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641 | What is a prisoner of the Lord? | Eph 4:1 | Wild Olive Shoot | 149126 | ||
Paul was in prison in Rome when writing this Epistle. He was imprisoned for the Lord's cause, something that he was not ashamed of. What we see as being shameful and disgraceful, to be imprisoned, Paul considered the highest honor since he was imprisoned for God Himself, or for speaking the truths of God. Paul previously mentioned in Ephesians 3:1 that he was a prisoner of Christ. He was a prisoner because he was suffering for Christ’s sake and Christ’s cause. In that he placed the greatest honor, as should we. Keep in mind, while Paul considered his self a prisoner of Christ the Lord, remaining His faithful servant, Christ still cared for and protected him. Paul lived for Christ and Christ owned him. Therefore, Paul was a prisoner in Christ. But nonetheless, a prisoner for us, because it was his bringing God’s word to us for which he was imprisoned. WOS |
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642 | Personal interpretation? | Eph 4:3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 148978 | ||
They chose and pick Scripture, ignoring Truth and augmenting insignificant findings... Angel, just wanted to say, Excellent point as made evident by the devil himself when tempting Christ in the wilderness. He quoted Scripture (Psalm 91) but wanted Christ to apply it in an improper manner. Matthew 4:6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'" I for one firmly believe that interpretation is God's but our application varies based on individual circumstances. Just a thought. WOS |
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643 | denominations. | Eph 4:3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 149166 | ||
Since I’ve been reading all the talk concerning denominational beliefs, I thought I could share my thoughts and pray they help to somewhat place things into perspective. Now I haven’t read all of the posts but it seems to me the ones I did read kind of repeat themselves, so I believe I have received the gist of it. The following is two-fold and looks into Ephesians 4 and then Ephesians 2. All scripture that I have quoted is taken from the NIV. We are all Christians, that is, we have established our faith in Christ. We believe that God incarnated Himself in human form, God the Son, Jesus Christ. He was born into this world by a virgin. He died on the cross for our sins and transgressions, was resurrected and ascended to Heaven and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father. He sent His Holy Spirit to baptize and indwell us, who believe, and mark us as His until His return, when we believers, will be seated with Christ for eternity and in the presence of God. We should be unified in those beliefs. In those beliefs we are the body of Christ (the church) to which He is the head. Read Ephesians 4. It displays how we (the church) should be unified in Christ and then gives us practical applications on how to achieve that. Paul explains in Ephesians 4 that we are to make every effort to keep the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace. Then shows the seven ways in which Christians are unified. How are we to make that “every effort” to keep the peace without surrendering basic beliefs? We all have noticed and especially as of late, how one denomination jokes or ridicules another because of differences, not so much fundamental beliefs, but more so on organizational beliefs. Many people jump on the Catholics for their belief that priests should not marry and many have problems confessing sins to another “man”. Many jump on the Pentecostal church for their speaking in tongues. I’ve done it. The Baptists have their organizational doctrine as well as the Methodists and they differ in practice, all of them. Each church organization has their own guidelines that members are to adhere to. Many have a no tolerance approach in dealing with those who don’t worship within those guidelines. I think this passage speaks directly to those people. Christians have a fundamental belief that I kind of outlined when sending the questions for this week. We need to keep the peace with others who promote the same fundamental beliefs. I think we do that with a loving disposition towards the body of Christ. Our Lord has established a common ground for to anchor to. Paul whenever he preached the Gospel to a new group, he established a common ground and worked within that realm. We need to see that example and follow it. When talking to another who may be from a different background or upbringing, we need to focus on similarities and not differences. So long as the fundamental beliefs are the same, we should be focusing on those in Christ. Promoting unity within the church, the whole church, just not our denominational church. Continued in next post. |
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644 | denominations. | Eph 4:3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 149167 | ||
