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441 | Is it what God does, or HOW He does it? | 1 Cor 14:33 | jlpangilinan | 46848 | ||
Can you prove your answers with passages support. can you explain the passages quoted. God bless, Johnny |
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442 | Is it what God does, or HOW He does it? | 1 Cor 14:33 | jlpangilinan | 46934 | ||
I asked to prove it with passages support, what is wrong with that. This is a bible forum it is not enough that you will argue with me with your word and not coming from the scriptures. When someone said yes you have to explain why it yes, then if you have the proof that the only time that we believed to the statement from both side. Dont expect me to believed in everything mentioned here in the forum without support. God bless, Johnny |
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443 | Jesus cast into hell?? | 1 Cor 15:3 | jlpangilinan | 82960 | ||
Hank, Very well God bless, |
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444 | Jesus cast into hell?? | 1 Cor 15:3 | jlpangilinan | 83129 | ||
Graceful, Hanks cited some word in the Bible which he used to back up his statement, and I can find that quotation easily, it is not mean he dont put the whole verses it is not from the bible. You quoted John 16:3, do you think because hank did put a whole verses when he quoted "it is finish" hank already speak about himself. Hank simply exaplain about the redemption by Christ and not of himself. Did hank praise himself or Christ? I hope you understand the verse that you quoted. God bless, |
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445 | Jesus cast into hell?? | 1 Cor 15:3 | jlpangilinan | 83218 | ||
So, are saying that what hanks said is wrong? God bless, |
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446 | Jesus cast into hell?? | 1 Cor 15:3 | jlpangilinan | 83499 | ||
It is your choice graceful, no one can change that. God bless, |
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447 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63396 | ||
Did somebody required abraham to give? NO! he gave it as purposes of the heart no one required him to give but he gave. tithes under the law required Israel to give to the levites, the same us many pastors of today they taught that works is not a requirements for salvation, but required thier members to give the tithes. Where did abraham get from His tithes anyway? Ge 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. 17. Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. Do you think Christ will allow that action today? Do you think He will be happy if im going to kill my enemies took thier goods and give tithes to Him? Please answer. Just show me that Christ has a single teaching that will require us to give tithes and not love offering. Show me a single scriptures in the new testament that Christ required anyone to give tithes to Him. Tithes is important to the Jewish religion, the authority to recieve the tithes was given to the levites, not for you not for me but to the levites and his decendants: Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Are you a Jew? a descendants of levi? then you have the authority to require your people to give tithes. God bless, Johnny |
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448 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63416 | ||
I am not against tithing, our church required us to give love offering not tithes. We have a basis why we teach that tithes is not for the Christian but only for the jews. Some of my basis is in the previous post to you but unfortunately you did not answers those or disprove those. What you did is to quote one verse to another to response my post but not really answers it. I asked you about where the abraham get his tithes? If Jesus Christ will happy with that kind of giving you ignore to answer it. I challenge you to give me any single teaching of Christ that He required anyone to give tithes to Him you again ignore them. It is very easy just show me that Christ has a teaching that required anyone to give tithes to Him and I am convince that tithes is for the Christian today. Here in you post you quoted mal 3:10 gives the blessing for those that tithe and you want your blessing! If your logic is this, then you are telling that Apostle Paul dont have any blessing because none in the new testament that Paul give tithes but love offering, he help his people being a tentmaker. all of the desciples never give thier tithes to Jesus Christ, if your logic is correct then they have no blessing at all after so many things that they have done because they never give tithes! Mal 3:10 indeed is for the jew: If you started at verse 6: Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. He is talking to the people of Israel! not you not me but for the people of Israel, that is why I am asking you in my previous post if you are a jew. Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Tithes is very part of the law it was given specifically to them take a look at this verse: De 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. De 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. It was mentioned there "The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day" "not with thier fathers" even thier father is not included in that covenant. "but with us, even us, who are all alive this day" are we alive at that time? and you are claiming that we are part of that covenant? I hope you will answers my point. Because I am really answer your point Paul said law of moses cannot justify us, and tithe is very part of the law, meaning tithe cannot justify us. Or you can prove to me that tithe is not part of the law of moses? That show me my friend, any single teaching of Christ that He required anyone to give tithes to Him and we will agree. God bless, Johnny |
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449 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63432 | ||
