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501 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74624 | ||
Greetings, I don't believe that babies and children are evil and destined for damnation. Since they can't repent, they have no chance of salvation, if that were the case. I know,...some people have come up with the answer that depraved children are held in a state of grace until they can know right and wrong, but I don't see that being taught in the Bible. David wasn't sinful at birth, his mother was, the world was, but he wasn't. I'm sure that Adam and Eve had those same impulses you describe to be sin in a baby, but they were not sinful. Being hungry isn't sinful, wanting to be held isn't sinful. It is the parents job to train their children in the way they should go in the future. They are not amenable to any law, but the law of mom and dad. I'm sure this stuff has been debated millions of times, and I know the ins and outs of your side, but can not agree with it. You know the Romans 5 passage that has been quoted about being in Adam and being in Christ. Well, if you are in Christ then you have life, if you are in Adam, then death (spiritual death is the apparent meaning since being in Christ doesn't free us of the consequences of being in this fleshly tent). But Christ'work on the cross doesn't automatically transfer men into a saved state unless men volunteerily 'take up their cross and follow Him.' The analogy also holds that men are not automatically in a lost state by virtue of physical birth, but only when they sin as Adam did. Adam was not held accountable to God as a child and neither are men today. When we are knowing right and wrong, like Adam, and choose to sin, like Adam, then death spreads to all men. Good day. |
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502 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74605 | ||
You write: "I have never heard any arminian say: "Boy! am I glad that I made the right choice". Why don't they? because they know in there brand new hearts that it was the work Holy Spirit and not anything that they did to merit salvation." Armenians believe in original sin, right? Armenians are wrong just as Calvinists are. Both camps hold that the child begins in the fallen, depraved state: this is wrong. You confuse a lot of issues. A person who chooses to accept God's gift doesn't turn around and think how he 'merited' salvation. Such a person understands that salvation is 'from faith to faith.' Choose to accept a gift is not the same thing as earning the same thing on one's own merits: the latter would be impossible if trying to attain salvation. "Yes Ed, we all must choose Christ if we are to be saved, but we never would have chosen Him unless we were first chosen by Him." Ed's got you here and you have to resort to this circular presentation: Yes Ed, of course you chose God, go ahead and think that you chose God, but it was because He first chose you--when you were lost and depraved and unable to choose anything spiritual. You see Ed, you just think you chose God,...er, I mean you did choose God, but only because He chose you to choose Him. :( I'm sorry Joe, but this doesn't work. Do you mean to say that no one is saved unless he is chosen by God? Do you mean to say that God's Sovereign will includes NOT choosing the majority of mankind just because? If it is all about God, and if God is full of mercy, then in your view, why doesn't He save everyone? I've already answered why He doesn't save everyone: because everyone doesn't choose even thought they could. But your view places all the responsibility on God and ultimately makes He and Adam solely responsible for all who go to hell. It has nothing to do with sinful men: they can't help it, they were born that way and God kept them that way by not sending the Holy Spirit to "accomplish it." Good day. |
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503 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74603 | ||
You know what EdB. I agree with you completely, even the part of salvation. If you have been following this thread, then you know that I believe the 'point in time' at which a person is saved is when he is immersed into Christ. I DO NOT believe in 'works' salvation, I do not believe there is any power in the water, I do not believe the person baptizing has any special power: this is why I reject the idea of baptizing infants, because they have no faith of their own. The grace of God is what saves, and he saves us through our faith. The faithless are lost. This is why there must be free will to choose salvation. Otherwise it makes God the sole determiner or who is saved. Those he gives faith to will be saved and those He doesn't give faith to will be damned. According to what JohntheReformer has been saying, the damned have been damned since birth and they stay that way by no choice of their own. According to Calvin, they inherited sin and they go to their grave with it because God did not 'elect' them. I believe in the doctrine of Election, but not in the way it is explained here on this forum page. Actually, God elected that all who would respond to the Gospel, will be saved. God is no respector of persons, He desires all men be saved, so loved the world to give all the opportunity, and his Son tasted death for (Heb.2:9). As it says in 1 John, "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world." - 1 Jn. 2:2 Among the greatest of gifts we have from God is the power to choose: it makes love and faith so much more meaningful, don't you know. Anyone who talks about Calvinist election, no choice of my own type salvation, and then talks about the love of God that overlooks the 'many' going to destruction is just blowing smoke. That ain't love. My God is a God of love. He truly wants all to be saved, His fairness makes Him provide and extend it to all through the Gospel, but His righteousness forbids Him from forcing anyone to take it. All of these verses that are quoted by John with the intended effect that we are conceived with the sin of another, are actually only talking about the state of an adult sinner. The word "nature" in Ephesians 2:3 is also used in Romans 2:15 of Gentiles, who BY NATURE did the things of the Law. Our nature is not to do evil, our nature is to make choices. We do have the same nature as Adam, who being made perfect, chose to disobey God. We have that same nature, and when we sin as Adam, then death spreads to us. Good day. |
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504 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74602 | ||