Continued from previous post. In keeping the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace, what are the seven unifying features among Christians. These are items that establish our common ground as Christians. They are found in verses 4 and 5 of chapter 4. 4There is one body and one Spirit–just as you were called to one hope when you were called– 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. There is only one church, the church of Christ. It doesn’t matter what denominational name you place on it. There is only one Spirit that was sent to guide us and mark us. There is only one hope to which all of the believers are called. There is only one Lord, Jesus Christ. There is only one faith, the faith in Him who does offer us salvation. There is only one baptism in which we are baptized to Christ. There is only one God the Father, creator of the heavens and the earth. The great I Am, who is sovereign over all. These are the items that all Christians have in common that unite us into the body of Christ. Proverbs 6:16, 19 mentions things we are to avoid. Which of those do you think specifically addresses efforts to keep the peace? 16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers. Look at the last part of verse 19. The Lord despises a man who stirs up dissension among his brothers. They are everywhere. We have all probably done this in some way shape or form. I know I have. Many of us look at our church as being the correct way or the only way. Let me tell you my thoughts, there is only one correct way and that is through faith in Jesus Christ. John 14 6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. By focusing on Christ, we can all agree and promote unity, the way it is intended and most assuredly, the way it will be when He returns, one way or the other. Knowing the things in which we should be unified, Ephesians 2:19-22 speaks to where we should be turning for answers by mentioning the foundation of which God’s house (us or the church) is built on. This is specific to us because we because though some of our answers are similar, some are very different as well. However, they should be coming from the same source, a common ground (or foundation), to guide us in our unification with one another and God based on common beliefs. Our answers may be different in application but only because we are all not in the same sphere spiritually and that is to be considered and expected since we are not the same person. We mature in Christ, mentioned in verses 11 through 13 of chapter 4, at a rate and speed most likely determined by Him and how open we are to His word. We mature with the help of those mentioned specifically in 4:11 as well as others. With all of that being said… What is the foundation spoken of in verse 20 of Ephesians 2? And what does each represent? This is a really neat answer, I think. The foundation mentioned in the verse is made up of the Prophets and the Apostles. What do you normally think of when you think of each? The Prophets for the most part are from the Old Testament. The Apostles are from our New Testament. Together, they comprise our Holy Bible. Now when Paul was writing Ephesians, of course there was no New Testament. But they did have the direct teachings of Jesus Christ as He had giving to His Apostles, which is basically our New Testament now. The teachings of the Prophets and the Apostles are our foundation in which we, the Temple is built, with Jesus Christ as the Cornerstone, holding us together. So in essence, our answers that we reply with are taken from The Holy Bible. Any answers to question concerning God and Christ and His church have been revealed to us and should be found in The Holy Bible. Finished in next post. |
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645 | denominations. | Eph 4:3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 149168 | ||
Continued from previous post. The goal I am trying to reach is this: Though our outlook differs somewhat from person to person, it is only because the Scripture in which we read is applied to our lives differently. Our circumstances our not the same, our physical conditions are not the same, our maturity in Christ is not the same and our application of God’s word in our lives is not the same. All of these play a vital role in the Spirit revealing to us what He deems necessary at the time. But our Lord has still established a common ground for us to anchor in. If we pull from that, though our answers seem different, we still remained unified in Him, the essential source of those answers. Hebrews 6 lays the elementary teachings of Christ. The author of Hebrews tells us that we need to move on to more mature teachings. Hebrews 6: 1Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And God permitting, we will do so. In our maturity process, Paul points out in Ephesians that we need to hold on to the fundamental beliefs as we grow in Christ. Ephesians 4: 4There is one body and one Spirit–just as you were called to one hope when you were called– 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But as we mature, our application of God’s word may differ in our lives. That’s okay. That’s to be expected. But we should be promoting that in unity and with the understanding, that although we differ slightly in the application of God’s word, we still pull those applications from the common source of Jesus Christ and what God has revealed to us in His word. The answers we search our in the Bible. Are all of the answers there? No, I don’t think so. I know God hasn’t revealed to us when His Son will be returning. But what the Bible is to me is God’s complete revelation to us. God, in His infinite wisdom, has given us all we need to know. All the answers that we need to live a life to accomplish His work in us, has been revealed in His word to us, all of them. Now I’m not saying that there isn’t other material available to help us, but in the end, our Holy Bible has to be the final authority concerning our questions of God, Christ and His Church. I trust that God knows what is needed and I realize that, who am I to question God and claim that He still owes me answers. In my finite worldly wisdom, I have done that and I have been wrong. God owes me nothing. He owes us nothing. He has graciously given us what we need to live our lives in a manner pleasing to Him. And we owe it to Him to do that. He has also informed us that all questions will be answered in the end. But we have to get there first. Faith is the key: Hebrews 11 6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. So as long as our outlook and answers are rooted in the basic principals of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity, can they be wrong? Not if we let the Spirit guide us on our search for those answers. We know our Bible does not answer all questions, but on a subject to which the Word is silent, we must rely on our consciences, our hearts, the Spirit of God to guide us. We risk much by turning to worldly wisdom to find our answers. Now like I said, there is plenty of material out there to help us along the path, but scripture forewarns us of the dangers of it as well, so let us choose our material wisely, with a godly wisdom. Just my thoughts. WOS |
