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NASB | John 12:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 12:24 "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone [just one grain, never more]. But if it dies, it produces much grain and yields a harvest. |
Subject: Meaning of John 12:24-25 |
Bible Note: Hi, kalos! I think you meant to post under my other response... Now, when responding to "me" I spoke of not necessarily being a physical death and you responded with: ""Every day I am in danger of death!"" ...are you saying that Christians in America leave under the constant fear of persecution and death? ...are you saying that our challenge is not of a struggle within (spirit vs. flesh) but without? ...are you saying that until we live under the threat of bodily injury or death we are not able to assimilate Christ metaphor of the seed dying in order to be productive? ...or are you saying that Jesus just meant that the disciples would experience that metaphor but that we are beyond it? Here's my complete post: "Hi, me! Minor was as they say "is on the money!" I want to add... our death is not necessarily a physical death. If we do not die to our old selves we cannot be Christ's disciples. This is a test that we face every single day of our lives. As society revolves, exponentially, about anti-Christian values we are called to witness to Christ. Our eternal life is dependent of our faithfulness to Christ, for as Minor said: if we deny Him, He will deny us in front of His Father! Nothing that we give up to serve Christ is anything compared to everything that Christ gave up for us, in order to rescue from our sinful state, when He incarnated into a body in the likeness of ours so that He may die in our stead! As we serve Him, faithfully, He gives us the power to be coheirs in the Kingdom of God! God Bless!" ...Where did I say that we are not to experience a physical death? ...better yet, did Jesus (John 12:24-25) say that we must experience a physical death before we can be His disciple? Jesus is speaking of giving up our past existence and incorporating ourselves to Him: the new (born again) man in Christ! This passage does not speak on Paul or the other disciple's physical suffering or death! Though I can see how Paul's actual sufferings, as well as Stephan and others, are in the same scope of dying for the Lord so that the Church may live and prosper! I do not mean to be disagreeable... perhaps if you were to introduce your post I could gain some sort of direction as to where you are pointing me. God Bless! Angel |