Maybe Pelangianism has been refuted-I don't have a clue what it is according to what you wrote-but you have not refuted a thing I said. I agree that in Adam we are dead, in Christ we are alive. But we are not in Adam until we sin like Adam. God does not impute one man's sin to another. The God that would damn little babies to hell for the sin of Adam is not my God, is that your God? Just curious to know. Babies don't know sin and cannot sin. Babies cannot repent and hence are not amenable. God is righteous. "The children's teeth are not set on edge" the proverb is dead. Good day. |
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505 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74492 | ||
Dear John, Man is not 'fallen' until he does as Adam did. "Death spread to all men BECAUSE ALL SINNED". Paul didn't say that death spread to all men by virtue of birth, but by giving in to the temptation as Adam did, each man falls. The only difference between man today and the first man is that Adam started full grown and did not see childhood. A child today does not have sin, but falls when reaching the age where he knows right from wrong, and chooses wrong. Everything God made was good, that also included man's ability to choose. God created man that way in a world with choices. When we today sin as Adam-and we do-then the same sentence of spiritual death falls upon us. The only thing we inherit from Adam is the physical curse. It's funny how you quote this and don't see what it is saying: "JAM 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. " Death, spiritual death, comes about in each us of when we are drawn away by our own lust. Babies don't lust. A baby that cries to be held or be fed or have a diaper change is not sinning: to say otherwise is to pervert the idea of sin. The message of the Gospel is aimed at sinner's, not children who have no sin. We teach them because some day they will need the saving grace of God. |
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506 | What about the other verses on salvation | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74356 | ||
Leaving something out? Sure, the rest of the passages on salvation. But this thread began with Romans 10:9 as the end all verse on salvation. My point was and is that to offer that one verse as the full message on salvation is 'leaving something out'; like Romans 6:3-5. Good day. |
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507 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74355 | ||
"choose ye this day whom you will serve." The right to choose, a gift from God. Anything less makes faith, love, hope, etc, just facades. If I do not choose to love God, then God is making me do it. We love, because He first loved us. Loved us in the creation, in the cross. We respond in faith, as a matter of free will. Good day. |
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508 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74354 | ||
You're a funny guy, Please don't miss the point. Circumcision is like modern day infant baptism. It is a rite performed upon an unsuspecting individual without faith. Come on, it's not that hard! Baptism is an act of faith. But then again, some people still push other Old Testament things, such as Sabbath and Tithing, so why shouldn't they go ahead and have the circumcision? Just kidding. Good day. |
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509 | Romans 10:9: is it too simple? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 74352 | ||
Dearest John, You can't have it both ways. Either man has a say in his salvation or it is completely God. The modern idea of a Sovereign God who handpicks some for salvation, others left behind, is completely false. You talk about context and then jump to the book of Acts. Huh? What you believe about the doctrine of election is false and perverts the very idea of an impartial, unbiased God. God extends the hand to every sinner, and it is incumbent upon each to reach up by faith and receive the gift. No other way makes a bit of sense. |
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510 | Romans 10:9: is it too simple? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73878 | ||
If you are right, unless God gives that empowering grace to everyone, then He is a respector of persons. God forbid! What the Bible says is that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son... Jesus tasted death for all men. The question to answer is why aren't all men saved? There are only two choices. Either God IS a respector of persons -- hence the perverted doctrine of election -- or God extends His grace to all men, and men of their free will choose to accept or reject. Behold, I stand at the door and knock... God wants everyone to be saved, and everyone could potentially be saved because the sacrifice has been made for them too. It is up to each man to hear the Gospel and obey it. "Lord, who has believed our report?" Ephesians 2:8,9 shows that God's grace reaches down and saves men of faith. Grace and faith are not the gift of God of which Paul speaks. Grace, the unmerited favor of God, is the gift. It is up to each man to choose. Good day. |
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511 | Romans 10:9: is it too simple? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73877 | ||
It's just not the whole story. Paul told the Romans a few paragraphs earlier that they were buried with Christ in baptism...so they too might walk in newness of life (Rom. 6:3-5). I have no problem with Romans 10:9,10, but it isn't everything the Bible says on salvation. Good day. |
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512 | What about the other verses on salvation | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73876 | ||
Greetings, The verses you reference are important verses and they should not be debated away. The way some people look at salvation passages is to pick some and ignore others. We who believe that salvation comes at the moment of baptism through faith in Christ also believe that "whoever believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." We who believe that to be saved, you must "arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins" see no conflict with being "saved by grace through faith." [It is therefore important that the person being baptized actually have faith in God's promises, i.e. not an infant] It is not accurate to, because passages seem to contradict, boil everything down to the lowest common denominator and consequently nullify some very important teaching on baptism: namely, the purpose of baptism. God assigns purpose. When God tells us WHY to partake of the Lord's Supper, then we have no right to make it into something else. When God gives a purpose for singing--to worship, praise, etc--, it is wrong to turn it into entertainment [what is holy is holy and not to be used for vain entertainment]. And when God assigns to baptism the purpose of uniting us with Christ into His burial and His death, no man has a right to redefine it as "an outward sign of an inward grace." Keep the faith, man. Don't give telling the truth. I appreciate you. Good day. |