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646 | denominations. | Eph 4:3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 149169 | ||
Scripture that I hope supports my stance concerning the preceding posts. Corinthians 2:6-16 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 Galatians 1:6-9 1 Timothy 1:4-6 1 Timothy 4:1-5 2 Timothy 3:16-17 2 Timothy 4:2-4 Titus 1:8-16 Colossians 2:4-8 |
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647 | denominations. | Eph 4:3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 149206 | ||
Hey EdB, just trying to shed some light on the subject. Please, don't look at anything I stated as argumentative or defensive. Just to clarify something though, when speaking on maturity, I wasn't implying that anyone or any denomination was immature. But many seem to argue over issues of basic Christian doctrine and get stuck at that level, referencing the scripture taken from Hebrews. The arguments over doctrine, which should already be well known to the new or existing Christian, are rather immature, and we should move on. Sort of like moving on to bigger and better things, growing spiritually and progressing towards Christ promoting unity not dissension. Get over what we already know as fact and move on to more mature things that we should be learning. That's all. Regarding application, I agree with you 100 percent. Application of God's word in our life is of the utmost importance. After all, what is the purpose of God's word given to us if we don't apply it? I just feel that application will vary based on where we are in our spiritual growth with Christ. Since we are all not at the same level, application can vary, but application is still the desire. Glad you thought there were some good things you could pull. That's what my hope was and if they helped just one, then it served its purpose. I must let you know, your reply helped my perspective as well and I thank you for that. WOS |
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648 | Imortant Question Of Life Situation | Eph 4:3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 189871 | ||
ddethdan, I hope the following is helpful. Faith in Christ is the key. Our love of Him and of others is able to smash the barriers we have put in place by our arrogance and tradition throughout history. Walk worthy of the calling my friend. Personally, I know Baptist’s who have a true love for their savior as well as Pentecostal’s. Wherever you may end up, remember this, focus on the Word of God, there you’ll find the truth. Ephesians 4:1-7: 1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. “Observe, Christians ought to accommodate themselves to the gospel by which they are called, and to the glory to which they are called; both are their vocation. We are called Christians; we must answer that name, and live like Christians. We are called to God's kingdom and glory; that kingdom and glory therefore we must mind, and walk as becomes the heirs of them.” – Matthew Henry “This unity of the Spirit is caused by a similarity of nature. Find a drop of water glittering in the rainbow, leaping in the waterfall, rippling in the rivulet, lying silent in the stagnant pool or dashing in spray against the vessel’s side—that water claims kinship with every drop of water the wide world over because it is the same in its elements. And even so there is a unity of the Spirit which we cannot imitate which consists in our being begotten again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.” – C. H. Spurgeon “A Church that would keep the unity of the Spirit, again, must not consider itself to be so infallible that not to belong to its membership is sin. What right has any one Church to set itself up as the standard, so that those who do not join it are necessarily Dissenters? It is true my Episcopal brother is a Dissenter—he dissents from me! It is true he is a Nonconformist, for he does not conform to me—I would not, however, call him by such names lest I should arrogate to my own Church to be the one true church and so should break the unity of the Spirit.” – C. H. Spurgeon “Let us meet on equal ground! Let us lay aside all pretences to superiority! Let us really aid and not oppress each other! Let us mingle in prayer. Let us unite in confession of sin. Let us join heartily in reforming our errors and a true Evangelical Alliance will cover our land! If any church will take the Bible as its standard and in the power of the Spirit of God preach the name of Jesus, there are thousands of us who will rejoice to give the right hand of fellowship with a hearty greeting to all such!” – C. H. Spurgeon Spurgeon quotes taken from TRUE UNITY PROMOTED and can be read at the following: http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols10-12/chs607.pdf Stand in His grace, WOS |
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649 | What does it mean to be born-again? | Eph 4:5 | Wild Olive Shoot | 168875 | ||
