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41 | Spirtual Gifts | Matt 7:13 | FTimA | 64996 | ||
Yes, I agree with what you are saying. The things I say about others could very well be turned against me. Paul and Peter did not disagree on points of doctrine, Peter's behavior conflicted with doctrine. As it says in the scripture... Gal 2:11 But when Cephas (Peter, fta) came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. 13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? When truth is discussed, especially biblical truth, only one answer is right. Only one answer is the truth. Scripture is not interpreted, it is understood (1 Cor 14:15). 2 Pet 1:20 states, "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. These are not men's words we are reading in the bible, they are God's words. God has an intended meaning behind them and this meaning is truth. You say, "If you truly believe that "The bible is our only guide", then I assume you listen to no preachers, read no commentaries, listen to no songs, ignore all Bible footnotes, and avoid all Christian media. To do otherwise would be to hear God's word tainted by the perception, interpretation, thought, experience, and fallenness of someone other than God." Actually, I do all of these things, but I compare it to MY understanding of scripture and pray to God always that He will lead me to His truth. No, he did't give us a certification, so to speak. But he did command us to "search the scriptures daily", "study to show thyself approved", etc. Thank you for your comments. |
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42 | Explanations of difficult verses | NT general Archive 1 | FTimA | 64985 | ||
You would do well to research water baptism and read all of the passages that deal with it. Where in the bible does it show a person who is saved NOT being baptized and where does it say in the bible that salvation is received prior to it? | ||||||
43 | Spirtual Gifts | Matt 7:13 | FTimA | 64972 | ||
What did God say to Adam and Eve in the Garden? Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'" 4 The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die! This is a classic example of someone taking what God DID SAY and twisting it to fit their own purpose. Satan knew very well what he was doing and he knows what he is doing today, causing men to twist the true meaning of scripture in order to promote a teaching that does not align with the word of God. Denominationalism is not the sin. Teaching what the word of God does not teach is the sin. I agree that the statement in my profile is very coarse and have since removed it, but that doesn't make it any less true. The bible is our only guide. I feel and firmly believe that God intended it to reveal only one truth, His truth. You may disagree with what I say. You may not approve of what I profess. Each time I post I do my best to put scripture before personal belief. It is the scripture that supplies my personal belief. It is my prayer that we all, you and I, do as the Bereans did and (Acts 17:11)"receive the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." |
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44 | Spirtual Gifts | Matt 7:13 | FTimA | 64930 | ||
In Acts, speaking in tongues was an outward sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, for the Apostles did it first on the day of Pentecost when there was a multitude from every nation under heaven, Acts 2.5,6. Please read 1 Corinthians 12-14. Spiritual gifts had a purpose and that purpose is gone. Speaking in tongues today is not what it was then, a known language AND if you speak in a tongue that nobody understands, who gets edified? 1 Cor 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 1 Cor 14:28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. The above passage teaches that tongues are not to be used unless there are more than one speaking and then only if there is an interpreter. 1 Corinthians 14 speaks a great deal about the proper use of this gift. 1 Cor 13:8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 1 Cor 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 1 Cor 13:10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. This passage teaches that gifts will end. There are other passages that teach the purpose of miracles was to confirm the word of God. The last book of the New Testament was not completed until around 95-96 AD. The first letter to the Corinthians was written 40 years prior to that. When Paul says, "For we know in part and we prophesy in part", could this not mean that the full revelation of God's word has not been delivered yet and that purpose of miracles was still to confirm what was spoken? Ezekiel, gifts of the Holy Spirit did exist and served their purpose in God's grand scheme of things. They no longer exist today. Speaking in tongues is prevalent because it is easy to imitate. Scripture teaches that the tongues in the New Testament were known languages. Tongues today is nothing more than gibberish. If one gift was still active wouldn't they all be? Do you know of anyone who has given us any new revelation through prophesying? Have you read in the news of anyone being raised from the dead after four days in a tomb? Please be careful in what you choose to believe. May God bless you with His truth! |
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45 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64795 | ||
Who is it that you refer to when you say "denominational members have such a narrow view"? Who was it that said "narrow is the way"? A secular definition of denomination is "A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith and name and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy." According to this definition, yes, the church of Christ is a denomination, but again, it is the only one mentioned in the bible. Whether it be church of God, church of the saints, church of Christ, church of Ephesus, Galatia, Thessalonica, etc, etc. These are all the same and are patterned after Christ's teaching, from God. I am reminded of Paul's exhortation to the Corinthian's... 1 Cor 1:10 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." 13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? We could just as well put in I am of Campbell, I am of Calvin, I am of Luther, I am of Pope John, but what does Paul say? Is CHRIST divided? |
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46 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64793 | ||
