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481 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22410 | ||
Michael, 1. I would like to clarify that when I tried to defend my stand, I am using the new testament. Because I understand that in the Old testament, tithing is Legal and Jewish people that are required to give. 2.Did you propose a new discussion points, I am sorry I could really see the relations of your post in tithing. I agree with you that the new covenant is the "Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the (new covenant) in My blood. " So what is your point? Thanks, Johnny |
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482 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22411 | ||
Charis, Did I state that giving is not pleasing to God? What I mentioned here many times that if you can give more than 10 percent of your income it is acceptable to God. What wrong with this guideline of giving. I gave you the example of the widow, that mentioned of Jesus Christ, she gave everything she have, it is very clear that in the motive she gave more than a tithe. You quote me here,: In principle of this law remains, and is incorporated in the gospel (1Co 9:13-14); and if, as is the case, the motive that ought to prompt to liberality in the cause of religion and of the service of God be greater now than in Old Testament times, Of course the motive now of a Christian is more than what we have in the Old Testament times "In principle of this laws remains" of course do you think When we observed the two Great Commandments do we disobey the law? Please Answer.(with a passages support) We are fulfilling more, you would agree? When you love God with all your heart, with all your strenght, all your soul, what is it in the law did disobey? Please Answer? (with a passages support) When you love your nieghbor as you love yourself, What is it the law that you disobey? Pleas answer (with a passages support) That is why in principle this laws remains. I think it is very clear. The example of Apostle Paul is a very strong statement that the motive of Christian is strong in the Testament. The example of the widow is a very clear example that love offering is more acceptable to GOD. Your Question: This sounds just like asking for money, maybe even 'requiring' it! Also, these do not sound like your words. May I ask who you quote here? ' Can you prove to me that I mentioned that in the New Testament we dont need to give anymore? What I mentioned is the guideline should be came from the heart. I did not mention anything that we dont need to give, But my stand is God love a cheerful giver. Charis, Can you please prove me that I misused the scriptures when I depend my stand. You always mentioned "your point" can we turn this discussion into a biblical? meaning when you depend your stand support it with a passages in the Bibble. We are not arguing here just based on on personal knowledge but what scriptures says. If your stand is truly correct then support it with the passages in the Scriptures. You keep ignoring my argument my friend, My argument is, please show me that Jesus Christ taught his desciple to give tithes to Him. Or He required Himself as an Example to do so, like when He required himself when He asked John to baptize Him. Then I would agree that the tithe is the right guidelines of giving. I hope you wont ignore it this time. Thanks anyway for mentioning that I have a "DEZZYING INTELLECT" just prove your stand base on scriptures not with your own toughts. We have to look to the authorize of the books in the bible and not with our own reason. If you can prove me wrong base on the scriptures, then I will accept THAT I HAVE A "DEZZYING INTELLECT" God bless! Johnny |
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483 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22416 | ||
Charis, You said, No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,' because I really don't know what you are trying to say, When you answer my note to (i dont recall) I am sure that You understand that my understanding of tithe is 10 percent. As a matter of fact the title of this question and answer is "release from 10 percent". What is tithe for you? it is 10 percent or not? If tithe is the same as love offering why Jesus Christ gave another guidelines. When you teach that tithe is an attitude of the heat what do you mean of this did you tell to co-churches that it is the same of love offering, or you tell to them that it is the ten percent of thier income. (i dont know if it is gross or net) You also mentioned that you dont understand what I am trying to say. Or you dont want to understand it. I gave the example of a widow, I know if you are a pastor (or whatsoever title that you have in your church)I know you read that passages and I know you understand it. That is the guideline, there is no require amount. You also mentioned "No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,'" Why? it seems you afraid that you cannot defend tithe using the scriptures, instead you want to convince me with your story. If I am in the discusion I am always try to defend my stand using scriptures and not using fairy tales. If you want to convince me, try to convince me using passages in the Bible. Like what I mentioned if you recall, if anyone can show me that Jesus Christ included tithe in His teaching, "I am ready to embrace that teaching again" This is my challenge to you now, show me. Our topic here is "TITHE" it is really in the Bible. I am interested in this topic because it is in the bible. I will not participating here in this forum for other things that not included in the bible. What is it you trying to prove? If you arguing me with your own knowledge, I will not be interested anymore, just prove me wrong using the scriptures and not with your own conclusions. Now if the tithe for you is not a ten percent, what is it for you? because if it is a ten percent, then you required people to give 10 percent of thier income. If you can answer what is tithe for you, is ten percent or not I think we can start a new discussion. But I really sure you understand it in the