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81 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64451 | ||
I would be interested in reading your post previous to the one dated 4/11. James 5:19,20 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. If one strays from the truth doesn't this mean that he/she obeyed at some point? James calls them a sinner, in error, and if one turns them back to the truth they will save his/her soul. Sounds like salvation can be lost to me. 2 Peter 3:17,18 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Peter is talking to Christians here. 2 Peter 1:1 says, "...To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ". Why should Christians be on their guard? Their salvation is guaranteed, isn't it? Then why does he say they could "fall from their own steadfastness"? |
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82 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64450 | ||
Hank and all who are interested. I will be responding by pulling pertinent information from the post I debated and following it up with a rebut. 1. Jesus emphatically pointed this out in the Gospel of John when, in reference to believers, He said, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand..." (John 10:28). In this passage, Christ explicitly declared that no one who has received eternal life will ever lose it. The last sentence here states something Jesus never said. John 10:28,29 say, "and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." The key phrases here are “neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand” and “and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.” These two phrases introduce a 3rd person, not the individual Christian (ANYONE SNATCH THEM, NO ONE SNATCH THEM). I will agree that if I am a Christian and pattern my life after Christ that no one, if I am faithful and strong, can pull me away from my faith. This does not mean that I myself cannot become weak and fall back into worldly living. Do you see the difference? 2. The writer refers to 1 Peter 1:5. Verses 3 to 5 state, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." Just a few comments here. The first phrase in question is, "according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again". What did Jesus say to Nicodemus? "Unless one is born again (of water and spirit), he cannot enter the kingdom of God. (Jn 3:3,5) Yep, you guessed it, BAPTISM! The second phrase, "to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you." I do not dispute this. The inheritance is imperishable, undefiled, it will not fade away. It will always be there, FOR THOSE THAT OBEY THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD! Jesus said, "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you." Jesus commanded his (11) disciples to make more disciples. How? By baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and then also teaching them to observe ALL things that he commanded them. If Jesus commanded his apostles to baptize they would in turn have to teach those taught to baptize. Something that was never had in the beginning cannot be lost. Until a person is baptized salvation is not had to be lost. Hank, you asked me, "Since half the post contains direct quotations from Scripture itself, your comment leans toward the reckless and illogical, don't you think? The post contains biblical references but not the passage. Only this persons assessment of the passages. Statements like, "You see, while "once saved, always saved" is true from God's perspective, man only looks at the outward appearance and thus cannot always accurately assess who is really saved in the first place." How does this person know God's perspective? How does this person know any man's perspective but his own? Doesn't this lean toward reckless and illogical? |
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83 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64444 | ||
Dear justme, I have posted some personal history for your enjoyment. I don't know how to find a post # yet so I had to paste in an earlier response I made dealing with baptism. Thank you for your encouraging words. How can the bible contradict itself? John the "baptist" was to prepare the way for Jesus. His baptism was one of repentance. Jesus was baptized himself whether he needed it or not. What did he say to John when John refused, "Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Jesus spoke of being born of the water and the spirit to Nicodemus. He commanded his apostles to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the F, the S, and the HS..." Acts chapter 2, "what must we do to be saved?" Answer, "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sin". Later in the chapter, vs 41, "Then those that gladly received his word were baptized and that day about 3000 souls were added to them." It doesn't say that about 3000 souls were added to them, and THEN they were baptized, but they were baptized first, and then added to those who were saved. Again in verse 47, "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." The Ethiopian eunuch asked, "See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?" The conversion of Saul is another example. In his vision the Lord instructed him to go to Damascus and he would be told what he must do. What did Ananias say, "And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.' (Acts 22:16) This is clear evidence that baptism is necessary for removal of sin. Cornelius' household were commanded to be baptized by Peter.(Acts 10:48) Acts 16:14,15 tells of Lydia and how "The Lord opened her heart to HEED the things spoken by Paul. She heeded by being baptized, vs 15. Acts 16:33, the Philippian Jailor, "...immediately he and all his family were baptized." Romans 6:3, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Galatians 3:27, how can anyone deny the importance of such a simple request, "repent AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS." The formula for salvation is found in Jesus Christ. He has prescribed baptism, immersion in water, as a remedy for the removal of sin. He commanded his apostles to do it in order to make more disciples. How can he be denied? Yes, we are saved by God's grace, but within this grace is the command to be baptized. There is no argument that will nullify this. There is too much biblical evidence to support the importance of it. |
