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81 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36849 | ||
continued... Yes we must do all that the Lord has commanded including being baptised or as Jesus said we are worshiping Him in Vain! Matthew 15 9And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men And Jesus said, Mark 16 15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned And that is exactly what the Apostles did on the Day of Pentacost. They preached the Gospel to them and they said Acts 2 37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit 41Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them and later we read that the Lord is the one who adds to the church. Verse 47 "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." No matter how hard anyone trys to take baptism out of salvation you still can't do it. Baptism is the thorn in the side of denominationalism. It always has been and always will be. Jesus said John 15 18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Just as God set up Laws in the Old Testement to live by the New Testment is our Law and its the only Law. No wonder Jesus said Matthew 7 13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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82 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36846 | ||
I sent the same message to Tim. Why does the majority of the religous world deny the scriptures concerning baptism? When it is so clear that a person would have to be blind not to see it and read it. The entire bible centers around mans obediance to the will of God. Obediance, does this word give you a sick feeling? Is it hard for a person of your status to humble himself to be obedient to the word of God? Lets look at examples in the Old Testament first of obediance to Gods will. Gen 6 we read that God was sorry that He ever made man and was going to destroy them. But Noah verse 8 found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Noah was commanded to build an ark that would hold his family food and the animals 7 clean and 2 unclean. But Noah was also commanded to use only Gopher wood. And we should thank God that he did or we might not be here today. And so you know the rest of the story. But the key word obediance is specefied in verses 6:22, 7:5, 7:9 and 7:16. Noah did as God commanded. Moveing on to Moses briefly, the construction of the tabernacle was extremly intricate. From Exodus 25-Exodus 31 the patteren for the tabernacle and priesthood was established. And God told Moses in verse 25:9 according to all that I show you, just so you make it. And from Ch. 35-39 the priesthood clothes and tabernacle funiture was made. And in Ch.39 it says concerning the construction of the tabernacle and all that was in them, ten times, Moses did according to all that the Lord had commanded him. Obediance to God is the only way to show our belief. And obediance is demanded of us. You say that we are given our salvation by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 Well I submit to you that God give Jericho to Joshua and and the people of Israel, but they still had to march around the city once for six days and seven times on the seventh. Obediance to God is what give them this victory. You remember the story of Naaman? He was commander of the army of the king of Syria. It says he was a great and honorable man and a mighty man of valor, but a leper. He went to see Elisha to be cleansed of the leprosy. He was told by a mesenger to go an wash in the river Jordan seven times. But wanting to have his way instead of Gods way, he wanted to substitute the rivers Abanah and Pharpar. He was furious because on the way to see Elisha he already had it figured out in his mind how he would make him well. He said, "Behold I thought". And then something was said to him by his servants, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do something great, would you not have done it?" So Naaman rethought his position, went and washed and was cleansed. We have to do as we are told when concerning the will of God. There can be no man made substitutions. Obediance to the will of God is the only way. By these few examples can you not see that we must do all that the Lord has commanded us. And it doesn't matter if it is only spoken one time. If it was not something that God did not want us to do or to know it wouldn't be in the bible. The sad thing about most denominational churches is according to their creed book one is saved by accepting or believing in Christ, nothing more, but to become a member of the their church they require baptism. Thus requiring more for one to become a member of their church than God requires of us to be saved! Its just not right! In Proverbs 14:12 we read: Proverbs 14 12There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. And if we look at the example of Nanab and Abihu we can see that only death can result in not doing as the Lord has commanded. Leviticus 10 2So fire went out from the LORD and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Also Moses who struck the rock instead of speak to it was told he would not enter the promised land. Numbers 20 12Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them to be continued...... Raven |
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83 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36845 | ||
Why does the majority of the religous world deny the scriptures concerning baptism? When it is so clear that a person would have to be blind not to see it and read it. The entire bible centers around mans obediance to the will of God. Obediance, does this word give you a sick feeling? Is it hard for a person of your status to humble himself to be obedient to the word of God? Lets look at examples in the Old Testament first of obediance to Gods will. Gen 6 we read that God was sorry that He ever made man and was going to destroy them. But Noah verse 8 found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Noah was commanded to build an ark that would hold his family food and the animals 7 clean and 2 unclean. But Noah was also commanded to use only Gopher wood. And we should thank God that he did or we might not be here today. And so you know the rest of the story. But the key word obediance is specefied in verses 6:22, 7:5, 7:9 and 7:16. Noah did as God commanded. Moveing on to Moses briefly, the construction of the tabernacle