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441 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30459 | ||
Dear Desciple, What do you prefer when we said "SAVE"? are those who baptized by the pastors of ministers around us. Please explain. I do believed in this verses that always quoted of those who said that "once save is always save": Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. But who will justify you if you are save or not? Your pastors you self? How can you make sure that you are save or not? The answers is you have to stay with Jesus until the end of your time: Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. The save mentioned of our Lord Jesus Christ in verses of the book of John are those who beleived in Jesus Christ and stay with Him until thier last breath. Those are people that consider save. And here we saying that save is always save? In order to be consider save is to stay with Jesus until the end, according to the verses of the book of Matthew. Maybe other people misused the term "save is always save" meaning they maybe understnd that after you recieved Christ and then after baptizing you ,and that's it. Even if sometimes you going back to your old life i.e. stealing from properties of others, killing people in some reasons you still save because "once save is always save". But Jesus Christ mentioned, Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. So it is clear that you only considered save if you stay with Him until the end. Amen. How we can sustain, and make sure that we can stay with Him forever, in response as a Christian we have to do our part, apostle paul said we have to work it out: Php 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. So, who will can say that he is save if he is not stay with Jesus until the end of time? You? Me? it is our hope that we can stay with Him until the end. God bless, Johnny |
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442 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30446 | ||
Jesusman, We have to know who are those belongs to save people, and who was justify us so we can consider save. I know that you know that to be consider save it is not enough to be baptize of the partors and ministers going around. How we consider saves. Who are those saves that mentioned by Jesus Christ in the book of John. Who are those saves that no one can snatch from the hand of the Father and the hand of Jesus Christ? Those who are who stay with Him until the end of thier lives. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. If you will see in this scriptures after you know Jesus Christ and received him, you have to stay with Him until the end to be considered save. These are those saves that mention by Him that no one can snatch in His hand no one take out His flock. Belongs to these flocks are those who stay with Him forever of thier lives. That is why that I dont believed that after pastors baptize you then you back to your old life steal properties rape ladies or kill other people and stay save. How can we stay with him if we go back to our old life? We have to stay with Him to be considered save, and how we will do it?: Php 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. According to apostle paul we have to work it out. Staying with Him meaning is to work it out. Stay with Him until our last breath, not in the matter of time, month year, or two years but to stay in Him until the end. So How could you justify your self as save if still live and not staying with Jesus Forever. God bless, Johnny |
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443 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30418 | ||
Norrie, You got a very good point in your post. I am afraid of others that misused the term "save always save" you are correct "save is always save" if you stay with Jesus Christ starting when you received Him until the end of your life. There are some people that I think misused the term of save always save. It seems that when you baptize in the Name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Ghost thats it you are save forever. It seems that you dont have to worries all of this temptations and other chances of falling. In my own understanding of what is written you will ba save if you stay with him forever: Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. So we only save if we stay with Him until the end. So I think it wrong the belief that after baptism even you can kill people you still save because "save is always save". You are right when you said how can anyone sure that they are save? God bless, Johnny |
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444 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30387 | ||
Did you mean that even Adam and Eve not fall to temtation of Satan they considered go to hell? What do you mean of they are not save? I said they are consider save if they are not fall to satan temptation. They were going to stay there forever and ever in paradise. It was the plan of God to them. If they did not fall what sin they did anyway? Did you main also that they are not created as perfect? Did you mean God created such things that not perfect? What kind of God is that? God bless, Johnny |
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445 | Read the full length note. | Bible general Archive 1 | jlpangilinan | 30384 | ||
Dear Kalos, It is ok, I am just making sure that this note is really for me so I can answer it, if not, at the same time I reminded the sender that his note is mistakenly sent to me. God bless, Johnny |
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446 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30284 | ||
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447 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30283 | ||
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448 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30282 | ||
I am surprise when you mention that moses taught about heaven. I was thinking that you read what i dont read that is why I am asking if you cant put verses to prove it. No other things I am asking for just when you mention that moses has a teaching about heaven. Johnny |
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449 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30263 | ||
Jesusman, Some other point. I will address same question to you. Are saying that God is not powerful enough when Adam and Eve fall into the temtation of satan? Or are going to say that when God created them they are not recognized as save. They are just until falling in the temtation. Or you will say the are created to commit sin. Is that the plan of God creating man to sin against him? They are creation of Almighty God, direct creation, why did they fall? Are you saying also that God is not powerful that is why Adam and Eve Fall. God is powerful but human is weak. God bless, Johnny |
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450 | Read the full length note. | Bible general Archive 1 | jlpangilinan | 30261 | ||
Is this note address to me or accidentally sent to me! I never said that Judas is in Heaven and whatsoever. I think this note is nothing go with my post agreeing what mike said. God bless, Johnny |
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451 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30259 | ||