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84 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64432 | ||
Give me an example? No sin is "small, tiny little itty-bitty" because all sin separates us from God. If I commit a sin and am ignorant of it, which is possible, how would God handle this? Maybe He would judge my heart and know that there was a lack of intent. Hebrews 9:7 says, "but into the second, only the high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance". Verse 14 says, "how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" Hebrews 9:15, "For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance." I have an advocate in my Lord Jesus Christ and I trust that his blood will cover those sins I commit and repent of as well as those I may commit and am ignorant of. |
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85 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64431 | ||
How can the bible contradict itself? John the "baptist" was to prepare the way for Jesus. His baptism was one of repentance. Jesus was baptized himself whether he needed it or not. What did he say to John when John refused, "Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Jesus spoke of being born of the water and the spirit to Nicodemus. He commanded his apostles to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the F, the S, and the HS..." Acts chapter 2, "what must we do to be saved?" Answer, "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sin". Later in the chapter, vs 41, "Then those that gladly received his word were baptized and that day about 3000 souls were added to them." It doesn't say that about 3000 souls were added to them, and THEN they were baptized, but they were baptized first, and then added to those who were saved. Again in verse 47, "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." The Ethiopian eunuch asked, "See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?" The conversion of Saul is another example. In his vision the Lord instructed him to go to Damascus and he would be told what he must do. What did Ananias say, "And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.' (Acts 22:16) This is clear evidence that baptism is necessary for removal of sin. Cornelius' household were commanded to be baptized by Peter.(Acts 10:48) Acts 16:14,15 tells of Lydia and how "The Lord opened her heart to HEED the things spoken by Paul. She heeded by being baptized, vs 15. Acts 16:33, the Philippian Jailor, "...immediately he and all his family were baptized." Romans 6:3, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Galatians 3:27, how can anyone deny the importance of such a simple request, "repent AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS." The formula for salvation is found in Jesus Christ. He has prescribed baptism, immersion in water, as a remedy for the removal of sin. He commanded his apostles to do it in order to make more disciples. How can he be denied? Yes, we are saved by God's grace, but within this grace is the command to be baptized. There is no argument that will nullify this. There is too much biblical evidence to support the importance of it. |
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86 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64427 | ||
I appreciate your concern Hank and have read the information. My desire is to teach the truth from the bible as it is written. I will make every attempt to use scripture to support my position rather than opinion. If the Lockman Foundation decides that "speak(ing) the things which are fitting for sound doctrine" (Titus 2:1) from God's word is "Pushing ones own personal and denominational views" I am sure they will let me know. I have been exposed to many different "doctrines" in my experience as a Christian and have found that all of them are a result of a man, or men, twisting what was God breathed to the holy Apostles and written down by these or other men inspired of God. When a person or persons make difficult that which is so simple by design with regards to obedience and worship to God, they nullify the words of Jesus when he said, "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." (Mt 11:28-30) | ||||||
87 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64418 | ||
Thank you for the clarification but if I am a believer how does the word "regenerate" come into play? I am familiar with the discourse with Nicodemus. What was Jesus talking about with him when he said, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God"? |
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88 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64411 | ||