Dear hyojinee, I hope this helps you: Ephesians 4:4-6: 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Some commentary on “one baptism”: “One baptism, by which we profess our faith, being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; and so the same sacramental covenant, whereby we engage ourselves to the Lord Christ.” – Matthew Henry “One baptism - This does not affirm that there is one mode of baptism, but it refers to “the thing itself.” They are all baptized in the name of the same Father, Saviour, Sanctifier. They have all in this manner been consecrated unto God, and devoted to his service. Whether by immersion, or by pouring, or by sprinkling, they have all been baptized with water; whether it is done in adult years, or in infancy, the same solemn act has been performed on all - the act of consecration to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” – Albert Barnes “One baptism, there were divers baptisms under the law, but there is but one baptism under the Gospel; for John's and Christ's are the same: there are, besides, figurative or metaphorical ones, which are so in an improper sense, as the baptism of the Spirit, and the baptism of blood, or of sufferings; but there is but one baptism, literally and properly so called, which is water baptism; and which is to be administered in one and the same way, by immersion in water; and on one and the same subjects, believers in Christ; and in one and the same name, the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and to be performed but once, when rightly administered.” – John Gill Concerning one being born again: Easton Bible Dictionary: Regeneration: Only found in Mat_19:28 and Tit_3:5. This word literally means a “new birth.” The Greek word so rendered (palingenesia) is used by classical writers with reference to the changes produced by the return of spring. In Mat_19:28 the word is equivalent to the “restitution of all things” (Act_3:21). In Tit_3:5 it denotes that change of heart elsewhere spoken of as a passing from death to life (1Jo_3:14); becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus (2Co_5:17); being born again (Joh_3:5); a renewal of the mind (Rom_12:2); a resurrection from the dead (Eph_2:6); a being quickened (Eph_2:1, Eph_2:5). This change is ascribed to the Holy Spirit. It originates not with man but with God (Joh_1:12, Joh_1:13; 1Jo_2:29; 1Jo_5:1, 1Jo_5:4). As to the nature of the change, it consists in the implanting of a new principle or disposition in the soul; the impartation of spiritual life to those who are by nature “dead in trespasses and sins.” The necessity of such a change is emphatically affirmed in Scripture (Joh_3:3; Rom_7:18; Rom_8:7-9; 1Co_2:14; Eph_2:1; Eph_4:21-24). |
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650 | Dr. B. Biblical support Angels can't sin | Eph 4:9 | Wild Olive Shoot | 171706 | ||
Excuse me! Dr B., you stated: “If the wages of sin is death, and angels cannot die, then neither can they sin, or they would die, which they cannot do. At least, not according to Jesus.” If’ I’m reading my Bible correctly Dr B., your argument here contradicts itself. Death was rendered unto MAN for sin, a specific judgment for a specific creature for a specific action. Where in God’s word do find Him saying that Angels to will die for sin or that they are subject to the same because of MAN’s disobedience. It may just be me, but I think you are comparing apples to oranges and this bit a ramble doesn’t make juice when squeezed either way. WOS |
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651 | Dr. B. Biblical support Angels can't sin | Eph 4:9 | Wild Olive Shoot | 171870 | ||
1Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: |
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652 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 153850 | ||
I for one would like to see some scriptural support for that answer. Where did you come up with that? WOS |
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653 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 153983 | ||
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654 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154036 | ||
Your answer may clear things up for some, but I must confess, it infuriates me to no end. The below is taken from Hermetic web-sites. Tell me, which of this, if any, is Biblical? I’ll have you know, not once in the sites I searched did I see reference to Christ as our Lord and Savior. So I ask you, is he yours? If your answer is in the affirmative then I pray you’ll rethink your position on Hermeticism. WOS From: www.hermetics.com Webster dictionary: her.met.ic also her.met.i.cal adj NL hermeticus, fr. Hermet-, Hermes Trismegistus (1605) 1 often cap a: of or relating to the Gnostic writings or teachings arising in the first three centuries a.d. and attributed to Hermes Trismegistus b: relating to or characterized by occultism or abstruseness: recondite 2 fr. the belief that Hermes Trismegistus invented a magic seal to keep vessels airtight a: airtight seal b: impervious to external influence trapped inside the military machine -Jack Newfield c: recluse, solitary leads a life - her.met.i.cal.ly adv Oxford illustrated Dictionary second edition: Hermes: (-z). 1. (Greek Myth) Son of Zeus and Maia; represented as messenger of the gods, god of science, commerce, eloquence, etc., identified by the Romans with Mercury, and represented as a youth with winged rod(caduceus), brimmed hat (petasus), and winged shoes (talaria). 