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441 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75521 | ||
Dear John, Have you heard this one: Roses are red, violets are blue, if you ain't Gentile, then you must be Jew. Excuse me for repeating that, but I have a point. If God granted to Jew the ability to repent, and God granted to Gentiles the ability to repent, that covers everyone. God has granted it to everyone. Also, I who began this thread, do not believe in Arminianism, Pelagagianism, Calvinism, or any other 'ism.' As long as my argumentation is viewed as being one of these 'isms', then you won't hear what I'm say. The 'natural man' that you refer to from 1 Corinthians 2, can be a Christian or non-Christian. Romans 8 speaks to Christians and encourages them to set their minds on the things of the Spirit, not the things of the flesh. It is a choice. Weigh the evidence, and choose to fix your hopes on things above. The 'born again' Corinthians were very carnal, as you know. Carnal, Natural, it is all the same. They were looking at things as mere men. They were looking at things, not as spiritual men. They were, like Peter, putting man's interests ahead of God's. Peter 'stood condemned' because He chose to separate himself from the Gentiles when Jewish brethren entered the room. Paul rebuked him. Peter was caught in a sin and he was 'called down' for it. Sin is a choice, just like love and faith. We choose to love, we choose to put our faith in God, and not in the things of this world. "God gave the right to become children of God" to those who choose to receive Him. That's Bible, that's good news! It isn't good news if the Gospel isn't for all because Christ atonement was a 'limited atonement' or because 'spiritual separation' and the certain destruction is inherited. Have a good day. I must go to bed. |
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442 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75520 | ||
Dear John, Have you heard this one: Roses are red, violets are blue, if you ain't Gentile, then you must be Jew. Excuse me for repeating that, but I have a point. If God granted to Jew the ability to repent, and God granted to Gentiles the ability to repent, that covers everyone. God has granted it to everyone. Also, I who began this thread, do not believe in Arminianism, Pelagagianism, Calvinism, or any other 'ism.' As long as my argumentation is viewed as being one of these 'isms', then you won't hear what I'm say. The 'natural man' that you refer to from 1 Corinthians 2, can be a Christian or non-Christian. Romans 8 speaks to Christians and encourages them to set their minds on the things of the Spirit, not the things of the flesh. It is a choice. Weigh the evidence, and choose to fix your hopes on things above. The 'born again' Corinthians were very carnal, as you know. Carnal, Natural, it is all the same. They were looking at things as mere men. They were looking at things, not as spiritual men. They were, like Peter, putting man's interests ahead of God's. Peter 'stood condemned' because He chose to separate himself from the Gentiles when Jewish brethren entered the room. Paul rebuked him. Peter was caught in a sin and he was 'called down' for it. Sin is a choice, just like love and faith. We choose to love, we choose to put our faith in God, and not in the things of this world. "God gave the right to become children of God" to those who choose to receive Him. That's Bible, that's good news! It isn't good news if the Gospel isn't for all because Christ atonement was a 'limited atonement' or because 'spiritual separation' and the certain destruction is inherited. Have a good day. I must go to bed. |
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443 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75519 | ||
Hank, I don't get your point. I'm a little slow here. I would like at least a litte response if you have time. Thanks. | ||||||
444 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75518 | ||
Dear Tim, You were doing fine until this point: "Yet, in v. 5, he acknowledges something which is just as important - that his sin is not some aberration, but an expression of his nature from conception on." This is pure commentary. He cannot be saying what is not true. He must be saying something else. Psalm 58:3 does NOT affirm the same truth. There the unrighteous are liars, the enemies of David are liars from birth. But not David. Psalm 58:3 is exaggeration to say the unrighteous have always been evil. Tim, the 'depraved, sinful nature' doctrine seen as true because ALL sin. "If sin isn't inherited, then why is sin universal?" This argument, though you haven't made it here, would also have to explain why Adam sinned. I prefer to say that Adam sinned by the nature God gave, a free will nature. We too, like Adam, have free will and we sin. It doesn't take a corrupted nature to make man sin: Adam is proof of that. Good day. |
