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84 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162822 | ||
Hi atdcross, I have only a couple of more questions for you. Consider the passage: Heb 12:6 FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." What do you think of the discipline of the Lord? Would we tend more to think of it as pleasure, or as suffering? My other question is this: Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, This verse tells us that God works all things after the counsel of His own will. Do you think that all things means all things, including those things that we call suffering? Love in Christ, Mark |
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85 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162824 | ||
Hi Atdcross, If we say that God sometimes causes suffering (what we call suffering, anyway), this does not automatically mean that we are saying that God causes all suffering. Love in Christ, Mark |
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86 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162827 | ||
Eph 1:11 in whom also we did obtain an inheritance, being foreordained according to the purpose of Him who the all things is working according to the counsel of His will, (Young's) Eph 1:11 in whom we also have been chosen to an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of the One working all things according to the counsel of His own will, (LITV) Eph 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, (ESV) Eph 1:11 in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; (ASV) Eph 1:11 in Him in whom also we were appointed by lot [or, obtained an inheritance], having been predestined according to the purpose [or, plan] of the One supernaturally working all [things] according to the counsel [or, intention] of His will, (Analytical/Literal) The phrase in question, "Who works all things" is "tou ta panta energountos", the key word being "energeo". Here is Thayer's Definition: 1) to be operative, be at work, put forth power 1a) to work for one, aid one 2) to effect 3) to display one’s activity, show one’s self operative This is Strong's: to be active, efficient: - do, (be) effectual (fervent), be mighty in, shew forth self, work (effectually in). Quite simply, this is "to work an original work". To say, "work out", we are saying "to take what has already been worked (as an original work) and change it, or manage it. I do not believe that is what this text is saying. God is in control, and that is good news to me! Love in Christ, Mark |
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87 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162830 | ||
Hi atdcross, I would like to tell you that while we may be at odds on this point, I appreciate the spirit and attitude you bring to the table. :-) I believe that God either directly causes, or specifically allows, all things that enter into a believer's life, whether they be "natural disasters", persecutions, consequences of sin, any of the ups and downs in life. I believe that many things that we think of as suffering are really the greatest blessings we receive. Many things we think of as blessings may actually be tests we fail, such as a monetary windfall which God actually wanted us to give for His work but we spent on our ease - we will know more in heaven. Love in Christ, Mark |
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88 | if you are saved are you always saved? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162832 | ||
Hi bmarshall, Welcome to the StudyBibleForum! If you enter the words "once saved" in the search box, you will find the many discussions that have taken place on this forum. I think you will find that this question really comes down to vocabulary, mostly. Look at the parable of the sower. Mt 13:20 "But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 "yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. This person 'receives the word with joy' - but not with faith and commitment - and does not continue, and is not saved. (this is my way of thinking of this). 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. John speaks of these people as appearing to be saved, but as time goes on, they depart, and reveal that they were never actually re-created. Some would say that a person is born again, and returns to sin, and loses their salvation. I myself do not believe that is a correct understanding, but consider this: there is really no difference to the final state of that person. I believe salvation is shown to be real and genuine when the person's life is transformed, when we turn from our sin and STAY turned. Simply put, if you are born again, you will forgive, and you will be forgiven. If you are not born again, even though you said a prayer or were submerged in the river, your heart does not forgive, and you are not forgiven. If you want a more technical answer, enter these post numbers in the 'search' box: 141170 and 141090. This will direct you to a particular thread on this discussion. I have also done an extensive study that is simply too large for this forum. I will email it for your review if you wish. markdseyler@yahoo.com I like the way my Pastor puts it: You are safe if you are abiding in Christ. He means it in that so long as you abide in Christ, you will not lose your salvation. I mean it in that so long as you are abiding in Christ, you know your rebirth is genuine. To the one who continues in sin, without the correction of the LORD, I warn - repent before it is too late. 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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89 | if you are saved are you always saved? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162834 | ||