2.Trismegistus (thrice-greatest), name given by Neo-Platonists etc. to Egyptian god Thoth, regarded as author of all mysterious doctrines and esp. of secret of alchemy. From: www.hermetics.org Essentially, Hermeticism is the ancient philosophy, theory and practice of the inner secrets of man, nature and spirit. It's origins are lost in the mists of prehistory. Its revivals in the Hellenistic, Renaissance and modern times have often been pale reflections of its real nature. Though much of its records are lost, it has re-risen from the flames like the Phoenix under many different guises. Fragments of this great primal teaching are distributed throughout the world. Hermes Trismegistus, its legendary founder, has been called the originator of writing, the sciences and arts, as well as the patron of esoteric teachings and magick. He has been equated as one and the same as Tehuti, Thoth, Enoch and Idris, among many other spiritual teachers at the dawn of human history. Hermetic teachings have been transmitted through a long line of masters and teachers throughout the ages. Its survival throughout the ages has been accomplished by means of guardians of the holy mysteries. These guardians have emerged from time to time to disclose precious fragments of these timeless teachings. Voltaire was of the opinion that Abraham descended from some of the numerous Brahman priests who left India to spread their teachings throughout the world; and in support of his thesis he presented the following elements: the similarity of names and the fact that the city of Ur, land of the patriarchs, was near the border of Persia, the road to India, where that Brahman had been born. HERMETICISM is the scientific, philosophic, religious and social synthesis of the past, present and will be, without doubt, that of the future. The theologian, philosopher,the savant, doctor, moralist or sociologist should make the effort to study occultism where alone they will find together with the best solutions to theological, cosmological, anthropological and sociological enigmas, as well as the elements which will revivify their current knowledge, and how to regenerate the human body and soul and of the whole of society. As for those who are tormented by the deeply anguishing problem of life after death, they will be soon understand through exposure to our doctrines, we hope, the rational certitude through experience of the immortality of their conscious and spiritual principle, they will understand that Divinity wants the best for all its creatures, and that the Heaven, Purgatory and Hell of the naïve theologians are nothing more than the physical and moral situations in which our soul finds itself throughout the course of its eternal career . They will know that Reincarnation, taught in the ancient mystery schools, just as it was in the original Christian Church, and in modern initiations is one of the multiple means employed by the Sovereign Bounty (or Supreme Good), in order to hasten the animical, intellectual and spiritual evolution of each one of us. They will see that man works out unceasingly through the conditions, which must preside over successive lives in time and space. They will recognize that human beings are all united to each other not only in actions, but also in words and above all in thought. It is by these means that they will prepare consciously the Coming on Earth of the True Fraternity and of the Reign of the Holy Spirit, or of Science allied to Faith, of Reason united to Intuition, a lasting and celestial fusion which the Feast of Pentecost symbolizes so well." |
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655 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154041 | ||
Well of course it was your quote… “” The Greek papyri furnish us with an abundance of magical formulas couched in unintelligible terms (e.g. Pap. Lond., 121, “Iao, eloai, marmarachada, menepho, mermai, ieor, aeio, erephie, pherephio,” etc.), which are not infrequently connected with an ecstatic state (e.g. Reitzenstein, “Poimandres”, 53-58).” Poimandres is of course the most famous of the Hermetic writings, so I read. And then your subsequent follow up that defended the position and attempted to lessen the severity while condoning such a position with… “Hermeticism is that which treats some universal principles. Hermeticism does not always indicate sorcery. Only in today's culture is this term held to its worst degree.” You also go on to quote Philo and then even Celsus, who by the way, thought Jesus was no more than a bastard from his mothers adulteress affair with a soldier, who acquired certain magical powers while in Egypt and used them to project Himself as being God. Why would you even use writings from those individuals in attempting to “Biblically” support the gift of tongues or anything else for that matter? WOS |
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656 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154049 | ||
In my opinion, you used the writings of Reitzenstein, Philos and Celsus to support and uphold your view of what one will endure while under the influence of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues, am I mistaken on that point? My friend, even if what they claim is truth, the source of it is still evil, as their claims and teachings and lives were and are contrary to the Word of God. It would be similar in practice mind you, of what Paul experienced with the slave girl in Acts 16:16-18. Evil, in all cases, corrupts the truth. “Satan, though the father of lies, will declare the most important truths, when he can thereby serve his purposes. But much mischief is done to the real servants of Christ, by unholy and false preachers of the gospel, who are confounded with them by careless observers.” – Matthew Henry However, we know that those you quoted speak not the truth and when you use them and their reasoning to support your position, your witness is corrupt, no matter how true you perceive it to be. It would serve everyone better if you would stick to using Biblical evidence in support of a particular position and extra-biblical support from persons known or proven as being of God, those whose teachings are aligned with God’s Word. Your “main ingredient” means nothing when supported and upheld by un-godly reasoning. And thank you, but I don’t think it is necessary for any of us, the need to “study” Philo and Celsus. And bear in mind, when you use their positions to uphold any teaching, you give credit to and condone what they say as being factual. Just a word of caution I guess. WOS |