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445 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75517 | ||
Dear Tim and John, Is there some question as to what 'spiritual death' entails? If the Ephesians were 'dead in their trespasses and sins', and without hope and God in the world, then doesn't 'spiritual death' mean what Isaiah 59:1,2 says, a separation between God and the sinner, lost? And what about the atonement. You don't believe in the Limited Atonement, do you? Jesus died and tasted death for all men. That is not empty words, God meant it when He said He loved the world. God truly does desire that ALL be saved. ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT....but God has provided a means of salvation for all. The gift has to be offered to ALL men or God is a liar: AND GOD IS NOT A LIAR. "LET GOD BE TRUE.." |
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446 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75515 | ||
Hank, "I may be right"? You strike me as a person who is intellectually honest. So go ahead and say it, you know I'm right [at least on this point]. The NIV does put too much of their dogma into the text. As they clearly did in Psalm 51:5. Good day. |
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447 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75514 | ||
The response I make is that you start with a good translation. Let's be honest here, an inferior translation the NIV is. Could I teach the Gospel to someone with it, sure. Could I teach the Gospel to someone with the Living Bible, sure. But I don't recommend it. The translation is inferior, that is my point. So why should I try to argue against a translation that we know is inferior to the NASB? The NASB, Psalm 51:5 passage doesn't say David was sinful. To say otherwise is just commentary and speculation. Good day. |
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448 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:19 | disciplerami | 75513 | ||
Dear John, It is such a stretch to draw a connection between man being the head of the family and being the one who passes on hereditary sin. That is pure speculation. It's a guess. It's a theory. But it doesn't hold up. Such a theory makes John 3:16 mean absolutely nothing,zero,nada for those God has not elected [according to Calvin's idea of election]. Honestly, if you theory was right, God doesn't so love the world because to some He gives eternal life, to most He doesn't. The result, the majority go to hell because of Adam's guilt and God's failure to offer the gift of faith (i.e. the supposed gift of faith, Eph 2:8,9, is really talking about the gift of Grace, but most people go ahead and make faith the gift too. Therefore, to whoever He gives the faith, they will be saved. To whoever He doesn't give the gift of faith, they are doomed). About election. Plenty is said in the Bible about predestination and election. But it does not mean what most people say it does. God's plan is predestined. All who conform--by fiath--to that plan, shall be saved. God predestined that men will be saved by the blood of Christ, but He did not handpick exactly who would be handpicked. With this said, it is popular to bring up instances where Paul was chosen by God to be an apostle, etc. That is different. God knows, by omniscience, who will choose to obey. But He does not coopt their free will. In other words, Paul could have ignored Jesus on the road to Damascus, he could have ignored God's plan that he be the apostle to the Gentiles. Free will is one of the greatest gifts from God. But with it comes responsibility. Without free will, there is no responsibility. Good night, sleep tight. |
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449 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75512 | ||
Excuse me Hank, but talk about shifting the argument. But I have to agree, I might trust the NIV to get the truth across before I would trust the 'dogma' put in these posts: for example, where do 'confessions of faith, catechisms, creeds, etc' come from? It is true that we must constantly check our beliefs, comparing them with Scripture. That said, let's not turn into apologists for inferior translations. The 'dynamic equivalency' term is an inaccurate term. The searcher of truth needs the best translation possible. The passage that John (I beleive it was John, sorry if it wasn't) quoted in Psalm 51 doesn't say what he said it said. There is a difference between what the NIV and NASB says. I trust the NASB. Likewise, the NASB more accurately portrays the 1 Peter 3:21 passage: baptism is an appeal to God for a clean conscience, it (baptism) saves you through the resurrection of Jesus. Baptism is clearly the point in time at which the grace of God saves. Baptismal water has no power, in and of itself. The work of man has no power to save, in an of itself. But 'works' are necessary to show one's faith in Jesus Christ atoning work at Calvary. One man says you are saved even before faith, another says, no, salvation happens at the first spark of belief. Another says, Romans 10:9,10, says it all. Another says, what about Repentance, will God save an unrepentant person? Another person says it is at the point of Baptism: 'why do you delay, arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on His name' (Acts 22:16). MY FAITH IS NOT IN MY WORKS, BUT I WILL SHOW MY GOD MY FAITH BY MY WORKS. |