Jude 1:3 "Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints." I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I have repented of my past life and have been "immersed" into the death of Christ for the remission of my sin. I now "contend earnestly for the faith" which according to Jude was "once for all handed down to the saints". Does this make me perfect? Of course not. But when I falter I have faith (1 John 1:9) that if I confess my sin and "earnestly" strive to repent of it, I will be forgiven. Luke 17:3,4 "Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' forgive him." Matthew 18:21 "Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" 22 Jesus *said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. If we are to do this for a repentant brother how much more will our Father in heaven do it for a repentant child? |
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89 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64410 | ||
Acts 2:13 "'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;" 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." If God's plan only includes a select "elect" what purpose does Jesus serve? If it has already been predetermined by God who will and who will not be saved why the entire book of books? God could have written this plan in one sentence! How does one know if he/she belongs to the elect and if this knowledge is possible why obey the gospel of Christ if no matter what you do you cannot change your destiny? Calvinism just DOES NOT make sense in the grand scheme of things. |
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90 | What do Catholics teach about salvation? | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64409 | ||
But wouldn't it always refer to immersion? In 1 Peter 3:20, Peter reminds his audience of Noah by saying, "...in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water." He then says that there is an antitype which now saves us, namely baptism (immersion). What is an antitype? Dictionary.com defines it as, "One that is foreshadowed by or identified with an earlier symbol or type, such as a figure in the New Testament who has a counterpart in the Old Testament." and "a person or thing represented or foreshadowed by a type or symbol; especially a figure in the Old Testament having a counterpart in the New Testament." So what we have is Noah and his seven relatives being saved by water, as now we are saved by water. Baptism (immersion) in water for the remission of sin puts us in touch with the death of Christ. Romans 6:4, "Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life." (Note: this passage in Romans also refutes sprinkling or pouring as a means of being baptized. We must be buried, immersed!) Baptism (immersion) in water is not for the purpose of cleaning our flesh but of cleaning our conscience from the sin we have realized we are guilty of. Peter IS referring to water baptism (immersion) here. |
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91 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64405 | ||
I can KNOW I am saved by doing the things the bible tells me I have to do to be saved. Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The sequence of events in the above passage are as follows: 1. These people heard Peter's sermon so in response to what he said they believed and were "pricked in their hearts" resulting in the question, "What MUST we do to be SAVED?". 2. Peter's response is a) REPENT, b) BE BAPTIZED c)for FORGIVENESS OF SIN and THEN, d) you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. You quote a scripture (Romans 8:5-9) written by Paul. He is speaking to those who have already received salvation by responding to the gospel, in other words they are CHRISTIANS. Ephesians 4:4-6 says, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. 1 Cor 12:13 says, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit." Colossians 1:18 says, "He is also head of the body, the church;" My point is there is only one body and that body is the church, the CHURCH OF CHRIST. The only theology in the New Testament is that of the church of Christ. My goal is to learn the truth of this theology and spread it. I agree with you that the Holy Spirit acts on hearts that are willing to receive the gospel of truth, but that action does not save a person, only obedience to the commandments of God, through Jesus, accomplish this. |
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92 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64400 | ||
What is a regenerate believer? |
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93 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64399 | ||
First of all I would add 4)How does it apply to us? in your guidelines of interpretation. Second, I do not consider healing, tongues, raising dead, and being unharmed by poisonous snakes as doctrine, but as miracles. Some were used to confirm the gospel spoken to the people, others were used as a means to edify the church. Paul being bit by a snake was just an accident but he being an apostle endowed with all the blessings of the Holy Spirit was the reason he was unharmed. In answer to your last question about Mark 16:16-18 I would say yes, it does provide doctrine, but I would also include that you would have to look at it using the four guidelines. 1. Who is speaking? Jesus 2. Who is spoke to? The eleven (vs 14) 3. What is spoke about? Spreading the gospel 4. How does it apply to us? There are two conditions that must be met in this text for a person to be saved, belief and baptism. This applies to all people then and now. Based on teaching elsewhere in the bible I do not believe that people today speak in tongues, heal, raise the dead, or are unharmed by poisonous snake bites. I anticipate your next question to be "Where is this other teaching?" but I will let you confirm your inquiry in your next post. It will require some time to prepare an adequate response because this is another issue of heated debate. Thanks. |
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94 | What is your understanding of the H.S.? | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64364 | ||
