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NASB | John 12:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 12:24 "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone [just one grain, never more]. But if it dies, it produces much grain and yields a harvest. |
Subject: Meaning of John 12:24-25 |
Bible Note: I protest, brothers, by my pride in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I DIE EVERY DAY! 1 Cor. 15:31 (ESV) (Emphasis added.) Angel: Let me begin by saying that the point of my previous post is that in 1 Corinthians 15:31, when Paul said "I die every day," he was speaking of literal, physical death and not a spiritual or symbolic death. Not saying you do this, but many quote this verse to make the point that we continually die to self. I am not disputing here that we die to self. I'm merely saying that this is not the meaning of 1 Corinthians 15:31. If one wishes to prove that we die daily TO SELF, this is not the verse to use. NASB Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. Spiritually (symbolically) speaking, Paul writes: "I have been crucified with Christ." "Have been crucified" -- past tense. Paul here is not teaching that we are in a continual process of BEING crucified. He says, "I have been crucified." Have been. Past tense. Not will be, might be, should be, am in the process of being -- I have already BEEN crucified. Col. 3:3 (ESV) For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. "You have died." Past tense. Paul again is saying we HAVE DIED. Not that we will die, might die, should die, are in the process of dying -- "YOU HAVE DIED". Romans 6:11 (ESV) "So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus." The key word here is "consider". Consider yourselves dead to sin. Col. 3:5 (ESV) Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. To summarize: In my previous Note I am not saying there is no longer any need to put to death what is earthly in you. I am merely saying that this is not the meaning of 1 Corinthians 15:31, where Paul speaks of literal, physical death and dying. In a separate Note, I will specifically address the questions you have asked. Once again I must say I appreciate your zeal for God and His Word. I look forward to your continued participation in the forum. Grace and shalom to you, kalos |