beggining of this discussion because it is the title of the question. My argument is very simple, but you did not try to disprove it. Again Here is my agrument: Please show me that Jesus Christ required himself to Give tithe. Or you can show me that He taught to His desciple to gave tithes. He required Himself to be baptize by John to set an example to us. If the tithe is a right guidelines why Jesus Christ dont do it as an example? Please disprove my stand using passages in the scriptures and not with your own. If you prove you are right using the scriptures then I would agree. When you taught people in the pulpit I am sure you taught them using the scriptures, why not trying to teach me using the scriptures? Just prove to me that I am wrong, but please use passages in the scriptures. I know you keep ignoring my argument, but I hope you are ready to answer it this time. I am not trying to offend you with the kind of questions, Just disprove them using the scriptures and I would agree. |
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484 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22418 | ||
Charis, You said, No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,' because I really don't know what you are trying to say, When you answer my note to (i dont recall) I am sure that You understand that my understanding of tithe is 10 percent. As a matter of fact the title of this question and answer is "release from 10 percent". What is tithe for you? it is 10 percent or not? If tithe is the same as love offering why Jesus Christ gave another guidelines. When you teach that tithe is an attitude of the heat what do you mean of this did you tell to co-churches that it is the same of love offering, or you tell to them that it is the ten percent of thier income. (i dont know if it is gross or net) You also mentioned that you dont understand what I am trying to say. Or you dont want to understand it. I gave the example of a widow, I know if you are a pastor (or whatsoever title that you have in your church)I know you read that passages and I know you understand it. That is the guideline, there is no require amount. You also mentioned "No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,'" Why? it seems you afraid that you cannot defend tithe using the scriptures, instead you want to convince me with your story. If I am in the discusion I am always try to defend my stand using scriptures and not using fairy tales. If you want to convince me, try to convince me using passages in the Bible. Like what I mentioned if you recall, if anyone can show me that Jesus Christ included tithe in His teaching, "I am ready to embrace that teaching again" This is my challenge to you now, show me. Our topic here is "TITHE" it is really in the Bible. I am interested in this topic because it is in the bible. I will not participating here in this forum for other things that not included in the bible. What is it you trying to prove? If you arguing me with your own knowledge, I will not be interested anymore, just prove me wrong using the scriptures and not with your own conclusions. Now if the tithe for you is not a ten percent, what is it for you? because if it is a ten percent, then you required people to give 10 percent of thier income. If you can answer what is tithe for you, is ten percent or not I think we can start a new discussion. But I really sure you understand it in the beggining of this discussion because it is the title of the question. My argument is very simple, but you did not try to disprove it. Again Here is my agrument: Please show me that Jesus Christ required himself to Give tithe. Or you can show me that He taught to His desciple to gave tithes. He required Himself to be baptize by John to set an example to us. If the tithe is a right guidelines why Jesus Christ dont do it as an example? Please disprove my stand using passages in the scriptures and not with your own. If you prove you are right using the scriptures then I would agree. When you taught people in the pulpit I am sure you taught them using the scriptures, why not trying to teach me using the scriptures? Just prove to me that I am wrong, but please use passages in the scriptures. I know you keep ignoring my argument, but I hope you are ready to answer it this time. I am not trying to offend you with the kind of questions, Just disprove them using the scriptures and I would agree. |
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485 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22433 | ||
Charis, I dont know if the term colect is right. We are not regularly collect, any members are open they can give anytime they want. It is in them if they have something to offer. The only announcement that I heard that the leader of church asking help is when that convention center is about to finish. After that it is in the member if how often they want to help the church. And the church survive. Those who can help big we know that they are capable of doing it, there is no special treatment for them just like how important every member was. God bless, Johnny |
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486 | Philippines? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22456 | ||
Hank, Yes I am from Philippines. You are right my favorite book in the Bible is the letter to the churches in the philippines. English is almost the second language for me although I accepted that I am not too good in writing it. My native tougue is Visayan my father has a little blood of Spanish. I am very happy to hear that you did sponsored a young child here in our country, we need more people like you here. Philippines is the only Christian country in this part of the world, but our politics is too much "dirty" so to speak. There are too many religions here now (I am happy for it) although most of Filipinos are catholic. Thanks for the note. God bless, Johnny |
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487 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22459 | ||
