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41 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53789 | ||
Picking up from the previous post….. Speaking again in a civil vein……picture this (I admit this is wild)……but say I decided to bring a civil suit against my old pastor…….I gave his organization thousands of dollars and I want it back….Why? Because in his mission statement he said he was committed to teaching the truth of the Bible. He teaches that the Sabbath commandment has been made null and void because of the resurrection of Y’shua. I charge that he has not told me the truth, the Bible does not teach that the Sabbath has been abrogated or changed to another day, and I want my attorney (an atheist, let’s say) to prove that the pastor lied to me and I gave him money under false pretenses and I want it back. With my unbiased atheist attorney using only the Bible (sola scriptura) as evidence to make my case, would I win? If you were the attorney for the defense, how would you plead the pastor’s case? If the judge was an atheist and therefore having no doctrinal biases……how would he rule on the evidence and how would he have come to his decision? In conclusion, I seek righteousness in the Torah, for it defines righteousness, that which I choose…I seek sin in the Torah for it defines sin, that which I choose to avoid …Torah is the light to my path…..does Torah make me righteous?……No….can I claim any righteousness for myself without the Spirit of grace and the blood of Y’shua?….no way……since Y’shua nailed my rap sheet to the cross and the Holy Spirit is causing me to walk in the LORD’s decrees and laws (Eze 36:26-27)…I can take no personal credit….I can do nothing but praise the LORD for what He’s shown me and for what He’s done in me and for me. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb……Bub |
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42 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53888 | ||
Hi..... I'm about to get a reply off to "reformed John" which pretty much responds to your concerns as well.....so consider it my reply to you also....ok? Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb....Bub |
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43 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53890 | ||
Dear John, Thanks for your input, I will address the points that you made. First of all, we need to examine the definition that you gave for how Paul defined “law”, you said, “The term "law" means anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command.” This sounds like a dictionary definition, is that so? If that was Paul’s working definition, which it very well could have been, then the below passages make perfect sense…..he could very well have been talking about commonly known customs or commands which were popularly held…… i.e. those of the Pharisees etc. Read all of the below statements and insert “the customs and commands as defined by popular usage” in the place of “law”. These statements make perfect sense in that context. “The Law is not of faith” “I am dead to the Law” “We are delivered from the Law” “Messiah is the end of the Law for righteousness” “If you are led of the Spirit, you are not under the Law” “By deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be justified” “The Law brings wrath” Messiah “abolished in his flesh….the commandments” “A man is not justified by observing the Law but by faith in Y’shua Mashiach.” However, what is the most popular Christian take on the word “law”? It is the “law” that the LORD gave to Moses and it is not for Christians; they insert that concept into the above passages. Agreed so far? The Hebrew word unfortunately translated as “law” is, of course, “Torah” (8451). Look it up….it in no way, shape, manner, or form means what Christians purport it to mean. It means “teaching” or “instruction”. It is from the Hebrew root word “yarah” (3384), meaning “teach, aiming a finger at”. Therefore “Torah” is a teaching which points us in the right direction……and since it is the LORD who is doing the teaching, it is the LORD’s Torah…..not Moses’; the “law of Moses” is the teaching that the LORD gave to Moses to pass on to Israel. Is this what Christians so vehemently rail against…..is this what they protest that they are not under and if you say they are you are a written off as legalist and a Judaizer? They are railing against what they perceive the Torah to be, not against what it really is. Go back to the above listed passages…..insert “the LORD’s teaching” in the place of “law”…….do they make sense? Do you want your theology to be based upon bad mouthing the teachings of the LORD? Yet, that is what Christians are doing when they use these passages to “prove” that the Torah is not for Christians. They are in reality saying “The way that the LORD has instructed His people to go is not for us.” Continued……see next posting |
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44 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53892 | ||
Continued from above: Do the teachings of the LORD (Torah) ever become obsolete? If so, then LORD is obsolete. Are they on the cafeteria plan where you can just pick the ones you like and leave the rest? Were the teachings weak, faulty and too difficult and had to be replaced?…..if so then the LORD is weak, faulty and He expects way too much. Frankly, I think that speaking against the LORD’s teachings (Torah) is blasphemy and refusing to live by any or all of them is presumptuous sin which is defined as wickedness. Look at your statement, “. Regenerated people (saints) have two natures, one carnal and the other spiritual. The carnal (old man) is a slave to sin. The spiritual man a slave to righteousness (new creature). We are to consider ourselves dead to sin and alive to Christ. In other words, because our righteousness is by faith and not by works. Therefore (in Christ) we have an imputed righteousness and the keeping of the law was "fullfiled" by Him.” For one thing, since you chose to use the word “saints”, look at how Rev 14:12 defines “saints”…..”the saints…obey God's commandments AND remain faithful to Y’shua.” Where do you find God’s commandments? Hmmmmmm? How many of them are operative for these saints? Are