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61 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1167 | ||
To put that verse in context, Jesus is talking to non-believers and telling them that there is nothing you can do to snatch the saved out of the Father's hand. It's telling us that as long as we chose to believe then nothing can prevent us from being saved. 2 Peter 2:20 states very clearly that it is possible to lose your salvation. |
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62 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1171 | ||
I'd love to hear your interpretation of what you think 2 Peter 2:20 is saying then. | ||||||
63 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1174 | ||
I assume then because you refuse to interpret the verse then you are admitting that it does not hold with what you believe to be true so you just ignore it. That's a real good way of studying the Bible. If I assume wrong, then please tell me how you would interpret it. I really would like to know because I can't seen any other legitimate way. I'm not saying there isn't another way, just that I don't see it. Also, for your information, I do think that there are many verses (ideas) that can be interpreted multiple ways and I am open to them. |
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64 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1178 | ||
I'm sorry you feel that way. You could not be further from the truth. How can one learn if they are not open to other ideas and willing to discuss their points? And yes, you told me EXPLICITLY that you believe I care more about... but you were wrong. If I left it alone there, you would have again made a false interpretation. If you noted in my posting, I said I assumed that was the case and also said that I may have assumed wrong. |
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65 | Snatch? | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1197 | ||
Thank you for your interpretation. I've been using the NIV bible which states it differently. I would like to know what version you are refering to so that I can read it in context as you are. The NIV says "If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ..." I interpret "escaping the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord" as being saved. That's the only way I know to escape the corruption of the world. The KJV says it similarly "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." And the same for NASB - "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first." I do agree with you though that one can know Christ but not Know Christ. I don't think that people that just know who Jesus is (and maybe even try and act as he did) could escape the corruption of the world. Only if you were saved could be free from the corruption of the world. If you turn back to the ways of the world and renounce your salvation, then you no longer have that guarantee. |
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66 | Snatch? | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1206 | ||
I think the key is the phrase "Escaping the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ" not just a word. You can't just pull a word out and call that the key to understaning the meaning. You have to look at the whole thought. | ||||||
67 | What is Escaping Corruption of World? | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1612 | ||
I assume then that you do not believe once saved, always saved. | ||||||
68 | Eternal Security and 2 Peter 2:20 ??? | 2 Peter | jg8ball | 1077 | ||
Thank you! I agree with everything you said. My concern is with people that believe that God pre-chose certain people to be saved. In other words, they believe that there are certain people that are unable to be saved. This is what an elder at the church I attend is telling me. He calls himself Calvinistic and believes firmly in the Doctrine of Election. There are just too many verses that talk otherwise. I also get frustrated when people say things like "since there are 255 times the elect, election, chose, chosen and choose appear then that proves the doctrine. What they fail to do is look up the words, read them in context, and see that they (or at least the majority of them) have nothing to do with Election. What I'm starting to see though is that there appears to be different levels of belief in Election. Those that believe ALL can be saved and those that believe SOME can be saved. I believe ALL can be saved - through FAITH ALONE. I'm not sure why JVH0212 keeps implying that I believe it's also by works. God offered me salvation through Jesus and I elected to accept it. |
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69 | Eternal Security and 2 Peter 2:20 ??? | 2 Peter | jg8ball | 1078 | ||
Talk about close minded persons. Yes, verse 1 (and this chapter) talks about false teachers. But, I didn't ask about verse 1, I asked about Verse 20. Since you seem not to want to read that far, I'll break it down in easy to understand terminology for you. 2 Peter 2:20 "If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ..." How does one escape the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord? It doesn't matter who you are. If you escape it, then you are saved. PERIOD. (unless of course you believe there is some sort of "in between" state.) "...and are again entangled in it and overcome" "And again entangled" implies that the person has reverted back to the old sinfull ways "...and overcome..." would imply that the person has lost Jesus. "...they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning." This proves that they are no longer saved because if so, then how could they be worse in the end? Basically, it's telling you that you'd be better off having not been saved at all. Because those that are saved and renounce that salvation to turn back to the ways of the world and spread lies will not be in a good mood at judgement day. By the way, did you get a chance to look up those 250 times the words appear in the bible? Do you still want to use that number? I'm not sure why your eyes have been closed but I pray that someone will be able to open them. |
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70 | Eternal Security and 2 Peter 2:20 ??? | 2 Peter | jg8ball | 1085 | ||
I'm not denying that it's talking about false teachers. I'm saying that verse 20 is saying very clearly that it's possible to lose one's salvation. Couldn't it be that the people that were saved and given up the salvation are the false teachers mentioned above. Who would be a better false teacher? One that knew nothing of the Bible or one that knew about it, new the love of Jesus, but later rejected it for the pleasures of the world and began twisting the doctrines with little half-truths to sway people away? PLEASE READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER (or better yet, the whole bible) Don't throw out verses because they don't fit with what you want to believe!!! And as I've repeatedly said, I don't deny the number if instances the words appear. I deny your use of the words to make your point. Take each of those words in context and most have nothing to do with the doctrine of election. And again, the word Trinity does not occur in the bible at all. Does this mean it doesn't exist? NO!! When you respond to a posting, please take your time and read it and try to understand, answer, and address all that was written. |
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71 | Have you ever looked at Urantia Book? | Rev 19:4 | jg8ball | 913 | ||
I'm sorry, but I think I missed something somewhere. You said earlier "According to reports, the book was produced by more than 400 experts who were told to prepare questions for God regarding the need for additional knowledge and understanding in their fields of expertise. These questions were submitted. The answers came from 'out there.'" and now you feel that it is the scroll that Daniel was to seal until the times of the end?. Don't you think it's more likely that the group of 400 people concocted their own religion? I also assume that you must believe that we are in the times of the end and have been ever since the book went on sale. You also mentioned that you watched a man read the book and go insane. Did you sit and watch him read the entire 2000 pages? and Did he go insane gradually as he read or did it happen as soon as he finished the book? Sorry, I'll stick to the Bible. Matthew 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." |
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