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NASB | Luke 9:23 ¶ And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 9:23 ¶ And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to follow Me [as My disciple], he must deny himself [set aside selfish interests], and take up his cross daily [expressing a willingness to endure whatever may come] and follow Me [believing in Me, conforming to My example in living and, if need be, suffering or perhaps dying because of faith in Me]. |
Subject: Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 |
Bible Note: Tim, while I have no wish whatever to unleash the election-free will issue into yet another full-blown debate, I nevertheless go on record as saying that, to my mind, the passage here (and corresponding passages in the other Gospels) make a poor case for the Calvinists' stand on election. Accordingly, I join you in holding to your option one, i.e., that in this passage Jesus is issuing an invitation to "anyone (who) wishes to come after Me." (verse 23). Jesus did, after all, "elect" to issue the invitation to "anyone.".... But I, Hank, do not hereby issue a blanket invitation to re-open this debate. I've read both sides of the issue that have been presented over and over on this forum about which I have myself heretofore been largely silent. But I do affirm, as I've stated before, that Jesus always said what He meant and meant what He said and certainly does so in these passages, using plain language that is abundantly clear. There are, admittedly, other texts in Scripture that one might use in support of the doctrine of election, but this hardly seems to be one of them. But, of course, this comes from one who is a mere Christian and not a theologian, and is not to say that a theologian can't be a Christian too, although in reading the ideas of some of these modern theologians, I've wondered where exactly they're coming from. --Hank |