Post #7 A bit overwhelming isn't it? Do you not think that something which is written about so much in the word of God is important. Yes, the baptism of John, of the Holy Spirit (and maybe others) are included, but each one has a purpose in God's plan of salvation. I hope each of you that is interested in this issue will read through all of the passages, especially those dealing with water baptism for the remission of sins. I welcome comments from all. |
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47 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64792 | ||
Post #6 Baptism Baptizing and Baptism Baptizing Matt 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 2 John 1:25 They asked him, and said to him, "Why then are you baptizing, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?" 3 John 1:28 These things took place in Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing. 4 John 1:31 "I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water." 5 John 3:22 After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing. 6 John 3:23 John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there; and people were coming and were being baptized-- 7 John 3:26 And they came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified, behold, He is baptizing and all are coming to Him." 8 John 4:1 Therefore when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John 9 John 4:2 (although Jesus Himself was not baptizing, but His disciples were), 10 John 10:40 And He went away again beyond the Jordan to the place where John was first baptizing, and He was staying there. Baptism Matt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 2 Matt 21:25 "The baptism of John was from what source, from heaven or from men?" And they began reasoning among themselves, saying, "If we say, 'From heaven,' He will say to us, 'Then why did you not believe him?' 3 Mark 1:4 John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 4 Mark 10:38 But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?" 5 Mark 10:39 They said to Him, "We are able." And Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink you shall drink; and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized. 6 Mark 11:30 "Was the baptism of John from heaven, or from men? Answer Me." 7 Luke 3:3 And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins; 8 Luke 7:29 When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God's justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 9 Luke 12:50 "But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 10 Luke 20:4 "Was the baptism of John from heaven or from men?" 11 Acts 1:22 beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us--one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection." 12 Acts 10:37 you yourselves know the thing which took place throughout all Judea, starting from Galilee, after the baptism which John proclaimed. 13 Acts 13:24 after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. 14 Acts 18:25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; 15 Acts 19:3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 16 Acts 19:4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 17 Rom 6:4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 18 Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 19 Col 2:12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 20 1 Pet 3:21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, |
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48 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64791 | ||
Post #5 Baptized (cont) 17 Acts 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." 18 Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 19 Acts 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. 20 Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. Acts 8:13 Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. 22 Acts 8:16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 23 Acts 8:36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" 24 Acts 8:38 And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 25 Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 26 Acts 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" 27 Acts 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. 28 Acts 11:16 "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 29 Acts 16:15 And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us. 30 Acts 16:33 And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. 31 Acts 18:8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized. 32 Acts 19:3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 33 Acts 19:4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 34 Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 35 Acts 22:16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' 36 Rom 6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 37 1 Cor 1:13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 38 1 Cor 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 39 1 Cor 1:15 so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 40 1 Cor 1:16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 1 Cor 10:2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 42 1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 43 1 Cor 15:29 Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them? 44 Gal 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. |
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49 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64790 | ||
Post #4 Baptism Baptized Baptized Matt 3:6 and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins. 2 Matt 3:13 Then Jesus *arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. 3 Matt 3:14 But John tried to prevent Him, saying, "I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?" 4 Matt 3:16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 5 Mark 1:5 And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins. 6 Mark 1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." 7 Mark 1:9 In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 8 Mark 10:38 But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?" 9 Mark 10:39 They said to Him, "We are able." And Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink you shall drink; and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized. 10 Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. 11 Luke 3:7 So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 12 Luke 3:12 And some tax collectors also came to be baptized, and they said to him, "Teacher, what shall we do?" 13 Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 14 Luke 7:29 When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God's justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 15 Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John. 16 John 3:23 John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there; and people were coming and were being baptized-- |