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657 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154150 | ||
I stand by my assessment of what you placed in type on this forum and pray that you will see how quoting those you did, can be harmful and what you posted did not, from an entirely Christian standpoint, uphold the truths of God’s word, simply based on their origin. Far be it from me to allow myself to continue in an unproductive debate or discussion, so I'll end my participation at this point and look forward to discussing another topic with you in the future. Christ be with you. WOS |
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658 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154151 | ||
I stand by my assessment of what you placed in type on this forum and pray that you will see how quoting those you did, can be harmful and what you posted did not, from an entirely Christian standpoint, uphold the truths of God’s word, simply based on their origin. Far be it from me to allow myself to continue in an unproductive debate or discussion, so I'll end my participation at this point and look forward to discussing another topic with you in the future. Christ be with you. WOS |
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659 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154182 | ||
You say "Q2. did i speak in tongues? A. yes" How can you know? Where you there? Do you know what the words he uttered mean? Maybe then, you can share with and so edify the rest of us. If Kennyittis has no understanding of the word, how does it edify him? Thus, how do you perceive to know it was from God? WOS |
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660 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154190 | ||
Javelin, My friend, first of all, you accuse me of being “anti-tongue”. If you would take a little time to look into my posts on this forum, you would see that in fact, I am not. Ref. Post number (148377). The fact of the matter is, I still debate the gift of tongues with myself. I believe they still exist, but are used in this day and age in an improper manner and that if truth be told, many who claim this experience, are falsely testifying. That being said, I would like to address just a few things in your post because quite frankly, some of it is”hogwash”… You stated: “Kennyittis, again if true, recounted his personal experience. Who the hey are you to say, as so many others here, that it is "not from God" since tongues is long passed" ??!!” I never said that at all. I don’t believe I even addressed Kennyittis and his post. My debate was with elektos and the sources he used to support his position on tongues. We addressed that, he and I, and have come to the conclusion to peacefully disagree. I also asked Brenda to use scriptural evidence for her claim. But I don’t think I addressed Kennyittis. You then stated: “"How can you know? Where you there? Do you know what the words he uttered mean?" no, so what - your questions apply to you as well.” I was not there. Again, I never told Kennyittis that his vision was Godly or not. But how can you honestly give him the reassurance that it was? You can’t and therefore should not have. What if the source of his vision was not from God? Should he continue down the road you suggested? Statements like that can be very detrimental to someone when you offer them and haven’t the full facts of the case. You need to check yourself in the pattern of offering irresponsible and rash advise. The devil will fool even the elect if he could. Since you don’t know the basis of Kennyittis’ vision, you cannot possibly affirm that it was from God. You then state: “I simply believe the witness and make the correlation with clear scripture.” That is all the BradK asked you for. Frankly, until you can offer some biblical support, what you post is your opinion and rather dismissible because we all know what worldly wisdom and opinions can offer. Back up what you state with Scripture. It is quite simple really. You then offered this: “"Thus, how do you perceive to know it was from God?" - mere analysis of his description of the event. How do you or anyone else for that matter, perceive to know it was not from God? How does anyone know anything about what any witness says?” Go back to Kennyittis’ post. He never confirmed the vision was from God. What he said was this: “i believe i had a vision”. So he wasn’t sure if it was even a vision. But according to you, it was and it was from God. Very dangerous assumption my friend, unless, God has spoken to you as well and informed you of such. I’ll leave this discussion as I have left others that will not be productive. Christ be with you, and maybe we can discuss other issues in a more peaceful manner. WOS P.S. Just a word of caution, there are many on this forum and simply all around who do use Scripture to support their views that tongues have ceased. They offer very well rounded, scriptural evidence. If you intend to debate that, I would suggest you yourself do the same. |
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