was extremly intricate. From Exodus 25-Exodus 31 the patteren for the tabernacle and priesthood was established. And God told Moses in verse 25:9 according to all that I show you, just so you make it. And from Ch. 35-39 the priesthood clothes and tabernacle funiture was made. And in Ch.39 it says concerning the construction of the tabernacle and all that was in them, ten times, Moses did according to all that the Lord had commanded him. Obediance to God is the only way to show our belief. And obediance is demanded of us. You say that we are given our salvation by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 Well I submit to you that God give Jericho to Joshua and and the people of Israel, but they still had to march around the city once for six days and seven times on the seventh. Obediance to God is what give them this victory. You remember the story of Naaman? He was commander of the army of the king of Syria. It says he was a great and honorable man and a mighty man of valor, but a leper. He went to see Elisha to be cleansed of the leprosy. He was told by a mesenger to go an wash in the river Jordan seven times. But wanting to have his way instead of Gods way, he wanted to substitute the rivers Abanah and Pharpar. He was furious because on the way to see Elisha he already had it figured out in his mind how he would make him well. He said, "Behold I thought". And then something was said to him by his servants, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do something great, would you not have done it?" So Naaman rethought his position, went and washed and was cleansed. We have to do as we are told when concerning the will of God. There can be no man made substitutions. Obediance to the will of God is the only way. By these few examples can you not see that we must do all that the Lord has commanded us. And it doesn't matter if it is only spoken one time. If it was not something that God did not want us to do or to know it wouldn't be in the bible. The sad thing about most denominational churches is according to their creed book one is saved by accepting or believing in Christ, nothing more, but to become a member of the their church they require baptism. Thus requiring more for one to become a member of their church than God requires of us to be saved! Its just not right! In Proverbs 14:12 we read: Proverbs 14 12There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. And if we look at the example of Nanab and Abihu we can see that only death can result in not doing as the Lord has commanded. Leviticus 10 2So fire went out from the LORD and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Also Moses who struck the rock instead of speak to it was told he would not enter the promised land. Numbers 20 12Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them to be continued.... Raven |
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84 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36681 | ||
Your welcome! If I can try and help you with another question please let me know. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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85 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36669 | ||
It is true that baptism without belief will not save. For why would a person be baptized if they believe not. Mark 16:16 says that he that does not believe will be condemed. It is not necessary to say "and not be baptized." And for death bed salvation, my answer would be that it is in Gods hands. But from the scripture we know that we must be baptized. Theres just no way around it. In Acts 8:35 when Philip was speaking to the eunuch it says "he preached Jesus to him" and when he understood and believed Philip baptized him. A person has a responsibility like the eunuch to find the truth and obey it before its to late. Please read the following scriptures. Mark 13 No One Knows the Day or Hour (6) 32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming--in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning-- 36lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!" Luke 17 The Coming of the Kingdom (3) 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21nor will they say, "See here!' or "See there!'[4] For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." 22Then He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23And they will say to you, "Look here!' or "Look there!'[5] Do not go after them or follow them. 24For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31"In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32Remember Lot's wife. 33Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."[6] 37And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together." (To clarify the two men in one bead is speaking of sick men in a sick bed. The Greek word used for bed in this context actualy means sick bead. Informations is from the Strongs Concordance.) Your life is a vapor. Make the most of it while you can. James 4 Do Not Boast About Tomorrow 13 Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will[1] go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit"; 14whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. 15Instead you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that." To sum it up theres only to things to ask about a person after they die to know if they are saved. 1. Did they obey the Gospel? 2. Did they live a Christian life? Hope this helps. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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86 | Speaking in tongues...not saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36485 | ||
I am sorry to offend you with my question. But it seemed like the original question Nedra had was answered. You wrote: (I don't see any mention of tongues, or baptism for that matter, in these or any other verse in scripture.) and I wrote: (Also read 1 Cor chapter 13 and 14. Chapter 13 says that tongues will cease along with other miracles when that which is perfect comes.) But you were the one my friend that ask: (Did you really mean to say that in addition to faith in Christ, we must be baptized before our salvation is recieved?) And in replying to that I looked at your profile because I thought it would help me to better understand where your question to me was coming from. If you didn't want anybody to read it you shouldn't have put it on there. I will be glad to look at Galatians with you. Give me a little time to write you back. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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87 | Speaking in tongues...not saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36456 | ||
