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21 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 51035 | ||
Hello Steve, And...and you are saying then that God literaly chooses certain people and others He destins to burn in Hell? Is this correct? Now before you write back answer the above question first. Then while you are writing read; John 3 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 2 Peter 3 9The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[1] not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. Matthew 11 28Come to Me, ALL you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. I use the next verse to show that it works both ways with God Luke 13 3I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will ALL likewise perish. Acts 2 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and LET EVERY ONE OF YOU be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. And there are many more. And my last question to you is how can you put these verses into your belief that God draws us to Himself. These verses show that a person must be "willing" not under mind manipulation. The only way God draws us is by reading His word. Romans 10 17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Raven |
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22 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 51020 | ||
Tim, You write:What role does 'works' play in our salvation, none in accomplishing our salvation. However, once we are saved, then we will 'work' and be obedient to God's commands - such as baptism. So basically what you are saying is God owes it to us to save us? You said, "once we are saved, then we will 'work". My friend I am not trying to twist your words but you make it sound like before you do anything for the Lord He's going to have to save you first. Friend it never has worked this way and never will. God has given to us all He is going to. The Gospel and a meens to accept it and we have to go to Him and accept it. God doesn't come down from Heaven and pick you, you have to pick God, by repenting, confessing, and being baptized. Only then will the Lord add you to His church. Remember Tim I am not saying that I can acumulte merit badges by doing different works. These works I am speaking of are things that are required. Just as in the Old Testament didn't the High Priest once a year have to offer a sacrifice, once for himself and once for the rest of the people? Could he have just offered one sacrifice for everybody and that be acceptable? No. There are guide lines that God has set forth in His word that we must comply with. Baptism is the culminating act that shows our obedience to God. You cannot expect to be saved without first being baptized. Romans 6 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so WE ALSO SHOULD WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE. This is after we are baptized. 'knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8Now IF WE DIED WITH CHRIST, we believe that we shall also live with Him,' We die with Christ through Baptism, there is no other way. Raven |
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23 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50990 | ||
Hello Steve, I am not denying Ephesians 2:8-9. To do that I would be saying this is not an inspired scripture. I wrote to Tim in his responce to me that "faith only" saves. And I will ask that you read that and also as I have ask Tim to read James 2. You see I am not saying that baptism and works saves us alone. I am saying that by the GRACE of God He made know to us thru His Holy scriptures the gospel of Christ that we must have FAITH in Him and by the OBEDIENCE of FAITH (Rom 1:5,16:26) in BAPTISM (Eph 4:5,Col 2:12)which is a WORK of FAITH (James 2:22)we can be SAVED. You see instead of only taking in what you said "handful of passages" I am trying to follow all scriptures. Jesus said,"teaching them to observe ALL things" Matt. 28:20 I hope this has helped with your question. Raven |
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24 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50978 | ||
Hey Tim, You wrote:Does Scripture command Baptism? Yes! Is Baptism important? Yes! Does one need to be baptized in order to be saved? No! The clearest Scripture of all is Eph. 2:8-9. Faith alone saves, not works. Does Scripture command Baptism? Yes! Is Baptism important? Yes! Does one need to be baptized in order to be saved? Yes! James 2 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? James 2 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. If we go only with Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved" then the above scriptures would contradict because they show that works are needed. Not works as doing good deeds but obedient works that submit to the gospel. The bible cannot contradict itself. If it does then it would not be inspired. We need to take all scriptures and apply them to our lives. Read all of James 2. 1 Peter 3 21There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, This is what baptism is, an answer. Jesus said in Matt 11:28 "Come unto me all who are weak and heavy laden, and I will give you rest." But to do that we must answer,we must submit in the obedience to the faith by being baptized for remission of sins. It's simple and it's clear, won't you do it today? Raven |
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25 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50898 | ||
Hello Tim, You wrote,The simple fact is that there are more statments in the Bible which support that baptism is not essential to salvation. One could ask the quesiton, why don't you hear them? By this then you would admit that some scriptures point to the need for baptism. Right? My friend God only has to say it once. And if its a command we better do it. Raven |
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26 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50645 | ||
