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1 | What does Bible teach on election? | Bible general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 598 | ||
Thanks for the link. I (currently) don't believe in the predestination theory, at least as it's been explained to me, but your notes look well laid out and seem, at first glance, to give an in-depth look at this theory - 97 pages worth. I look forward to reviewing this document to see if my interpretations are faulty or if this is just something that we'll find out in the end. Also, if anyone else wishes to communicate via e-mail and does not wish to post their address, they could setup a "temporary account" at hotmail.com - or similar web-based email systems. That way if this account gets slammed with unwanted e-mails, you just cancel it. |
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2 | What is the best version of the Bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 623 | ||
Excellent answer! I myself have used primarily the NIV but will be getting a NASB soon. I usually use the computer to check different versions (www.blueletterbible.com has some nice features for this) but sometimes there's nothing like the real book. I'm looking forward to comparing the "thought for thought" translation to the "word for word" translation. thanks for your answer. |
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3 | What does Bible teach on election? | Bible general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 777 | ||
I do believe your interpretation of Divine Predestination. I guess where I disagree is interpretation of Election. In the verse you listed (2 Thes 2:13), I interpret this as follows: Paul is writing to a group of believers and when he refers to "God has chosen (elected) you from the beginning for salvation", he's not telling them that they are special because God had pre-chosen them individually, but God had made a provision for them to be saved and they are special (the "Elect" or in today's terms "the born-again" or "believers") because they accepted God's gift and chose to follow Christ. There are many verses in the Bible that talk about God wanting all to be saved and for us to choose to believe. When you look at the verses that talk about the elect and apply the interpretation that the elect are another way of saying believers and that predestination is refering to God's over-all plan rather than individually, then the whole bible falls together. I haven't seen any "Election" verses that can't interpreted this way. I have seen many verses and stories in the Bible that the "Election theory" doesn't hold up. I will be spending some time exploring the "Election" interpretation in greater detail and hope you will also spend some time exploring the "Free Will" interpretation in an unbiased study. |
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4 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 41584 | ||
New Creature, I've fought this same battle many times before (including in this forum) and, as your finding out, people are pretty set on what they want to believe and no matter how many verses that show that we must be on guard against losing our way, they're always going to refer back to a few verses that when taken out of context support a "once saved always saved" doctrine. When it all comes down to the bottom line though, it doesn't really matter which way you believe. As long as you have accepted Christ in your life, and continue to believe and not reject Him, you will be saved. Others may also add that you must also be baptized, but that's a whole other can of worms. |
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5 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 41712 | ||
Thanks for the agreement. I hope others study the Bible (as a whole) and not just the verses that seem to fit with what they want to believe. If they did, I don't see how they could come up with once saved - always saved and more importantly, that God's salvation is not available to everyone. (Elect versus Free Will) But that's just my interpretation. I can hardly wait for the day when I'll get to hear the Truth from the Source. I'm betting that it's going to be something like all that really matters is that we Love God and Love everyone else. If you do these two things then does anything else really matter? On a side note, that wasn't me that responded to your response to my initial response :) |
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6 | Explanations of difficult verses | NT general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 558 | ||
Thanks for the information. I look forward to reviewing it with my friend. |
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7 | A pastor who is there? | NT general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 1180 | ||
We agree on something! :) | ||||||
8 | why did God create the world | Gen 1:1 | jg8ball | 1181 | ||
Great Answer!! That may come in handy sometime. Thanks. | ||||||
9 | God, Satan, and Job's sons discuss dad? | Gen 6:4 | jg8ball | 557 | ||
I'll try and further investigate the "sons of God" as to whether it means man or angels. As far as the NIV version, I believe that God also inspired the translators when pulling out the meaning of what the original authors wrote. I guess to really know, we'd all have to learn Hebrew and Greek and study the original manuscripts. But if I am remembering correctly, the New Testiment (or parts of it) was most likely written in Aramaic and was later translated to Greek. Since we no longer have the original, we must rely on those early translators. |
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10 | Can one who commits suicide be saved? | Ex 20:13 | jg8ball | 418 | ||
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Note that it doesn't say some of our sins but implies all our sins. Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. If God could forgive the people that crucified His son, I don't think there's nothing He couldn't forgive. Hope that helps. |
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11 | Is repentance required? | Ex 20:13 | jg8ball | 445 | ||
Well said | ||||||
12 | Can one who commits suicide be saved? | Ex 20:13 | jg8ball | 471 | ||
That's a good point. I'll have to consider that for awhile. Thanks. | ||||||
13 | Is tithing for today? | Lev 27:30 | jg8ball | 41933 | ||
I agree completely. I use the term Tithe (probably incorrectly) to mean that which you give back to God - which would be whatever amount you can joyfully give. Traditionally, this amount is 10 percent based on OT and that it literally means a tenth. | ||||||
14 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 976 | ||