Dear John, I hope you won't mind that I read your profile. I would like to know where the bible says that babys are lost or defiled from birth? And not this one: Romans 3 22even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[1] who believe. For there is no difference; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, for even it says those who believe. And we know that babys can not believe for they do not understand. The whole scheme of redemption is based on a person coming to the undserstanding that they are a sinner and therefore submiting to God thru Repentance, Confession and Baptism. And if for example we use this to prove yours and Calvin's point then this verse would seem to say that Heaven is full of sinners. Mark 10 Jesus Blesses Little Children (1) 13 Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them. 14But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. 15Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it." You see children are not held accountable for anything untill they are accountable for their actions and understand. Which is another question, where does the bible mention sprinkling babies when their born? The word baptize means to emerse. Nowhere is there a scripture that confirms this act on babies. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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88 | Speaking in tongues...not saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36435 | ||
Yes I give you a scripture that says that and I believe it because it is in the bible. I am sorry that you do not. Perhaps you should also read Mark 16:16 and John 3:1-5. Also remember John 14:15. And before you write back and give me Ephesians 2:8 to read, I have already read it and I believe that also. It is by the grace of God that He sent His only Son to die for our sins. But faith alone does not save us,its conditional. If I told you that you have won a million dollars but you got to come to me to recieve it, you dont have it until you do and that is fact. You can't see it, you can't spend it and you can't benefit from it unless you do as I say. Have you not read James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! and James 2 Faith Without Works Is Dead (1) 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Perhaps this is whay Jesus said: Mark 7:7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' You can't dispute what the bible says no matter how hard you try. Picking and choosing certain scriptures to make a point. 2 Timothy 3 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. It says "ALL" scripture. But some want to take out and add want they want and you cant do that and expect to be saved! Revelation 22 A Warning 18 For[1] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[2] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[3] his part from the Book[4] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Each of us has to put aside our feelings and submit to the Father and do his will. Matt 7:21 And the way to the Father is thru Jesus Christ John 14:6 The bible warns us but we have to read it and accept it. Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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89 | bible study of thessalonian chapter two | 1 Thessalonians | RAVEN | 36305 | ||
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90 | The sinless sacrifice; He is holy | Heb 7:27 | RAVEN | 35701 | ||
I am not sure of the question you are asking but I will give you briefly what information I know about the two versions. The NKJV is derived from the 1611 authorized version. It was written to bridge the gap with the changes of the English language. I have a KNJV and from the preface it also seems that time was also spent reviewing some of the manuscripts of the Septuagint (Greek)of the Old Testament and the Latin Vulgate as well as manuscripts from the Dead Sea Caves. I know even less about the NASB because I do not own one though I would like to. The NASB has taken the research one step further in that besides reviewing all of the above resources it went back to the earliest recorded documents we have of the bible and retranslated them. These two versions and the 1611 KJV are by far the mosty acurate translations of the bible. As for the verse you ask about it says if you read in context: KNJV Hebrews 7 Greatness of the New Priest 20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21(for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: "The LORD has sworn And will not relent, "You are a priest forever[1] According to the order of Melchizedek"'),[2] 22by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant. 23Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. 26For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever. Verse 26 where it says "For such a High Priest was fitting for us," this is speaking of Jesus and thus it should be capitalized. This is my opinion though. And since the NASB doesn't capitalize it then I guess they know something I don't. But it really doesn't matter because the context of the scripture is not changed. Now for the other scripture you cited, verse 27 reads "who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins". Again if you read this in context you can see that this is speaking about Jesus. If you are questioning if this is saying Jesus sinned then you are not clear on the understanding of the scripture. This verse is saying unlike the priest of old who had sins and had to cleanes themselves first before they could offer up sacrifice for the rest, Christ had NO sin for it says: Hebrews 4 15For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. If I have taken your question the wrong way please reply so that maybe I can give you a better answer. Raven |
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91 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | RAVEN | 34842 | ||
Joe, I would like to say that your feelings about drinking have been noted. But I would also like to say that I did say what has upset you so. It was the inspired word of God, the bible. So I guess you better take it up with the Him. Raven |