Hello Justme, I will try to answer with grace and love as I have been instructed by the Lockman Foundation. It seems my answers that I give directly from the bible have offended someone and I have been put on notice. You wrote:I have no problem with baptism being proof of the fact you have repented and are now saved. In fact when ever someone refuses to, then that is evidence that salvation has not really happened. Would we be together so far? I sense that you have a very open mind and are truley wanting to learn about what I am speaking. Lets look at Acts 2:38. I know tired old Acts 2:38. But since its in the bible we have to address it. Acts 2 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. After reading this one must keep in mind the question from Acts 2:37. "What must we do to be saved?" Remember it says that these men that Peter preached to were "devout men, from every nation under heaven." Acts 2:5 And after being preached to "they were cut to the heart". Acts 2:37 They belived! They had faith! They knew Jesus was the Christ, but still they ask "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" And Peter told them. The "for" in the verse is the pivitol point in the verse where many jump ship. They were told to "do" something to receive something. For the remission of sins. Its the same way everyday of our lives, we work for pay for example. We don't get paid if we don't work. So I would have to say that we are not in agreement yet. You see baptism is not done because a person has been saved, its done to be saved. You wrote:The only issue I question is the final judge is of course is Jesus Christ. Right? Yes, we agree. You wrote:However I am willing to share Christ with some one who is quite near death and let the Lord make the judgement call on if that person is welcome or is to be departed to eternal punishment. A person has their entire life to obey the gospel. Jesus has set forth in his commands how we are to contact that saving grace. If we refuse to do that, He will refuse us. I was told a story about a man that was drowning and a man cast him a rope but the man refused to grab it. The people ask why did he drown? The man answered because he wouldn't grab the rope. Wrong, he would have drown even if there were no rope. Its the same way with sin, people are in sin and they gospel has to accepted. You wrote:I personally allow God to show mercy to whomever He so desires. God shows His grace and mercy to every one who opens up and reads the bible. The bible itself is the grace of God. 2 Peter 3 9The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[1] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. I hope this has helped :). Raven |
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27 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50587 | ||
Hello Justme, If the lady you speak of did not obey the gospel, be buried with the Lord in baptism and worship in a manner that is pleasing to God then God would have no choice to condem her. Think of it like this, when Adam and Eve were in the garden before sin that was grace that God even created them. Then because of man stubborn will they sinned and were cast out of the garden. Genesis 3:15 was basically as we know it from the bible when God set the plan of salvation in motion. That was grace also to give sinful man a second chance. The difference though is that it is conditional. We must do as God says or else. God sent His Son for the whole of humanity. That is a price no one could pay but him. You better believe it's conditional! If you were a bad student in school and the school had all they were going to take from you and exspelled you then you are out. But what if your parents plead your case and they let you come back, but this time its under certain conditions. We have to accept the conditions that God has set forth in His word to be admitted to that Heavenly home. After we die its up to God to judge. Hebrews 9 27And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, I hope this has answered your question and also that you do not think that I am being mean hateful toward you. The bible is open to all, we just have to obey it. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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28 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50489 | ||
I am nobody. Martin Luther was nobody. The God Almighty has finished the bible. There is no more to be added. All man can do now is read the bible and obey it. I am sorry that you feel I am harsh but I can only say what the bible says. You can not pour sugar on it and make it taste better. I will try to do better for you :) Raven |
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29 | Why Didn't Paul and Jesus Baptize? | 1 Cor 1:17 | RAVEN | 50485 | ||
The people at Corinth were unlearned of the Gospel. If Paul would have went in preaching and not explained to them who he was speaking of they would say that they were baptized in the name of Paul. 1 Corinthians 3 Sectarianism Is Carnal Jesus Christ Is the Only Foundation 1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? Watering, Working, Warning 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. Remeber the gospel brings people to baptism. Its the answer of a good conscience.1 Peter 3:21 Raven |
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30 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50478 | ||
Dear Justme, I am glad that we can continue our discussion. You wrote:If we carry your thinking then shouln not women be silent and in this foeum find out id we are addressing a man, and not instruct him? No, not altogether. This passage in the bible that you refer to is addressing the matter of worship not discussion. 1 Corinthians 14 34Let your[1] women keep silent in the churches, also 1 Timothy 2 12And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. Women fill a very important roll in the church. They teach the children, keep in touch with the shut-ins and also coordinate any activity that will take place on the church grounds etc. Women are just not to take a leadership role in worship service. Examples would be preaching where capable men are present, song leading, and leading a prayer. You wrote:In all sincerity, what about the thief on the cross? I get the question a lot. Jesus had not yet died. Therefore He had not been raised either. By all rights the thief on the cross was still under the Mosaic Law. But because Jesus was not yet dead He could see the mans heart and new he had repented of his deeds, so Jesus did for him just as He did for all the others before He died who believed on Him, He forgave him and the scriptures say took him to paradise. Luke 23:43 You