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50 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64789 | ||
Post #3 Baptize (cont) 21 Acts 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." 22 Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 23 Acts 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. 24 Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. 25 Acts 8:13 Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. 26 Acts 8:16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 27 Acts 8:36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" 28 Acts 8:38 And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 29 Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 30 Acts 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" 31 Acts 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. 32 Acts 11:16 "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 33 Acts 16:15 And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us. 34 Acts 16:33 And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. 35 Acts 18:8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized. 36 Acts 19:3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 37 Acts 19:4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 38 Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 39 Acts 22:16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' 40 Rom 6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 1 Cor 1:13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 42 1 Cor 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 43 1 Cor 1:15 so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 44 1 Cor 1:16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 45 1 Cor 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void. 46 1 Cor 10:2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 47 1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 48 1 Cor 15:29 Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them? 49 Gal 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. |
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51 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64788 | ||
Post #2 Baptism Baptize Matt 3:6 and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins. 2 Matt 3:11 "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 3 Matt 3:13 Then Jesus *arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. 4 Matt 3:14 But John tried to prevent Him, saying, "I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?" 5 Matt 3:16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 6 Mark 1:5 And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins. 7 Mark 1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." 8 Mark 1:9 In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 9 Mark 10:38 But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?" 10 Mark 10:39 They said to Him, "We are able." And Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink you shall drink; and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized. 11 Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. 12 Luke 3:7 So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 13 Luke 3:12 And some tax collectors also came to be baptized, and they said to him, "Teacher, what shall we do?" 14 Luke 3:16 John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 15 Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 16 Luke 7:29 When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God's justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 17 Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John. 18 John 1:26 John answered them saying, "I baptize in water, but among you stands One whom you do not know. 19 John 1:33 "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.' 20 John 3:23 John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there; and people were coming and were being baptized-- |
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52 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64787 | ||
Post #1 Baptism Everything I have presented has come from God's plan of salvation. I have never said or implied that it is not good enough. Sin is of a spiritual nature because God is spirit and sin is against God. The bible clearly teaches that all of us are sinners and until we come in touch with the blood (death) of Christ, we cannot take advantage of his mediation for us. We can only make contact with Christ's death through baptism, for "we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life." Rom 6:4 The only way our souls are cleansed is through baptism. The Perfect One has cleansed me, through baptism. 1 Pet 3:21 "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Acts 22:16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' In another post which I have not yet responded to the writer asks why do we not today have the same urgency with baptism today. I believe a lot of it has to do with the belief that it is 1) not necessary, 2) not important, or 3) is a work and we are not saved by works, and 4) although it is something a person does "after salvation" you can do it whenever you have time. This my friends is blatant perversion of the truth. Below are all scriptures I could pull from the NASB feature of this website pertaining to baptism, manhy of which refer to the baptism which cleanses us from sin. I must break this up into multiple posts because of the content constraint. |
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53 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64779 | ||
Here is my second installment. I quoted Matt 10:6 "but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". You added, "The lost sheep! The jews did not understand the words of Jesus. In fact He preached to them in parables knowing they would not understand! Mark 4:12 "so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING, THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURN AND BE FORGIVEN."" I am not sure what you mean by adding "The lost sheep!" but once again, context is key. Mark 4:10 As soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. Mark 4:11 And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12 so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING, THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURN AND BE FORGIVEN." Jesus was speaking to "His followers, along with the twelve", but prior to this the writer says "as He was alone". From this I get that at most it may have been a small group of individuals. Anyway, Jesus continues, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables." To those who were closest to Jesus, at that time, he reveals the mystery of the kingdom of God, but to those who are outside get everything in parables." Who are these that are outside? Outside of this small group? outside of the kingdom of God? outside of what? 1 Corinthians, using the same phrase "who are outside", gives us some indication. 