PART TWO: In your Part two, I think I've answered your first two paragraphs but would be happy to directly respond to any scripture verses you supply although I have done this elsewhere in this forum. (I would appreciate it if you would respond to my 3 original questions first though). The idea of God being fair or not has nothing to do with why I don't believe in Election. If God were fair (in God's terms) then we would all go to Hell. If God were fair (in human terms) then all good people would go to Heaven. The point is that God did put a limit on the people that would be saved. That limit is that ANYONE that CHOSES to believe in His Son and repent their sins will be saved. You bring up the example of the person driving a Honda Accord for 20 years and just because I don't drive one I'm in no position to get you to change cars. I assume then you also believe if you talked to a Jehovah's Witness, a Mormon, an Athiest, a Prostitute, etc... then you would not be able to show them what it means to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior? I believe I could get you out of that Accord and into a Grand Prix if I were to show you enough examples of why the Accord is a bad car, has poor safety records, is driven only by those that have been taught "that's the car we drive, son", etc... (Although this is a bad example because the Accord really is a good car.) I assume by your 2nd to last paragraph that you believe that the three questions I asked are not well-thought-out or scripturally based, otherwise you would have attempted to answer them. If this is so, please let me know why. Thank you (and sorry about the long reply) I also respect your right to your own attitudes, but I also think about the passage where we are warned against those that teach false doctrine. I'm not saying that Election is false doctrine, it's that I'm trying to determine (for myself) if it's worth running from (or fighting against). A little background info -- I'm attending a church that is Calvinistic in majority (and believe in Election - "only some are chosen to be saved") and have come to the conclusion that I need to either understand how I may be misinterpreting the bible, fight or run) I'm not one to believe in something just because someone says it's true. I have to research it for myself and see if there could be two possible interpretations and if not, then determine if this is a doctrinal matter or just a little human petty thing. I really am trying to understand the Election idea but have not received any real help. Thank you for your patience. |
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15 | Who has the opportunity to be saved? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1032 | ||
I don't think of it as a "Salvation" issue but more of an error in interpretation - similar to how the Jehovah Witness's have interpreted the Bible. (Basing a religion on parts of the bible and using that basis to fit the rest of the bible to those beliefs and ignoring, or changing, the parts that don't fit) I guess the scariest part to Election (to me) is that it would seem too easy for a person to assume that they must not be an "Elect" because of all the horrible things they've done and miss out on the love of Jesus. The same holds true for a person that believes in Jesus but then back slides and begins to wonder if they are an "Elect". |
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16 | Who has the opportunity to be saved? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1082 | ||
First of all you can stop using Calvinism. I admitted I was wrong and have started using Doctrine of Election. I did not realize that there were non-Calvins that believe in the Doctrine of Election. Since you say that you believe that ALL people have the opportunity to be saved then your view is different than what I have been told what Election means -- That God has predestined his elect to be saved and the rest not to be saved. Since you do believe (as do I) that all can be saved through faith alone, then how does this fit in with your interpretation of the doctrine of election? |
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17 | Who has the opportunity to be saved? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1095 | ||
I think we are closer in our beliefs than we realize. I guess our difference here is that I believe God's choosing us could be viewed as God making an initial offer to us and giving us the option to accept it or not. In other words, God chose all of us in his plan for salvation but want's us to make the decision to follow him on our own. Unfortunately, not all will. This thought allows for both the "Whosovers" and the "God's Choosing" to coexist nicely and makes it easier to interpret these "conflicting" passages. The other area we disagree on is that I believe it's possible to renounce one's salvation - although I have no idea why one would. I've replied back to you on this topic in another posting and in case you haven't read it yet, I appologize in advance for any little digs :) I tend to get a little over passionate on this stuff. |
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18 | Questions for my Calvinists friends. | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1097 | ||
Thanks for your response. From yours and JVH0212's postings, I think I'm seeing that not everyone that believes in the Doctrine of the Elect believe that God only chose certain people to be saved. I hope I'm interpreting this correctly. I am going to try and sit down with the elder at my church and find out exactly where he's coming from. thanks again. |
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19 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1288 | ||
I'm sorry but I don't see how you equate "God chose some to salvation and not others" to "not by works, lest anyone should boast" The "Not by works..." is simply saying that there is no good deed that we could do to get to Heaven, it is by faith alone. There is absolutely no way you could take this statement and come up with the idea that God has selected people that will not be saved. I agree that God must do the first act in our salvation. He did that when he sent Jesus to die for EVERYONE's sins - past, present, and future. That's very clear. If Jesus would not have died for our sins, then we would have no chance of getting in Heaven. God offered us the chance for salvation as a gift to us - a gift we don't deserve. Because God offered us this gift, it is then up to us to decide to accept it. Those that choose to accept it will be saved and are called the believers, born-again, Christians (although this term is now used usely), followers of Christ, elect, the chosen ones, etc... It just doesn't make any sense why God would only select certain individuals to be saved. Not because I don't think it's fair (for who am I to say what God should do), but more because I just can't see it that way in the bible. There are just too many examples of it being our choice. God opened the offer of salvation up to ANYONE that would believe. |
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20 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1501 | ||
Not only did you not answer my question, you took a small portion of what I said, twisted it around and used it to start another topic. (I've been finding this very typical of people that believe that the doctrine of election refers to God choosing some to be saved and others not to be.) Since you asked about the reason for sharing Christ to others, I feel you've got the order wrong. We share Christ in hopes of bringing others to Him which will result in more people worshiping God. I back this up with the Great Commission (Matt 28:16-20) which tells us to go out and make disciples of all nations, teaching them everything about Jesus. |
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