Hi bmarshall, I have to apologize, 141090 is something else entirely, so ignore that one. There is the thread beginning 141016, or search by words. Let me know if you have further questions! :-) Love in Christ, Mark |
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90 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162840 | ||
Hi atdcross, Heb 12:10 For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we may share His holiness. Heb 12:11 All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. Persecution is the harsh treatment we receive from others because we follow Jesus. This discipline is what we receive from the hand of God our Father, to train us away from doing wrong. I don't know how this passage can be any more clear than it already is. He disciplines us. It seems sorrowful, but is for our betterment. Love in Christ, Mark |
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91 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162847 | ||
Hi atdcross, I hope I do not disappoint you, my friend! As I am looking at this more, I wonder that I could be wrong about this verse. So I will drop this passage from our current discussion until I have the chance to study it more. However, this does not change the other passages mentioned. I will be happy to return to those. Love in Christ, Mark |
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92 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162849 | ||
Hi atdcross, In Hebrew 12 vs. 5 the writer changes focus from persecution to discipline. Call to lay aside encumbrances and sin: 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, Jesus is our example, having endured all: Heb 12:2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. His example of enduring persecution Heb 12:3 Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. The example refined to what it cost Jesus: Heb 12:4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. Here the writer narrows the focus to what it cost Jesus, and away from where the suffering came from. The exhortation to sons: Heb 12:5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. That, and this. The writer brings in a second element. Before the "and", the writer is speaking of how we must put off our sin. We have not resisted against our sin as hard as Jesus persisted in the face of His persecution. After the "and", the writer now brings in a new thought. Heb 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." Heb 12:7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? You must resist against sin. The Lord is your Father, and will disciple you as needed. I maintain that this passage is not about persecution, although an example that involves persecution is used. It is about the setting aside of sin, and what your part is, and what God's part is. Love in Christ, mark |
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93 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162851 | ||
Hi Doc, Yes, Hebrews is a rather Hebrew book! ;-) I just don't think that any one of us is qualified to say of another, and oftentimes not even of ourselves, why we suffer, of why we don't. I expect a lot of surprise in heaven. There is an interesting parallel in James 5, "in anyone afflicted? He must pray. Is anyone sick? Let them call for the elders to pray for them" something like that. Disease is part of the curse, and I'm not saying that the Lord doesn't use it, but the kind of thing like you describe I find reprehensible (sp?), to tell the greiving widow he died because you didn't have faith???!!! My brother, have a great weekend, and I hope you are feeling better soon. I shall try to have great faith in your behalf! ;-) Love in Christ, Mark |
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94 | Jesus response | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 163021 | ||
Hi Noveta, I thing what Brad was saying is something like this: "You (the pharisees) already know, from your law (Psalms 82, Exodus 21,22) that mere men are sometimes called gods. Why then do you have such a negative reaction if I (Jesus) say I am the Son of God?" Does that help? Love in Christ, Mark |
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95 | Jesus responds | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 163023 | ||
Hi Noveta, This is such a good proof-text to the Diety of Christ because the Jews wanted to stone Jesus. They knew exactly what He was saying. Anytime someone tells you that Jesus never claimed to be God, just look at every time the Jews wanted to kill Him, it was because He claimed to be God. But as the Jews are reacting to Jesus' statements, Jesus is saying to them, in effect, "Now slow down a minute - you don't just stone someone for calling Himself God, until you know just what they mean, after all, the Scripture calls men "gods". So hear me out!" The Pharisees rejected Jesus claim to Godhood out of hand. The already believed that the Messiah would be a man, and not God come as Man, and they were not willing to believe anything different. When Jesus asked them later "Who's Son would the Messiah be?", He was trying to do the same thing. He wanted to shake their foundations, so they could see their error, and understand the truth. They rightly answers that the Messiah would be David's son. Jesus asked them why then did David call Him "Lord", if He was David's son? Jesus was trying to get them to look past their preconceptions, and to see their error, and to understand the truth. Again, I hope this helps Love in Christ, Mark |
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96 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 163059 | ||