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450 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:19 | disciplerami | 75510 | ||
The Bible does say that 'no one is righteous', but He's not talking about children. Sin is not committed by those who can't possibly know between right and wrong. A mentally handicapped person, for example, does not sin. To sin, you must be capable of knowing right and wrong--as Adam did when he chose to sin. The Bible is directed at us sinners, not little children. The kingdom of heaven belongs to 'such as these.' It is we who need to become as children. They are innocent. They are not defiled. This is what pains me about your doctrine. Little children are sweet and innocent. They all come into the world with so much potential. They come into it clean and have a chance for eternal life. God is no respector of persons and desires that they all be saved. But not so according to this 'DEPRAVITY' doctrine--which I find evil. No, according to the doctrine of depravity, a child is damned to hell, quite literally [and please don't give me any business about how they are graciously covered by God until they reach a certain age, because Calvinism doesn't provide for that--Calvinism, when honestly related doesn't give children an ounce of hope unless they are the lucky few who are beneficiaries of God's whim, i.e. 'election'] because they inherited Adam's sin through their daddy's DNA. They are doomed from the start. They are doomed because Calvinist believe that God only miraculously saves some at an appointed time in their lives. The rest stay in darkness, in their depravity and they sin because of the nature they inherited. I'm sorry, but this doctrine of Depravity is not of God. God is full of compassion, He is fair, He desires that all men be saved (1 Tim 2:1-5), Jesus is the mediator for all men, He tasted death for all men (Heb. 2:9), He is the Savior of the world, especially of those who believe. TRUE OR FALSE: God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes should not perish, but have everlasting life. TRUE OR FALSE: God so loved the world, but only the few whom God sends His 'irrestible grace' to have any chance of salvation. |
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451 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:19 | disciplerami | 75507 | ||
Where is the Scripture, John? "The sin is passed down through the head of the family, the husband." What is the text that shows this? Genetic sin? I don't think so. Unless you can show me that there is no distinction between the soul and the DNA, you have no case. Good day. |
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452 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 75484 | ||
Sniper, Great Answer! This is what I've been trying to get across. Baptism that is an attempt to save yourself is futile, but baptism that is a demonstration of faith is what God has commanded. I'm glad one or two people on this forum are in agreement with me. Good day. By the way sniper, I like the name. |
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453 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 75480 | ||
Hi SRP, Do you know that the water Baptism 'that now saves you' is the ANTITYPE of the water that Noah was brought safely through? Noah's salvation is a perfect example of Salvation by Grace THROUGH Faith. God provided the instructions or directions for salvation, but Noah had to build the ark. God's grace saved eight people who had the faith to get in the boat. The ANTITYPE of that is the Baptism Jesus commanded in Matthew 28 and Mark 16, water baptism. Good day. |
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454 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 75479 | ||
Hi CMoore, The baptism you refer to in point 6 is water baptism, right? And it is to "wash away thy sins", right? (Acts 22:16). Thanks. |
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455 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 75478 | ||
But it says, "baptism now saves you" It doesn't say that you were saved before the baptism. Good day. |
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456 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75475 | ||
I respectfully say that I don't care about the NET Bible's commentary on the subject. That is not what the verse says. And the NIV is inferior, as most people will attest. The NASB is the closest thing we have to a word-for-word translation. The NIV translators put too much of their dogma into the text. |