Out of respect, not only for God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, but also to you, I will refrain from using the pronoun 'it' when referring to the Holy Trinity. | ||||||
95 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64246 | ||
What do the following passages mean? EPH 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will. At first glance my thought is that Paul introduces the letter to the Ephesians by explaining to them the blessing we have in a loving God who before creation knew that man would fall and He would send Jesus to earth to die for him. His continuous use of the pronoun “us” to me refers to mankind in general, not just Christians, not just him and the Ephesians. Eph 1:3 - We receive all spiritual blessings through Christ. Eph 1:5-10 – All things have been created through Christ (Col 1:16). God, knowing that man would fall and that a savior would be needed, “predestined” us to adoption through Christ. John 14:6 says, “No one comes to the Father except through Me.” Fallen man is reconciled back to God through faith in Christ. In Christ we have obtained an inheritance, which is the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:14). ROM 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Here Paul is showing admiration to our God who left no stone unturned, so to speak, when it comes to providing for His creation. In the few passages prior to this (28-32) Paul explains how God offered salvation to His chosen people Israel first. Because of their disobedience He then offered it to Gentiles. This results in mercy available to all. The mind of God is above our comprehension and Romans 11:33 is confirmation of that. HEB 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath. God, in order to show that He is faithful, made a promise to Abraham and on top of that swore by Himself (two immutable things vs 18, God's promise and God's oath) that He would come through with His promise. His counsel is immutable. It cannot change. ROM 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. This passage says to me that God is in control and will do what He deems necessary to fulfill His will. Pharoah for example vs. 17. What is your understanding of these passages? |
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96 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64234 | ||
I agree with this 100 percent. I watched a video on New Testament Christianity and the man who presented the lessons began with two verses. The first was Matthew 27:5 speaking of Judas, "And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself." The second one is Luke 10:37, "Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise." The point is yes, not all scripture is doctrine. The skill is "rightly dividing" doctrine, things we must do, from other things such as history, geneologies, etc. |
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97 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64233 | ||
I would agree with all except the "doctrines" of healing, tongues, raising of the dead(Dorcas-chap.9),and being unharmed by poisonous snakes in effect and practiced today. Spiritual gifts were given to the Apostles and only them on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1). They alone had the power to pass on a spiritual gift through the laying on of hands. Simon the sorcerer, after seeing this power, wished to purchase it. When the Apostles died this power was gone. When all those that had received a gift died, the gifts ceased to exist. By this time there was a written record of God's New Testament. Prior to this the word was spoken and the purpose of spiritual gifts was to confirm what was spoken was of God. The Corinthians had a problem understanding this purpose (1 Cor 12-14). I know this may open an issue for debate so word your questions well. Yes, Mark 16:16-18 are words spoken by Jesus Himself. Why would they not be considered doctrine? |
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98 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64216 | ||
If I misunderstood please forgive me. I cite 2 Timothy 3:16,17, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." Notice that the word doctrine is in all caps. If Acts is scripture then isn't Acts profitable for doctrine? |
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99 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64214 | ||
Here is Ephesians 2:8-10 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." 1. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God" Romans 5:8 adds to the understanding of this, "But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." God appeared to men in the flesh as Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of mankind that "whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life." Jn 3:15,16 Jesus' death on the cross is God's gift to man, that whoever believes in him may receive the gift. The concept of belief here has a much deeper meaning than just saying, "Oh, yeah, I believe Jesus is the Christ." It involves obedience. Time does not allow me to go into scriptural support for obedience. Baptism is an act of obedience, not a work. I cannot make it any plainer. The bible teaches this. I would contrast Eph 2:8, 9 with James 2:14-26. Read this and let me know what you think. "What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. |
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100 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64208 | ||
I assume by your post that the point is moot and that I am bringing up old issues of debate? | ||||||
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