Jesusman, Correct, God is powerful enough how about you, me people? are we powerful enough? That is why we have to be watchful as Desciples Peter said. If you recall myfriend Adam and Eve is a direct creation of God but then fall, Cain and Abel they only two of them at the time but Cain Kill Abel. You have to be watchful my friend dont underestimate the power of our common enemy which is devil. That is why for me I am always pray, God I believed and help my unbelieve. God bless, Johnny |
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452 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30258 | ||
Jesusman, Correct, God is powerful enough how about you, me people? are we powerful enough? That is why we have to be watchful as Desciples Peter said. If you recall myfriend Adam and Eve is a direct creation of God but then fall, Cain and Abel they only two of them at the time but Cain Kill Abel. You have to be watchful my friend dont underestimate the power of our common enemy which is devil. That is why for me I am always pray, God I believed and help my unbelieve. God bless, Johnny |
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453 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30110 | ||
Roviear, Your Statement"Perhaps because we, as humans, really cannot grasp the concept of eternity and feel that we must continue to earn salvation. In the OT, especially Exodus, God laid the law down to Moses as to how Jews (believers) could get into heaven." Did moses has this teaching that if the Jews believed thier soul will go to heaven? I dont think so even "PERHAPS" as you mentioned. Are you sure my friend? I dont believe that moses has teaching about heaven or hell. If you do, show me that. I will be very thanfull. God bless, Johnny |
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454 | Trinity (again)? | Acts 2:38 | jlpangilinan | 29968 | ||
Dear Robert, Nice discussion to you! one more thing In John 17 Jesus prays "This is life eternal, that they may know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Next time please put comman after the word God, it a big difference. I hope you just miss out not intentionally. God bless, Johnny |
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455 | Multi-(G)god Universe? | Acts 2:38 | jlpangilinan | 29967 | ||
Dear Charis, Im glad to know that I am not make offended. Languages here is still the same. Nice discussion with charis, see you in the forum. God bless, Johnny |
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456 | Trinity (again)? | Acts 2:38 | jlpangilinan | 29940 | ||
Dear Robert, If you said that Jesus does not lie, Are you said they are not equal? You said"Paul refers to this order in 1 Cor.11:3 "the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" This divine order does not denote inferiority between Christ and God or between man and woman." Who is the Head of Christ? God, as God the Father. Here it is very clearly again they are not equal. I do believed that there is only one God the Father, one God the Son, and the Holy Spirit. If you ask me how many are them? In my counting they are three. It is base on my human counting. But in the counting of God they are one because counting of Him is different in my counting: But they not eqaul. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Two become one flesh. Many for him can become "one" If I offended you sometimes, I am sorry for that. God bless, Johnny |
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457 | Trinity (again)? | Acts 2:38 | jlpangilinan | 29938 | ||
Dear Kalos, Thanks for the note kalos, I know that bible will not contradict itself that is why I am asking anyone that can show me clearly as clear when Jesus said that "Father is Greater than I am" if somebody can show me that Jesus reveal that "Me and the Father are Equal" I am waiting for that. Again I hope I am not offended you. I am sorry if sometimes my wording is not so good. "like when I asked "Did Jesus Lie" I used those word sometimes to point my very strong kind of asking to get my point or to weight my point. I am sorry for that. I am a human my friend hope you can understand that sometimes. Thanks for getting my attention. I do respect anyone here in the forum, I sometimes offended you, I am sorry for that. It is part of my learning also I learned in my mistakes. God bless, Johnny |
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458 | Multi-(G)god Universe? | Acts 2:38 | jlpangilinan | 29937 | ||
Dear Charis, May I response for what you wrote? "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.'" Matthew 28:18 NASB. Whose gave it to Him? Himself or the Father? "I and the Father are one." John 10:30 NASB. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. If you are started it from verse 27 you will know they are one on what? they are one plan they are one in taking care of their flocks. But He never say there that they are equal. Here is the example of "one" Joh 17:11 ¶ And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. How many person's now could be granting that we are one of them? This is the counting of scriptures He has different way counting maybe we as human has limited langaues or counting so speak. Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one What I said really is they are not equal. None in the scriptures that Jesus claimed that He is equal as the Father. As I said I believe there is only one God the Father, only one God the Son, and one Holy Spirit. The Father is not the Son, the same as not the Holy Spirit. If you tell me that they are Three yes! in my counting as human, but in the counting of God they are one but not equal. "Sometimes it seems like you feel you have a personal revelation of God that is superior to anyone else. I would say that this is a dangerous attitude." No! trust me. I know who will say that he has strong believe is a weak indeed, That is why please pray for me. I also pray that God will help me to make strong my very weak faith on Him. Those word I used sometimes offended you, and I am sorry for that. You get rid of me Charis? Joke only. Adios really is not a native languages of the Philippines Goodbye in our languages is "babay" it means "bye bye" God bless, Johnny |
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459 | Multi-(G)god Universe? | Acts 2:38 | jlpangilinan | 29833 | ||
Dear Charis, I dont say anything that That God created other God. I put scriptures that will stated that there are written about other gods, are the scriptures lie? I do believe that there is only one God the Father, only one God the Son and only one Holy Spirit. I dont say that all of those gods written required to worship. What I am going to say is that Jesus never claim that He is equal to His father. Jesus said "My Father is Greater than I am" it is not His conclusions he accepted it. It is the people cannot accept what Jesus Christ has accepted. He said that His Father is Greater than He is, I know He is telling the truth and I am going to believed that because it is Him who said that! Not you not me not the conclusions not the theologian but Christ Himself. I do believe in Him than anyone of us here in this forum. God bless, Johnny |
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460 | Trinity (again)? | Acts 2:38 | jlpangilinan | 29832 | ||
Dear Love Fountain, 1. I do believed that Jesus Christ is God. Scriptures stated that His Father who is the one reveal to us that Jesus Christ is God. When scriptures stated it there is no problem with me I am going to believe it. I am not belongs to Jehovas Witnesses. God bless, Johnny |
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