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92 | Please clarify your statement | Matt 26:29 | RAVEN | 34830 | ||
I never said regenerate. This is the culminating act of a contrite heart to accept the will of God and be obedient to that will. And if you had read my note I said that the water is not literally the blood. I know that water is just water, but it's what we are commanded to do. 1 Peter 3 21There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Mark 16 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Notice the conjunction "and". There is no conversion in the new testement that shows a person that merly believes, without entering into that watery grave of baptisim, being saved. Jesus said this about those just believe. Matthew 7 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' Jesus said if you hear what He says, its not enough but you must also do them. Matthew 7 24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: And Jesus said if you reject what He says you have rejected what God said. John 12 42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. 44Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. 45And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. 46I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. 47And if anyone hears My words and does not believe,[1] I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him--the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak." And Jesus said "He that believes and is baptized" In the book of Acts I have counted 9 different conversions and all of them include baptism. If you don't believe me read it for yourself. You see the problem with the religious world today is man wants to have his way. Liberalism is killing the church. But thats not Gods way. God wants us to be joined in like faith. 1 Cor 1:10 But everytime you put mans way against Gods way, man will have his way everytime. Man doesn't want Gods way, never has. But there has always been that reimnant like in Noahs day when 8 souls where saved. This might hit you hard but for the most part I don't give opinions, I just give scripture and you can believe it or not! And most don't believe it. Whens the last time you thought about how many different denominational churches there are? And then wonder was Christ church a denomination? Of course it wasn't! But man had his way, and now look theres a church for every kind religion you want. Any feel good measage you want to spread, theres a denomination that can accomidate. And if that one does't give you the warm an fuzzy feeling your looking for, then try another, theres hundreds. But its not Gods way. God said, Ephesians 4 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you[1] all. The body in this scripture is the church. Colossians 1 17And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. So it is with baptism. Mans way has perverted it, with sprinkling, pouring and dipping. No where in the bible does it say to be sprinkled, poured or dipped. But man had his way. And you said that you don't believe that baptism is essential. Then let me leave you with this parting scripture. Proverbs 28 26He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered. |
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93 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | RAVEN | 34673 | ||
Thank you for replying in such a positive way. And you are right Christians do not consider the thought of giving up alcohol. It is not even a factor. I used to drink a Magarita once or twice a year. And I never got drunk. And I also considered myself a good person with good morals who believed in God and in Jesus Christ as my savior. But I was not a Christian, and I knew it. But as of January 23, 2000 I obeyed they gospel and came in contact with the blood of Christ through baptism and became a Christian and have never looked back. Remember what happened to Lots wife when she looked back? A Christian doesn't have to look back because those sins are in the past and have been forgiven. And as 1John 1:7 says if we continue to walk in the light the blood of Christ cleanses us. There is no room for spliting hairs when it comes to the truth. Either you believe the bible and obey it or you don't. One of the most beautiful verses in the bible says Psalm 37:23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD, And He delights in his way. Thanks again for writing and I hope we can agree again on another topic. Raven |
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94 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | RAVEN | 34653 | ||
Romans 14 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. The scripture Matt 11:1 that you use in defense proves only what others said about Jesus not what Jesus said about Himself. There were many other accusations made also that were untrue. Read again, it says "and they say". A line has been drawn in the sand and we as Christians should stay away from it and not even get close to it. When you say drink in moderation, how does this look to your other christian or non-christian friends. Suppose they see you do it and then they do it and have a problem with controling it. Then because of your actions you have caused someone to fall (sin). Matthew 18 Jesus Warns of Offenses * "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! The above scripture that says "little ones" is not refering to a child as we think of a child but it means children of God, for it says they believe. Its used the same way in 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. Now back to the subject.... You have to accept that Jesus was pure and did nothing wrong and would never have contributed to the wrong doing of one of His followers. 1 Peter 2 "Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth"; If you belive as you have stated that Jesus drank wine in its alcholic form then you have just blown the whole plan of salvation. Habakkuk 2 "Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbor, Pressing him to your bottle, Even to make him drunk, That you may look on his nakedness! As I stated the last time the bible does not contradict itself. So therefore we cannot take the scriptures and twist them to fit the lifestyle we want. We must conform to it, not the other way around. 2 Timothy 3 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work |
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