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513 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73834 | ||
Dear John, Are you one who believes that predestination and election requires that the individual has no choice in it? Because what I believe is similar to what some call Arminianism, except I don't believe that we are born depraved. God's plan is predestined, and when a free will agent responds to the Gospel, he becomes one of the elect: our salvation of faith by God's choice. We become exactly what God planned, but there was no partisanship or coersion by God. God calls through the Gospel (2 thess 2:14) and we respond: We hear the Gospel, we believe it, we repent of sin, willingly confess Christ, and then are baptized to be initiated into the grace of God. Water doesn't save - but faith at the point of baptism does, which is what Peter says in 1 Peter 3:21. Peter says very clearly, "corresponding to that [that water that Noah was brought safely through] BAPTISM SAVES YOU..." All the rest of the verse is explanation how BAPTISM saves. The conclusion is apparent, Baptism is the place/point-in-time/vehicle used by God for the Believer to demonstrate his faith. When God sees the faith, He cleanses the person's soul by grace. Good day. |
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514 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73832 | ||
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515 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73693 | ||
Greeings, I wonder why you say, "making Christ BOSS" as if it is something you do. I must be misunderstanding your point because most people in this forum seem to keep saying that God and the Holy Spirit are the Ones that makes all this happen. Maybe you are agreeing with me that a prayer doesn't do it. It takes the 'obedience of faith' to bring one into a saved condition. Am I understanding you correctly? Good day. |
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516 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73691 | ||
SAVED UNREPENTANT PEOPLE!!! This verse is important, but you also have to remember the other things Paul wrote in the same letter. Good day. |
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517 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73690 | ||
Greetings, I don't have a problem with the verse you use, I just have a problem with your appication of it. The verse doesn't say we have to repent and confess or be baptized into Christ. But clearly, the Acts 2:38 passage says you must repent for the forgiveness of sins and Romans 10:9,10 says that confession is UNTO/WITH A VIEW TO salvation. I understand that God is not the author of confusing, but it is not confusing to bring Belief, Repentance, Confession, and Baptism into harmony. At the point of baptism the person is born again: just ask Saul, Acts 22:16 The baptism you describe is devoid of the meaning given it in the Holy Bible. If I understand you correctly, it is God who, essentially, makes you get baptized. So it's not about if you want to be baptized, you just will. You would have to conclude that God makes a lot of people put off their baptism for weeks, months, years, and indefinitely. How would that theory work with other doctrines. Excuse me Mr. Pastor, can I put off tithing for a time when God moves me to do it? Doesn't work. I believe different than you and I'm not confused a bit. I believe that truth convicts my heart to respond to the Gospel to be saved. In shame, I turn away from sin and turn to God. I am not yet saved. I confess in my heart and on my tongue that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. But I am not yet saved. I obey Jesus command to be baptized, wherein I am buried with Christ. The old man is buried, the new man arises to walk in newness of life. Baptism is an essential step to salvation. Good day. |
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518 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73689 | ||
Hi David, I know you asked Hank this, but let me try. Baptism is about faith. The ones you mention from the past do not now need faith, because they now see. If they left this life after living the life of faith, then they go on to their reward. NO baptism is necessary for them. On the other hand, baptism is how we demonstrate our faith in the power of God. See Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:26,27: both of these passages show the connection between water baptism, our faith, and the power of God. Good day. |
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519 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73688 | ||
From Church Manual Designed For The Use Of Baptist Churches, by J.M. Pendleton (Philadelphia: Judson Press, 1955). In a segment which addresses the “subjects” who are appropriate candidates for baptism, Pendleton was attempting to explain why baptism may not be administered in the case of infants. In a consideration of Acts 2:38, he wrote: “The gospel was preached, the people were pierced to the heart, and cried out, ‘Men and brethren, what shall we do?’ Peter replied, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you.’ No man will say that the command ‘Repent,’ is applicable to infants, and it is certain the same persons [emp. added here] were called on to repent and be baptized (p. 84). Pendleton’s concession completely devastates the argument of his Baptist colleagues. The same people called on to repent also understood they had to be baptized. Repentance and baptism are not works of merit, but works of faith. At baptism, done in faith, you are washed by the blood of Christ. As a baptized believer, I know the exact moment my God cleansed my soul. Praise the Lord! |
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520 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73310 | ||
Thanks One. Right, John 3:36 shows that "faith alone" is not the intent of John 3:16, "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not OBEY the Son wil not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." And if you follow the chapter three text, you see that baptism is under discussion. "John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there; and people were coming and were being baptized." When you understand John 3:3,5 in the context of baptism, it is not surprising to read the words, "there arose a discusion on the part of John's disciples with a jew about purification." The two water baptisms that are spoken of the in the New Testament were FOR the forgiveness of sins. Baptism is not a meritorious work, it is a work of faith. God's grace saved me when I got baptized in faith. Good day. |
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