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NASB | Luke 12:51 "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 12:51 "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division [between believers and unbelievers]; [Matt 10:34-36] |
Subject: Are we bringers of peace or division? |
Bible Note: I understand the context of the passages in question, Brian. I think that you have too quickly dismissed (or misunderstood) my point. For example, Jesus is indeed referring to the bringing of the gospel and how it will cause division, even within families. And Jesus is the one bringing this division, in His own words. You are also right about the context of Romans 12:18, but this particular verse is still talking about living with peace with all men as far as it depends on you. Please support your statement that one can replace "peace" in John 14:27 with "gift of salvation." You write: 'So, your last sentence, "How can we be both promoters of peace and present a gospel which has always served to divide people (as indeed Jesus Christ claimed to do) is wrong.' Actually, this was a question, not a sentence. I want the members of the forum to explore these passages with me to see if we can come to consensus on how we are to be peacemakers among men and at the same time proclaim a divisive gospel to men. Of course there is a biblical reconciliation of these two commands, but I think that it is important to highlight this in an age where people go to one extreme (using the gospel as some would use a machine gun) or the other (saying that we should not proclaim the gospel at all because it causes "unnecessary" division and strife). --Joe! |