the regenerated “saints” of which you speak obeying the commandments of God (works)…..or is it faith in Jesus only that qualifies them for sainthood? Notice the word “AND” in 14:12,…..it is not “either/or”. Now analyze your statement, “Therefore (in Christ) we have an imputed righteousness and the keeping of the law was "fullfiled" by Him.” (I’m assuming that you mean the same as that popular Christian teaching, “We don’t have to do the Torah because Jesus did it for us.”) Again, put the words “the teachings of the LORD” in place of “law”. What then does your statement mean? What actually does Y’shua’s claim that He came to fulfill the Torah mean? If you will look up the word “fulfill”, you’ll see it means to fill in a hole. Therefore, what did Y’shua do in coming to fulfill the Torah? He came to further expounded upon the LORD’s teachings to correct a lot of misunderstandings and misapplications, i.e. to fill In the holes. Now, Christianity isn’t just misapplying Torah….she’s completely thrown it out….in which case she’s even worse than a Pharisee. As for your closing question, “Do you believe that keeping the Torah contributes in any way to "justification"?” Well let’s see: Ro 2:13 “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.” Ja 2:24 “You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.” MT 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (I’m assuming that the Torah [teaching] of the Father is the expression of His will; please correct me if I’m wrong.) My answer to your question is thereby a definite “you betcha!”. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb…….Bub |
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45 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53899 | ||
Dear Steve………… You just don’t get it do you??????????? Torah (translated “law”) means “teaching”…..it can be anybody’s teaching unless it is clear through the examination of the context whose teachings are being referred to….are you with me so far, Steve? When Paul is speaking NEGATIVELY about the “law”…….is it conceivable that he was speaking of the teachings of his LORD? God forbid! My point was, he must have been referring to someone else’s teaching when he was speaking AGAINST the “law” for he surely would not speak against a “thus saith the LORD”. I apologize for having poor communication skills. Singing the song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb……..Bub |
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46 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53901 | ||
Dear Steve……. Before I get into your message with both feet…..can you clarify a point for me? You said that Heb 10:26-29 is addressing “Jews who have the Gospel, and are now wavering…on the verge of abandoning Jesus for the Law.” I’m not seeing that, help me out, please. As far as the “Gospel” which you mentioned above….is that the same as the “Gospel” which is mentioned in Heb 4:2 and 4:6? Thanks a lot, Steve, Still singing…………..Bub |
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47 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53994 | ||
Dear Tim…… I totally concur with what you had to say………my battle is with the popular view that we do not have to live Torah………except for the parts we like…..we get to choose what’s in and what’s out. I will focus my point on only one element, the Sabbath commandment, for the purpose of keeping the discourse simple, for one thing, and because it is the most glaring example of picking and choosing……who decided that the Sabbath is optional? You said we obey because we are saved…….this is absolutely the truth……but the common Christian mantra is that we don’t have to keep the Sabbath because we’re saved as opposed to saying, and practicing, we keep the Sabbath because we’re saved. Do we keep the Sabbath to be saved or justified? NO!!!!!!! That would be false motivation……I think Y’shua was touching on this when He said, “you are neither hot nor cold”. In other words, if you’re not obeying with enthusiastic whole heartedness, be real and don’t do it at all……that is a more honest position than half heartedly going through the motions. This, I also think, is what was going on when the LORD said, “I hate your Sabbaths…..”. If you are doing any commandment on a superficial level forget it…….it is not righteousness, it does not please the LORD. If one enthusiastically loves the LORD and acknowledges His words with enthusiasm…..he will keep the commandments with enthusiasm from the heart. We don’t do them to get brownie points or as fire insurance……we do them because “Father knows best”. Israel had a huge problem with this……they were constantly doing what was right in their own eyes (I see Christians as doing the same with the Sabbath, xmas and easter, etc….these are Roman catholic teachings, not the LORD’s…..the reformation stopped short of total reform, but that’s another tangent.) ……there was no problem with the Old Covenant or the Torah (teachings), that would indicate that the LORD messed up and had to rethink things. The problem was people…….they had to change…..and the LORD most graciously, through the Messiah and the Holy Spirit’s ministry of the New Covenant gave them that opportunity. Does the New Covenant negate any of the teachings……NO. The teachings (Torah) are the same…..we are different. Are we on the same page? Thank you for jumping in with the voice of reason……this discussion has gone off on wild unfruitful tangents. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb……Bub P.S. I just read your post on the ending of Mark…..this is evidence, to me, that the NT was not considered “Holy Scripture”…….the NT writings were not meticulously preserved and recopied, as were the OT…….as copies were made it seems someone felt free to add on to Mark, who knows who?…..who knows how much editing went on as all of these NT documents were passed around?…..without the original documents we have no clue…..but we know for sure from Mark that it happened, we just don’t know where and how much. I thank the LORD that He specifically warned not to mess with the Revelation, I can view that with full confidence…..I’m sure it was honored as prophesy, and not a communiqué or commentary, and thereby preserved with integrity. |
