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NASB | Obadiah 1:8 "Will I not on that day," declares the LORD, "Destroy wise men from Edom And understanding from the mountain of Esau? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Obadiah 1:8 "Will I not on that day," says the LORD, "Destroy the wise men from Edom [removing all wisdom] And understanding from the mountain of Esau? |
Subject: Does God plunge mortals into ignorance? |
Bible Note: Hello Reighnskye; You last stated: ”I guess what I'm trying to get at (or conversely understand better myself) is that an adult's rejection of the gospel is largely made via one's own earthly mind and mortal level of understanding.” ”Indeed all wisdom originates from God, both spiritual and earthly. Nonetheless, I personally tend to view the large majority of supposed conversions and/or rejections of the gospel as being made according to the earthly type of knowledge, wherein the volition is somewhat compromised due to lack of spiritual awareness.” You are right. It needs to be. God created us to be not only spiritual but physical as well. All of God’s dealings with man have occurred in the real physical world both in the OT and in the NT. His death was physical, so was His resurrection. His resurrected body was spiritual but also physical. His plan is to redeem creation (physical). When he originally created the world, including us, it was physical, “And behold it was very good” It is very difficult for people even Christians to understand the spiritual or eternity. So God reveals Himself physically (Jesus). And we respond according to the physical revelation. Our choice to follow Christ is based upon His interaction with us here in the real world; The question is whether we go beyond that to actually have a relationship with the Father Who is Spirit. Another factor influencing conversions/ or rejections of the gospel is how we Christians relate to each other. John 13:35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." How we love each other will determine if they see Christ or not. ”It is my personal perspective that the majority of religious conversions and/or rejections of the gospel are done on a shallow level of earthly psuedo-consciousness, thereby largely lacking any degree of eternal impact.” I would have to sadly agree with you here. It seems so few people who convert actually go further than what is commonly called “Fire insurance” level Christianity. They don’t grow into a real relationship with the living God and Creator, Jesus Christ that He originally created us for. I appreciate your posts. They have been quite refreshing and thought provoking. Thank you. Blessing to you Aaron |