Charis, People can give during fellowship if they want, if they have no money it okay that what I mean of we are not collecting regularly. We can give every fellowship (sunday)but we are not require people. We are the one go to the love offering box if we have something to offer. Thanks again, God bless, Johnny If it is okay can I ask you what is your Nationality/where did you came from.By the way Hank write me a note when He knows that I came from Phil. |
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488 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22460 | ||
Charis, People can give during fellowship if they want, if they have no money it okay that what I mean of we are not collecting regularly. We can give every fellowship (sunday)but we are not require people. We are the one go to the love offering box if we have something to offer. Thanks again, God bless, Johnny If it is okay can I ask you what is your Nationality/where did you came from.By the way Hank write me a note when He knows that I came from Phil. |
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489 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22461 | ||
Michael, Thanks, I but still, I dont see the relation of this to our discussion. What we start is if really the tithes is still the requirements for the Christians. Because my stand is As Christian we are not binding the law of Moses, and law will not justify us: Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Thank you and God Bless, Johnny |
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490 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22595 | ||
Michael Before we start this discussion let me put some clarifications. 1. In your own understanding, what is tithe for you. It is a ten percent of your income (net/gross)? 2. Or it is the same as love offering that was mentioned in the new testament. If your answer is it is the 10 ten percent of your income, then I will try to prove (with scriptures supporting it) to you that this teaching is different from the teaching of Jesus Christ. Just to clear my stand, I mentioned it many times when I have a discussion regading tithes, that giving is not wrong but there is no required amount it is not 10 percent or 20 percent of your income, but what porposes of your heart because God love a cheerful giver. In your second question. Again let me ask some clarifications Are you talking of "New Testament" or "NEW COVENANT" To make sure that we both agree, on which we are going to Begin our discussion. TESTAMENT: occurs twelve times in the New Testament (Heb 9:15, etc.) as the rendering of the Gr. diatheke, which is twenty times rendered "covenant" in the Authorized Version, and always so in the Revised Version. The Vulgate translates incorrectly by testamentum, whence the names "Old" and "New Testament," by which we now designate the two sections into which the Bible is divided. COVENANT: a contract or agreement between two parties. In the Old Testament the Hebrew word berith is always thus translated. Berith is derived from a root which means "to cut," and hence a covenant is a "cutting," with reference to the cutting or dividing of animals into two parts, and the contracting parties passing between them, in making a covenant (Ge 15:1-21; Jer 34:18-19). Michael, dont think that I am direct it to the point, I want to make sure that we both agree on which we are going to begin our discussion. Thanks also for your patient. God Bless, Johnny |
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491 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22623 | ||
Michael, You stated this. "When I am defending free will giving I do not refer to the gospels because it is the teachings after the cross that I apply to my life. This understanding of law and grace has really free me from confusion and a lack of understanding of who I have become in Christ." You are right! when are the one who give there is no problem, if you can give more that 10 or 20 percent of your income to God and it is a purposes of you heart God will be happy for that. But what if you are the one who requires you people to give the 10 percent of thier income? We have a problem here. I think we have to know the guidelines of what Jesus want us to do. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If we read that passages carefully, Jesus says "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" because they are the one who are very strick to collect tihes. It is the blame is for them. So if the pastors required people to give 10 percent of their income to the church, then that pastors is the same of that scribes and pharisees! Because we all know that the teaching of Jesus Christ on guidelines of giving are more love offering not to required people to give thier ten percent. You also mentioned this:"I do believe tithing was part of the mosaic law and also before the law was established(Abraham tithed to Melchizedek)." Actually I do believed that if this happened in the time of New Testament it will not tolerated. If we read that verse from Ge 14:17, Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. I dont think Jesus Christ will tolerated anyone to slaughter any person good or bad and took thier goods and give the tithe to God. Thank you, and God bless, Johnny |
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492 | Did Christ forsake Himself | 2 Cor 13:14 | jlpangilinan | 113246 | ||
Kindly understand the question, before commenting into it. Your answer is mile different. I will ask it again. If Jesus Christ and the Father is the same Person as you believed could you please explain this verse to me. Mr 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Christ said, it His Father knew the time of His second coming, if they are the same Person how could it be? He must know that information. Please explain. Another thing. Mr 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Did Christ praying to another Person or Himself? Did He forsake Himself? Please explain. God bless, |
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493 | Did Christ forsake Himself | 2 Cor 13:14 | jlpangilinan | 113249 | ||