1 Cor 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. Here we have "those who are within the church" (the kingdom of God) and "those who are outside" (the wicked man). Could we not conclude then that "those who are outside" are those who have not obeyed God, whether the Jews in Mark's account, or both Jew and Greek, in Paul's account? I asked in my previous post "Doesn't this then include all people?" You state, "The gospel is to be proclaimed universally, but only those whom God quickens will understand. Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. It is by God's grace we are given spiritual life (a heart of flesh) so that we might believe." "Spiritual life" and "(a heart of flesh)" cannot be taken to mean the same thing here. Flesh is flesh, spirit is spirit. I quote Paul, again writing to the Roman Christians, Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. It is by God's grace we have opportunity for salvation through Jesus Christ. This "gospel" is the power of God for salvation TO EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES (not just an elect, chosen, predestined, foreordained, etc.) group of people. |
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54 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64778 | ||
I must respond in two posts because of content limitation. Romans 9:13 is an interesting scripture and again, context is key here. Beginning in the first verse, Paul assures his readers that his testimony is true and begins to express grief for his "brethren". Who is he referring to? Verse 4 tells us they are the Israelites, or Jews. Also in verse 4, Paul plainly states that the 'adoption' belonged to them. What is this adoption? It is the relationship they could have with God through obedience to the law. Verse 6, "For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel, nor are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but: "THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED. That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God (those that are circumcised in the flesh, fta), but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants (those that have obeyed God, fta)." You say, "Both boys were "sons" of Abraham but one was preferred over the other. Why?" I must simply say it was God's plan. Gen 25:23 The LORD said to her, "Two nations are in your womb; And two peoples will be separated from your body; And one people shall be stronger than the other; And the older shall serve the younger." This you state correctly in citing Rom 9:11 "for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice (KJV: election) would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,". God's purpose is at work here. Paul then says, Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. This passage was, at least for me, a little difficult to understand. Paul asks, "What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!" What we may call injustice in our eyes does not matter. We are God's creation and we have no say in what He chooses to do to implement His plan. This is explained in Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. Many times in the story of Moses' dealings with Pharoah it is said that God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Ex 7:3 "But I will harden Pharaoh's heart that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. 2 Ex 7:13 Yet Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said. 3 Ex 7:14 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Pharaoh's heart is stubborn; he refuses to let the people go. 4 Ex 7:22 But the magicians of Egypt did the same with their secret arts; and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said. 5 Ex 8:19 Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, "This is the finger of God." But Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said. 6 Ex 9:12 And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses. 7 Ex 9:35 Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not let the sons of Israel go, just as the LORD had spoken through Moses. 8 Ex 10:20 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go. 9 Ex 10:27 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he was not willing to let them go. 10 Ex 11:10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh; yet the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go out of his land. 11 Ex 14:4 "Thus I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will chase after them; and I will be honored through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD." And they did so. Hence the statement Paul makes, "So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." With this in mind it is easy to understand the situation that occurred between Jacob and Esau. It was always God's plan that Esau "despise his birthright" and that Jacob receive it. Works not being necessary for salvation is the issue here. Where in the bible does it say that baptism is a work? |
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55 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64713 | ||
Our bodies or our souls? God tells Adam that our bodies will return to dust. Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return." |
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56 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64710 | ||
As one who has learned very quickly, sarcasm will not get you very far on the forum. The thief was forgiven by Christ while Christ was alive. After Christ's death the New Covenant took place. It was some 40 days until the first gospel sermon was preached. This sermon included baptism as a requirement of obedience unto salvation. Acts 2;37 "Brethren, what shall we do?" Acts 2:38 "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;" You can pick and choose scripture all you want. It will not change the truth. |
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57 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64693 | ||
No, I do not agree with that at all and the bible does not teach that. | ||||||
58 | What is the literal Greek translation? | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64692 | ||
