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NASB | Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knows if the spirit of man ascends upward and the spirit of the animal descends downward to the earth? |
Subject: where do animals go when they expire? |
Bible Note: Hi RC Thank you for your more detailed explanation. I cannot see how when the animals were made comes into the reckoning. Sin affected the whole creation. That is why it groans. I am pleased that you think dogs means Samaritans. At least you will not take the over-literalist line. (Although I would have thought Gentiles more likely than Samaritans) But I do not believe that Samaritans will all be excluded. It might be intended to be an expression covering all the sinners that are then described. But I actually do think that it is referring to dogs. The packs of dogs that roamed the streets of cities could be a nuisance and a curse (except when they licked your sores). Thus the point is that all that is a nuisance and a curse will be outside the city. I had an idea that the horses might come up. Do you really think that Jesus will come on a horse? Has it not struck you that John is writing in terms of the transport of that day. I do not think he would have spoken of a warhorse today. I must admit that I am not expecting Jesus to come on a horse. Elijah saw horses and chariots. I can't help feeling that if he had been alive today he would have seen tanks and armoured cars manned by angels. However it is not relevant. Heavenly horses would not come from earth. I do not agree with your interpretation of the 100 year old child, but we will leave that at present as it is not relevant. I also agree that the 'heavenly' (new heaven and new earth) state is in mind. But if there are animals there, and it is not just a picture of serenity and security, then there is no reason why they should include our pets. That was hardly in Isaiah's mind. So you want literal animals because it suits your case, but not literal dogs because it suits mine? Hmmmm.:-))) Well that is fine. But as you have heavenly horses, why not heavenly animals? Yes it is God's word. So we have to find out what He is saying and not what we would like Him to say. I would like to be able to prove that pets go to Heaven. It would sometimes be very useful pastorally. The trouble is that I cannot find it in Scripture. I intend to drop this subject now as I hope my position is clear. I do not want this to become a dispute. After all, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. In the end each of us must decide what the Scripure says for ourselves. (That is a good reformation principle :-))) ) In Him |