So who is the Father? different Person. I will put more verses here. Mt 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: Mt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. If they are the same Person Why God the Father speak from heaven, while christ is in the river, the voice should said "this is me whom I am well pleased." Quote "Prior to this Jesus did not exist. end of quote" you are terrible wrong, Jesus Christ was the Alpha and Omega, how dare you saying that He did not exist prior to that galatians 4:4 Re 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Pr 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: God bless, |
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494 | Did Christ forsake Himself | 2 Cor 13:14 | jlpangilinan | 113250 | ||
Jcsav, I hope you can answer my question about the "oneness". I hope you can explain those. If Jesus Christ and the Father is the same Person as you believed could you please explain this verse to me. Mr 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Christ said, it His Father knew the time of His second coming, if they are the same Person how could it be? He must know that information. Please explain. Another thing. Mr 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Did Christ praying to another Person or Himself? Did He forsake Himself? Please explain. God bless, |
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495 | Door-to-door false teachers | Gal 1:8 | jlpangilinan | 63433 | ||
Hank, it just a part of my joke,and not a serious advice. I am happy to hear from you again, my friend. God bless, Johnny |
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496 | Bootstrap Salvation? | Eph 2:8 | jlpangilinan | 63920 | ||
Doing good works is a christian is you do it not to be save but because you love God and you have faith in God! As abraham did when he ready to sacrifice isaac, he do it because he God more than isaac, and he have great faith in God as he believed that he can have child even the womb of sarah is dead already. Even so faith if it hath not works, is dead James is right, because if the person has faith in God it expected that you do the good things as an output of your being have faith but you did not do the goodworks to gain salvation. You do good works because you love God and you observe what God commanded you. Mr 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Mr 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. God bless, Johnny |
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497 | Is the Law abolished or not? | Eph 2:15 | jlpangilinan | 57970 | ||
As I said if we follow the Christ example of observing the commandments, we are not abolishing the law but fulfilling it with the deep meaning. I dont really sure if you agree with me or not. You said"we still have an obligation through service to obey the law." My question to you is how did you obey the law? Did you observe it like what Christ did, or observed it like the people of old testament does. I want to clarify some things, when you obey the law did you observe these: 1. Kill your brother or sisters by stone if you saw them gathering stick in the day of sabbath? 2. Stone to death those who commit adultery. 3. Not eating pork and other food that the law forbid. 4. Did you observed everything under the law? If you forget any of them this is what Christ said: Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Please answer thos questions and then we maybe continue the discussion God bless, |
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498 | Is the Law abolished or not? | Eph 2:15 | jlpangilinan | 57972 | ||
McGracer, You are welcome! You said"I just find that I cannot consistently do it." That is true, the two commandments is very hard to follow, but we have to do our best to follow Christ, dont worry that is my problem too. Just keep doing our part and let the lord God help us. God bless, Johnny |
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499 | Is the Law abolished or not? | Eph 2:15 | jlpangilinan | 57974 | ||
You said" There is no "obligation" or duty of obedience (for any reason) after Jesus's death... he fulfilled that TOTALLY with his blood." No! there is obligation, following Christ is our obligation as a Christian. If you have faith in Him you should have a good fruit as your output as a following of Him. Here is our duty now: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Loving God is your duty and responsibility Loving your nieghbor is indeed a responsibility. God bless, Johnny |
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500 | Is the Law abolished or not? | Eph 2:15 | jlpangilinan | 57988 | ||
No! they are not conflict and contradict each other. Christ fulfilling the law with a deep and meaning, it is totally different what moses taught in his people in the old testament time. Christ said he come to fulfill the law, but He done works that punisheable by death inside the law If we remember that law forbid to do works in sabbath day. Christ did He did healing and other works in sabbath: Mt 12:1 ¶ At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. t 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; If we think that Christ breaking the law by doing those things, He is imprudent and contradict Himself in matt 15:17 In Ephesians 2:15 He abolished it by freeing us to the works of law and not disobeying the law! He free us in sacrificial like lamb, cow and other animals by making Himself a ultimate offering. By His death we are free from the law. For example, in the old testament gathering stick in the day of sabbath is punisheable by death. We have to stone our brother and sister if they do this in the day of sabbath Christ free us from this kind of practices and works of the law. We dont have to stone somebody if we caught them commiting adultery. Those are some works of the law that Christ free us by His death. Christ abolishing the law by freeing us in the works of the law but not disobeying the law. If we remember that Christ give us the two great commandments, If we observe this two commandments there is no single teaching of the law we disobeying. Christ fulfilling the law by observing the two commandments. God bless, Johnny |
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