Oh, so you make a statement saying the order is incorrect according to the Greek, but cannot back it up? I do not read Greek and would expect someone who states that the Greek tense is evidence of something different than a large number of translations, who uses terms such as past, present, and future predicate, would be able to support their position with a little more than "read the Greek". | ||||||
59 | What is the literal Greek translation? | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64690 | ||
You make a lot of good comments but draw no conclusions. Being born again occurs at baptism. This is plain bible teaching. Jesus says to Nicodemus in Jn 3:3, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." and in Jn 3:5, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." One could rightly conclude that being "born again" involves two things, 1) being born of water (baptism), and 2) being born of spirit (faith). Both are required but does it matter which comes first? If I am a sinner and become baptized but do not know why, or for what purpose, am I saved? I would say no. Otherwise anyone who would immerse themselves in a swimming pool would be saved. I must, by faith, comply with God's command to be baptized (he who believes and is baptized will be saved, Mk 16:16, repent and be baptized, for the remission of sins, Acts 2:38). Faith, meaning belief, must come before baptism. The example of Cornelius and his household is interesting because of how it all occurred. The whole point of his conversion was to prove that Gentiles now had access to salvation. Read of Peter's vision. Acts 10:30 Cornelius said, "Four days ago to this hour, I was praying in my house during the ninth hour; and behold, a man stood before me in shining garments, 31 and he *said, 'Cornelius, your prayer has been heard and your alms have been remembered before God. 32 'Therefore send to Joppa and invite Simon, who is also called Peter, to come to you; he is staying at the house of Simon the tanner by the sea.' 33 "So I sent for you immediately, and you have been kind enough to come. Now then, we are all here present before God to hear all that you have been commanded by the Lord." 34 Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, 35 but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him. 36 "The word which He sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)-- 37 you yourselves know the thing which took place throughout all Judea, starting from Galilee, after the baptism which John proclaimed. 38 "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. 39 "We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross. 40 "God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. 42 "And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead. 43 "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins." 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. The phrase "the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also" implies that He was poured out on something prior to the Gentiles. This would include all people now, Jews and Gentiles. What occurred immediately afterwards. Acts 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. Notice the wording in Acts 10:33, "we are all here present before God to hear all that you have been commanded by the Lord." and vs 48, "he (Peter) ordered them to be baptized". |
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60 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64679 | ||
The context of the passage you cite actually begins in chapter 5. But we must back up even more to Genesis 22. Gen 22:15 Then the angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. This is the beginning of the old covenant. In Exodus we see, Ex 6:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Now you shall see what I will do to Pharaoh; for under compulsion he will let them go, and under compulsion he will drive them out of his land." 2 God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them. 4 "I also established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land in which they sojourned. 5 "Furthermore I have heard the groaning of the sons of Israel, because the Egyptians are holding them in bondage, and I have remembered My covenant. 6 "Say, therefore, to the sons of Israel, 'I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage. I will also redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments. 7 'Then I will take you for My people, and I will be your God; and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. God through Moses delivers Israel out of Egypt. Moses has received God's law and is about to deliver it to Israel. We pick up in Deuteronomy 5. Deut 5:1 Then Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I am speaking today in your hearing, that you may learn them and observe them carefully. After delivering what is commonly called "the law of Moses", Moses closes by saying, Deut 6:24 "So the LORD commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God for our good always and for our survival, as it is today. 25 "It will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before the LORD our God, just as He commanded us. Moses then prepares them for what they are about to experience in Deuteronomy chapter 7. Deut 7:1 "When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, 2 and when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. 3 "Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. 4 "For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you. 5 "But thus you shall do to them: you shall tear down their altars, and smash their sacred pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire. After giving Israel these instructions he tells them why they are to do this, Deut 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. Now, fast forward to the time of Christ. Jesus instructs his disciples to go out and preach the gospel. Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; 6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Jesus did this because Israel at that time was God's chosen people, they had His law, the prophets who foretold of Jesus' coming, they were to be first to hear the gospel. But what happened? Israel rejected Jesus (not all but enough). Acts 13:46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. During this time, there were really only to groups of people, God's people, Israel, and Gentiles. As is evident above, Paul said that the Jews repudiated the word of God so he turned to the Gentiles. So what is the conclusion then? We have all people made up of Jews and Gentiles. The word of God was given to the Jews, God's chosen people, but they rejected it. It was then given to the Gentiles. Doesn't this then include all people? |
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