Of course EdB, if you alow me to tell you some story about our church here in the Philippines. Our church did not require us to give tithes our brother (we call him brother He is not want to call him pastor or reverend just brother as Christ said in Mat) We usually give as purposes of our heart some can give big amount some small. We have members that cannot give at all, those who are stayed in our home for the aged. Yes we have community of disable members. We have a national convention center worth 600 Million pesos (12M dollors)this convention center has our hospital and other facilities that can help our most unfurunate members. We have food there. If some time the typoon hit some area this convention center usually used for shelter for member and non member. The land that occupied of the convention center is family owned of our preacher but he donated it to the church, even his home and cars that he owned He donated it to the church so it is now property of the church. He is a very good example to us, when that convention center started He tried to build that in his own money it is 80 percent finished when He asked help from us to finish the convention center because our old center is too small for us. Our preacer and leader of the church has there own job to support thier family they dont get thier salaries from the church. Our church has more than 2 million in the philippines and thousand from other part of the world, we support our church and our fellow members. Philippines is one of the developing countries we have many poor people here, but I proudly say that none in our members died because they have no food because we support each members and number one for that noble job is our beloved brother (preacher) we enable to support our church but not requiring our member to give tithes but love offering. Our preacher always remind us of the life of apostle paul that the paul is not burdensome to his people, it is paul try to provide for the church, and he tried to do the same thing. 2Co 12:13 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong. 2Co 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. 14. 2Co 12:15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. the verses above is an inspiration to us. Thanks for time, God bless, Johnny |
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450 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63588 | ||
We support the church the way we can, but as I said love offering is the way we give as a doctrine of our church. Paul said that we have to give in purposes of the heart. not ten pewrcent but any purposes of the heart. You said"Do you believe a workman is worth his hire? In other words if someone provides a service for you do they deserved to be paid?" My andwer: if in spiritual manner we believed in "freely receive you freely give" as Jesus Christ mentioned to His desciples. Do you believe you should support the ministry? If so how much should be set aside to give? What portion of your income should be used to support the church? The pastor? the ministry? As I said in my previous post, our pastor (brother preacher) has thier own job, they receive thier salary from thier job or business, they dont get thier income from the church. The discourage anyone to receive salary from the money of the church. We give to the ministry not to shoulder the salary of our pastors but to provide help to our unfurunate members, and the other needs of the ministry. Our founder so to speak (of course Jesus Christ is the founder of the Church) run his business such as restaurant and other business that he have in order to support the ministry. He tried to be like paul that support his evangelical mission by working and not by receeving tithes to his members. We also not receiving donations or help in non-member of the church we discourage that, in every worship that we have we put a notice that we dont receive love offering from our visitors and non-member. Again, we survive, by not giving tithes but love offering, this the teaching that give by Jesus Christ. Give as want you can, if we can give more than half of our income it is ok but we never required anyone. God bless, Johnny |
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451 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63614 | ||
Your question Who cleans the church? Who paints the church? Do these people get paid? Now is the paint bought? Answer:We supported it through love offering, this things are labor not for spiritual, we hire painters and they get thier payment for it we get contructor for those things. Who and now is the electric bill paid if there is one? Who and how are supplies paid for. Shouldn’t that person be paid something for handling this aspect of the church? Answer:The administration taking care of this, again through love offering we share. We have telivision program most of the payment for that services shoulder of our (*founder) if we have to help him he asked us if we can give, for those who cant its ok. If the Pastor has to travel is his expenses reimbursed? Answer:Of course, this things has to be shouldered by the church, but not thier salaries, thier income should be came from thier own job. They happy to serve as pastors and dont get pais by the church, true service. As I said freely you receieved freely give. I take from what your saying you don't think a pastor should be paid? Do you have an comments on 1 Cor. 9:11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? Answer:As I said our pastors has thier own Job they get income from thier own job or business, They dont want to be burden for our members. I'm confused a little you make it sound like you don't expect anyone to give then your last sentence you "Give as want you can, if we can give more than half of our income it is ok but we never required anyone." Is that saying many or most people give half their income? Answer:We taught love offerings, not tithes, if you can give you can, if you cannot it ok, give what you can give. Does your church support missionaries? What denomination is your church? Do you pay any support to a central organization? Answer:Of course we have our church in different nations. Our support to the church is through love offering, again most of the overhead was shoulder of our preacher. A few more questions and now I'm showing my ignorance of your country for that I apologize. In the Philippines do you have professional sports, movie theaters, and commercial shows? Do you attend those? Do you expect to pay for these? Is the price set? Or do you pay what you want. Answer:We have sports, movie theaters, commercial show in our nation, I dont see what is the relation of it in our church. We have TV programs for our church we pay the overhead through love offereings. I hope I answered all of your questions. God bless, Johnny |
