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NASB | Daniel 7:25 'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Daniel 7:25 'He will speak words against the Most High [God] and wear down the saints of the Most High, and he will intend to change the times and the law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, [two] times, and half a time [three and one-half years]. [Rev 13:1-6] |
Subject: Does this make pretrib rapture unlikely |
Bible Note: I will admit to that unless we can prove that this one who is to come on the scene is warned about to the New Testament believers. Matthew throws a little more light on the subject when Jesus tells how the deceiver will come, when he talks about the mention of him in Daniel this is the key that it is for New Testament saint. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Paul speaks and warns believers of the same peril that is to come to believers. 2 Thes. 2:7-10 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. [8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Here it even says that the Lord’s coming is after this working of the great deceiver or wicked one. The believers are being troubled by the workings of Satan and the Lord will deal with him for it along with those that follow his antichrist. The timing is even explained to us in II Thess. 2 Thes. 1:7-10 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, [8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: [9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; [10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. It looks to me like the coming of the Lord for the destruction of the wicked occurs on the same day that the Lord will come for us at the rapture, when he will be glorified in his saints. A lot of people would like to put a seven year gap in here but that isn’t what it says. It happened the same way in Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot was taken out then WHAM, the Lord struck! The same thing happened in the days of Noah. The same day he went into the ark and was safe the rain started and the floods hit. Same situation will happen when we are removed into the Lord’s presence. This left behind stuff is all wishful thinking on somebody’s part with a vivid imagination. II Thess. 1:8 doesn’t sound like fun to me when it talks about with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: That looks pretty clear to me unless I’m missing something or are you saying that there is more then one coming? |