wrote:Also I once visited a lady in a cancer ward. she was near death, she praid to repant of her sins, and asked Christ to be her Lord. She died quite soon after. What happened to her soul? It is hard for someone to accept it when a person dies. They see the person in pain and feel that God will soon take them and their pain will be all over and they will go to be with the Lord. But the bible teaches that for a person to receive that crown of glory they must be obedient to the faith (Rom 16:8) and observe all things that Jesus taught (Matt 28:20)if this was not the case then its to late. You wrote:Our pastor sprinkled her as a sign of what baptism is. He made it clear it was not baptism, but she had some peace. Baptism as you know means to be emersed. The bible says we are BURIED with our Lord in Baptism. Romans 6 4Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Colossians 2 12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. Sprinkling water on someone is no more concidered baptism than if you sprinkle a few grains of sand on a casket and call them buried. This act that your pastor did was not scriptual for one, and merly while she was still alive gave her some peace. But by no means did it constitute her being saved from her sins. For not only is baptism scriptual it has to be administerd scriptual. And that means "for the remission of sins" I hope I have answered your questions and also I hope we can discuss future questions as well. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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31 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50391 | ||
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32 | God knows everything Why except the date | John 10:30 | RAVEN | 50390 | ||
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33 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50389 | ||
Ok then answer this and I will rest. Do you believe baptism for the remission of sins is essential to being saved? The bible teaches it. And these are the kinds of works I am refering to. Raven |
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34 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50382 | ||
The church has always been since it was established. Though it may have been small and partly crushed due to Roman rule. You wrote, "The "Scripture" Paul was referring to here is the OLD Testament." Are you saying that the New Testament is not inspired. Joe it did not say Old Testament only, it said "ALL". Joe are you under the old or the new Testaments? Which one? Give an answer? The bible use many references from new to old and prophecies from old to new. But the church was established in the NEW! Just because God aloud something doesn't mean that is the way He wanted it. Case in point DIVORCE! Matthew 19 8He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. Raven |
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35 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50380 | ||
First Justme, I would ask, who is Martin Luther? Are you speaking of the "man" that started the Lutherian church? John 3:16, tell me if you "believe" "trust" "love" someone, would you not believe all their teachings? To answer your last question, I cannot judge, but two questions will be ask about you when you die. Did you obey the gospel of Christ? And did you live the Christian life? If either of these are no then I am sorry for nothing more can be done for you. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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36 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50372 | ||
Hello Justme, The things that I write in this forum, I try to give scriptual backings to everything I say. If not, it would be just me talking. The church of Christ which I am a member has only one purpose. And that is to glorify God by preaching His word to all. Which would be probably what you would say most churches try to do? But the conflict that I run into on this forum, is that no one wants all of what the bible says. Why do you suppose that is? Why can't people accept that Jesus told His disciples "repentance and remission of sins shall be preached in My name beginning at Jerusalem"?(Matt 28:19-20) Why when the Apostles were ask in Acts 2:37 "what shall we do?" and in Acts 2:38 the Apostles responded "repent and be baptised for the remission of sins" can people not believe it? Can you just answer why do most people on this forum not believe baptism is essential to being saved? Jesus commanded it?(Matt 28:19-20,Mark 16:15-16) Your friend, Raven |
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37 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50364 | ||
I give up. Though I do not agree with you because the case stands that the man of God will follow all the teachings of the bible not just the ones they can twist into their scheme of redemption!! Matthew 28 19Go therefore[1] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen Raven |
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38 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50363 | ||
Hello Hank, You really are blind to this aren't you? You wrote "Raven, how do you fit these clear-as-crystal verses, among others such as Joe cited, into your salvation equals faith plus works equation?" Can't you see that it is you who are trying to take away from the bible by not submitting to all of it? James 2 22DO YOU SEE THAT FAITH WAS WORKING TOGETHER WITH HIS WORKS, AND BY WORKS FAITH WAS MADE PERFECT? You have to accept it all Hank for "faith" to be valed. Raven |
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39 | God knows everything Why except the date | John 10:30 | RAVEN | 50295 | ||
I read this note and was wondering if you might be a member of the Lord's church? Your name was given to me by Mike Riley who has also read your notes in the forum. I look forward to hear from you. Raven |
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40 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50285 | ||
Good note!! Very good indeed!! Of course Jesus Christ was of no denomination. He infact was the chief cornerstone on which the church stands! Ephesians 2 Christ Our Cornerstone 19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, Raven |
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