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452 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63621 | ||
EdB, We learn that from them, the taught us that if we serve we truly serve. They dont asked really that we are going to help them for thier salaries. They are happy with the system. They really taught every members if we want to be a workers for the church such us preacher, we dont expect a salary from the church but then still we have many member become a worker. (The bible school is free anyway). This set-up is from them not because we dont want to help them but it really thier dedication to the church, instead of raising funds for thier salaries, we can use such funds for other matters. These are verses that they always remind us: 2Co 11:9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. 2Co 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. Again, thanks for your time, God bless, Johnny |
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453 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63622 | ||
Hank, Good to hear you again my friend, Before I was a tithe giver, I was a member of certain church, (i dont want to metioned it here) the tught us that tithes is a requirements, and I as a first member in my family in that church, convinve my parents to give tithes 10 percent in what we have. We practice that for years and we have no problem with that. As a matter of fact I tried to depend that before that as a son of God I should tithe. Until i found this ministries I am in now, I am really amazed why this certain man always taught to his members that tithes is not a requirements but love offering. He is the one really find the resources to support the church. We are witness of how many properties he sold in order to build the National Convention that I mentioned to EdB. How many properties he sold in order to feed our unfortunate members, shouldering the burden on how to by medicine and other supplies for our free hospital. Inspite of those burden he discourage the tithes because it is not a teaching of Christ but love offering. He always taught to our members being a pastor is not a job for a living but a service to God and his people like paul that supported himself as a tent maker and did not make himself as any burden to his members. I always listen to him how to discourage tihes for the Christians. What I do now if somebody tell me that tithes is a requirements. Thanks for your note. God bless, Johnny |
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454 | Is God's elect the only ones to be saved | 2 Cor 4:3 | jlpangilinan | 31493 | ||
You are correct! Thank you for reminding me I put a wrong verses for my answers. God bless, Johnny |
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455 | Where do our souls go when we die? | 2 Cor 5:8 | jlpangilinan | 111171 | ||
Kalos, So where the souls go when we die? is that in heaven waiting for ressurection. God bless, |
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456 | Where do our souls go when we die? | 2 Cor 5:8 | jlpangilinan | 111311 | ||
I am surprise that saints of this forum cannot answer yes or a no. You know a "yes" or a "no" is a far shorter than the instruction that you gave to me. Thank you anyway God bless, |
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457 | Where do our souls go when we die? | 2 Cor 5:8 | jlpangilinan | 111419 | ||
Please take a look what did you said when I asked my question: Quote "Your question has been discussed here on the forum many, many, many times over the last three years. To read previous answers to your question, enter these words in the Search field (without quotation marks, of course): when soul die end of quote. again please read what you said to my second querry quote "cannot answer a question yes or no when I do not understand what the question is." end of quote. In your first answer you said that my question has been discussed many many times if you do not understand my quetion? what logic do you have? terrible, dont bother anyway. God bless, |
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458 | Where do our souls go when we die? | 2 Cor 5:8 | jlpangilinan | 111420 | ||
Dear Tim, Thanks for the direct answer, i am right it is quiet short. The reason I am asking this question because I want to relate it with the statement of John saying: Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. If we are in heaven waiting for ressurection, are we seeing God already? let me ask this like a little baby here, I want to ask this instead of debating it against what I am believed. God bless, |
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459 | Where do our souls go when we die? | 2 Cor 5:8 | jlpangilinan | 111421 | ||
Hank, Just to say hello and asking for prayer for our country. This coming May is our national election again, after ousted our immoral and thief president here again we are facing the same problem because a guy the best friend of that ousted president leading the survey in the presidency. A second year high school drop out but a popular movie personality "the king" of our local movie industry seem will be running our country! very frustrating! God bless the Philippines. God bless, |
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460 | Where did the Holy Spirit go? | 2 Cor 5:21 | jlpangilinan | 83144 | ||
I dont know if your notes is really for me. I am asking the author for the verse that he can provide for me stating that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ and of the Father. I am assuming that graceful believes that this Three is the same person and not a separate persons. God bless, |
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