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457 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 75471 | ||
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458 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:19 | disciplerami | 75469 | ||
Greetings, "We know from our understanding of various life processes, that certain substances are essential for the proper functioning of our bodies. Obviously, there was something that the Tree of Life provided that was necessary for immortality as well. So,without the Tree of Life, physical death became a reality for man." Thank you for making MY point. The physical death came about because God barred them from the Tree of Life. You have said nothing to counter my point that SPIRITUAL DEATH resulted from the sin. You write: "I BELIEVE...A CHANGE OCCURRED IN THEIR PHYSICAL BODIES AS WELL." I respectfully say that you have no proof. The physical repurcussions are connected to being barred from the TREE OF LIFE,LIFE,LIFE,LIFE. Without it, physical DEATH followed. Are you serious, you believe that sin is genetic? ... A POSSIBILITY TO CONSIDER IS THTA THE SIN-TAINTED GENOME IS ALWAYS PASSED FROM THE MALE (ADAM) ANDD THEREFORE, THEREFORE, THE GENETIC MATERIAL PASSED TO CHRIST FROM MARY WAS WITHOUT THE ADAMIC TAINT." I respectfully disagree with your explanation. The word SIN has to do with the transgression or disobedience to God. Sin is an ACT, NOT A STATE OF BEING. Only those who have sinned can rightly be called sinners. This doctrine you offer is very confusing since it doesn't seem to be rooted in Scripture. 1 John 3:4 "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness." Sure, I grant you that the Bible says 'all have sinned.' But the import of those statement is that all of us break God's commandments, we are unrighteous. If your doctrine of depravity were true, and God judged such depraved individuals to hell, it would be like blaming a Down child for his condition. Remember those children grow up and they still have the 'sinful' nature that you describe. It can be argued that the adult who is sinning is doing the only thing he can possibly do. He is tainted and it would wrong for God to punish him for it. I appeal to you to rethink this issue. It makes sense to say that we do not have a sin nature, we have the same nature as Adam. As he chose to sin, we do too. In the day that we sin, we die [spiritually]. We already were dying physically because the physical genetic makeup has been altered. |
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459 | disciplerami, Is being born, iniquity? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75446 | ||
"Apparently you do not get it." I'm only trying to teach the truth, and I'm sorry to have brought out such a spirit in you. Accept my apologies. Maybe others will be more patient. You offer two choice: 'either conception was sin or I was a sinner at that time.' It is convenient that you limit the possibilities of its meaning, but not accurate. Maybe his mother was sinful, maybe the world in which he was born into was sinful. Why would I accept your interpretation when others exist? Why would I interpret David's word to be saying, "I inherited someone else's sins"? Sorry, that just doesn't fit the Gospel message. Each man has free will and the Gospel is for ALLLLLLLL. God is not a respector or persons, as He desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. How can I take God's 'desire' seriously if He doesn't make a good faith offer of salvation to all men? If people come into the world depraved and stay in that condition because God DIDN'T ELECT THEM, that is not a sincere offering at all! God gives everyone the same chance. If he opens the eyes of one man, to be fair, He must open the eyes of all men. He does so through the preaching of the message. Each man is then responsible for accepting or rejecting it. Good day. p.s. I understand I won't hear from you again on this matter, and I'm indeed sorry. |
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460 | Is sin inherited from father and mother? | Rom 5:19 | disciplerami | 75445 | ||
"Verse 12 clearly attributes the fact that sin is present because Adam fell. Adam is the federal head of all who are born into this world and were all present "in Adam" from the beginning. Mankind is "the seed of Adam". The Bible teaches that unclean things cannot produce clean things nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. When Adam fell, we all fell." What about Mary, did she produce a clean child? Just curious. Hereditary sin does not come unless we act like Adam. Adam sinned even though he was NOT depraved. We too, choose to sin even though we are not depraved. Once we sin, then we are depraved. This is not too hard to understand. |
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