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NASB | Matthew 6:9 ¶ "Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 6:9 ¶ "Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. [Luke 11:2-4] |
Subject: Are we to pray to the holy spirit? |
Bible Note: So we get to the heart of the matter, Ray. I fear that you have a view of the Trinity that is not shared by others on this forum, and that is why it can be so difficult discussing things like this with you. Your statement "God Himself cannot be divided", while true in a sense, misrepresents what the Bible teaches us of God. Deut. 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" But even this simple expression holds a not so simple reality. "Here O Israel, YHWH Elohim (plural form - 3 or more), YHWH echad (one, united - coumpound unity)" It is God Himself Who is Three Persons - Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Ray, there is no getting around this. Jesus was in the water, the Holy Spirit was descending through the air, and the Father was in heaven. Three Persons, three different locations, One God. Understand? I don't. But I accept it as true. The Bible teaches this plain as can be. Jesus prayed to the Father, and tells us to do them same. The Bible teaches a "division" if you will, of the Godhead. The Father, Son, and Spirit are the same God, and yet, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father. Even so, the "fulness of the Godhead dwelt bodily in Jesus". John, telling us Jesus' words, wrote in 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." He also wrote in 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." Each Person of the Trinity will live in us. Not that "God will indwell us", but that "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" will indwell us. Each Person of the Trinity has position and purpose that are not ascribed to the Others. The Spirit glorifies the Son. The Son serves the Father. Is this how you understand what the Bible teaches about God, or do you see things another way? Please tell us very plainly, and very simply, so that we can know where you stand. Thank you, Ray. Love in Christ, Mark |