Hi atdcross, As I survey Heb. 11, I find: By faith: We know God created everything. Abraham offered Isaac. Enoch was translated. Noah built the ark. Abraham left his home. Sarah conceived. Isaac blessed Jacob. Jacob blessed the sons of Joseph. Joseph gave orders for his bones. Moses was hid. Moses identified with the Hebrews. Moses left Egypt. ...kept the passover. ...passed through the Red Sea. The walls of Jericho fell. Rahab survived. Gideon prevailed. Barak prevailed. Samson prevailed. Jephthah prevailed. Kingdoms were subdued. Righteousness wrought. Promises obtained. Lion's mouth's stopped. Quenched fire. Escaped the sword. Were made strong. Dead raised. Others tortured. mockings and scourgings. Bonds and imprisonments. Were stoned. Sawn in two. Slain with the sword. Were destitute. Afflicted, tormented. 28 non-persecution examples. 9 persecution-related examples. To say that the primary characturization of the example of this chapter is the suffering of persecution ignores three fourths of the examples given. At the end of chapter 11, all are considered in the same group. "and these all, having obtained a good report through faith, did not receive the promise, for God had provided some better thing for us, that they should not be made perfect without us." They are all grouped together, then contrasted against the church, which has received a better covenant. This is the point of the book of Hebrews, a better covenant. Now we go to chapter 12. Seeing what they all went through, and considering the superiority of our covenant, (Therefore) let us lay aside every weight and sin. . . Verse three speaks of the "contradiction" of sinners against Jesus. This is not neccessarily persecution, but could also be opposition, hostility, or rebellion. Verse four specifically says "struggling against sin." This is not persecution. It is not a sin to be persecuted. Look back to verse one, the sin that so easily ensnares US. I do not agree with your exposition of this passage. Look back to Proverbs, which this writer is quoting: Proverbs 3:11-12 My son, do not despise the LORD's discipline or be weary of his reproof, (12) for the LORD reproves him whom he loves, as a father the son in whom he delights. There is no other context. This is a stand-alone statement. I think I am starting to go in circles on this topic. I really don't know what else I can add, so I would prefer to move on to something new. God bless you! Love in Christ, Mark |
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97 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 163066 | ||
Hi Atdcross, Is the parent that disciplines their child bad? Love in Christ, Mark |
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98 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 163093 | ||
Hi Atdcross, Let's back up a step before we talk about rape. You have said that "God does not bring suffering" (post 162232). In that you are "not against the concept of divine discipline", that is to say that you understand and agree that God will on occasion discipline His children as necessary? Is not discipline by nature what we would think of as painful (physically or otherwise), and is this not what the Bible portrays? (Heb 12 "He scourges every son He receives) Does not the use of "scourging" as an example of His discipline indicate what we would think of as severe suffering? Are God's hand's tied that He can only use suffering instigated at the hands of another (i.e. a criminal, or older brother) to bring discipline, or is God sovereign, restricted by no one, and can operate according to how He sees fit? Is not discipline a valid example of suffering, what we call suffering but actually for our good, coming direct from the hand of our God? Does this example not show that what is in our mind suffering is actually, in the eternal scheme, a blessing? What do you think? Love in Christ, Mark |
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99 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 163097 | ||
Hi Atdcross, Discipline is their perserverance? I would suggest that discipline is an adverse circumstance administered to produce a desired change. As a parent, I have wanted my children to suffer. I wanted them to suffer just enough to never try a particular behavior again. Did I prefer that they always did what was right? Of course! And I am certain that God prefers we simply obey. The the fact of the matter is that we don't obey, and in those times, God would be proving that He didn't love us if He didn't bring discipline, chastisement, scourging - yes, suffering - into our lives. When the Holy Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness for a 40 day fast, do you suppose Jesus suffered from He food deprivation? Whose idea was that? We call it suffering. The Bible calls it chastening, sancfitying, proving, and a host of others things. Just because it seems bad to us does not mean that it always is bad. It can hurt to heal. What kind of doctor would say "I'm not going to set your broken bone! Don't you know how much that would hurt? Better to let you be crippled!" Please do not misunderstand me. I do not believe that God inflicts suffering for the sake of watching us squirm! But I think the Bible is clear that suffering has a place in our development, and God would be remiss if He did not include it as needed. I will look forward to sharing discussion on other topics with you, and may God teach both of us if we are in error! God bless you my brother! Love in Christ, Mark |
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100 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 163102 | ||
Hi Atdcross, For my part, I will leave this thread with what I have already said. Love in Christ, Mark |
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