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48 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54181 | ||
Dear John..... All writing is scripture....I'm writing scripture as I type, yet hardly "Holy Scripture"......"Holy Scripture" is "thus saith the LORD" writings.......that which Timothy knew from infancy. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb.....Bub |
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49 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54191 | ||
Hi Steve, It would depend on the context......the point is what did first generation Jewish believers, including Paul et. al. consider "scripture"? THERE WAS NO NEW TESTAMENT! Also, you didn't answer my question from Wednesday, I think it was......You said, "Heb 10:26-29 is addressing “Jews who have the Gospel, and are now wavering…on the verge of abandoning Jesus for the Law.” My question was: "Is that the same as the “Gospel” which is mentioned in Heb 4:2 and 4:6? Singing the Song of Moses and the song of the Lamb.....Bub |
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50 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54205 | ||
Hi Tim, Your comment: “My point was that the Law was not evil, but it has served it's [Hank would put a (sic) here :)] purpose and we are no longer bound by it.” Its purpose was to be our schoolmaster, right? To train us up in the way that we should go? Right? After you “graduate” do you throw out everything you’ve learned and leave a vacuum or REPLACE it with something else? I think not…….is what we learn in school the sum total of all we will ever know?….no… but it is the foundation upon which everything else will be supported…..if you remove the Torah, you remove the foundation and you have a house built upon sand, shifting ground, which Y’shua so amply illustrated. Your comment: “Jesus Himself taught that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” Exactamundo………The Sabbath is a wonderful gift from the LORD to man and the religious elite had turned it into a real drag…….and Christianity has turned it into a non-event. You said, “We miss the point of the Sabbath if we simply elevate it to a rule which must be followed!” I totally agree……it is a sanctified day to assemble and enjoy the goodness of the LORD…….if one just sees it as an externally imposed mandate…..he should stay home and wash the car……he won’t get a thing out of the Sabbath and he’ll just put a damper on the party. As for the debate on the ending of Mark….I’ve already said all that I’m going to say....since we don’t have the original manuscripts all we can do is speculate. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb….Bub |
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51 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54309 | ||
Dear John...... I will attempt to explain my strange and new religion for you, I admit, it’s pretty wild and way out there. It began a long, long time ago in a far off land. The creator of the universe, I will call Him “the LORD” to keep the dialogue uncomplicated, sought to have fellowship with His creation. He did so by informing certain men as to who He is and what His will was for His creation. He told many of these priviledged men to write down what He had to say. I am privy to these writings and have built my strange and new religion upon them. The LORD was looking for a enclave of his creation to follow the wisdom of these writings and be a light, an example, for the rest of the nations, in hopes that they too would choose to join up with his chosen people…..He called these people “Israel” meaning "God prevails". Unfortunately, most of this group, although they got off to a good start chose to do what was right in their own eyes as opposed to following what was right in the eyes of the LORD….time doesn’t allow for the sordid details. As it appeared that these people needed a lot more assistance, instead of giving up on them, the LORD sent His Son to Israel to get them back on track…..instead of soley having the writings which the LORD prescribed, they would have a flesh and blood teacher to personally guide them back to the correct path……the Son’s name was Y’shua, an angel of the LORD told His mother to give Him that name. He told Israel to “repent”, to turn around and rethink things and make the necessary adjustments in accordance with the teachings of the LORD. He taught that this community of excellence, He called it a Kingdom, that the LORD originally had in His mind, would be established, with them or without them, and it would last for eternity……He said that everyone who did the will of His Father, i.e. followed the LORD’s teachings instead of doing what was right in their own eyes, was going to be included…….those who opted out would experience an unpleasant future. These teachings and warnings were accepted by some and rejected by others……some chose to remain in their comfort zone and follow the so called Jewish religious elite of the day or the popular Hellenistic secular way of life. As Y’shua was a threat to the status quo, the religious and secular elite had to dispose of Him, which He knew would happen. However, he arose from the grave as an affirmation to His followers……with many other implications that I will not get into at this point…..they’re pretty heavy. Y’shua’s apostles and His disciples and the first generation believers (reformed Israel)continued to reject the corrupt Jewish religious establishment and continued the “reformation” which Y’shua initiated. They were seen as a breakaway Jewish sect known as “the Way” or the “Nazarene sect” yet they still congregated at the Temple and synagogues with unreformed Israel. They were indeed a light to unreformed Israel as well as to the gentiles, and many chose to join this renewal of getting back to the teachings of the LORD and away from the teachings of men. Many years later some of them wrote down the history of their movement. There were also communiqués among each other and to the outlying communities which have been preserved. Within a short time, although the “religion” had grown by leaps and bounds it also, in many cases, reverted back to corruption…..Israel was up to its old tricks again.....so much so that the LORD gave orders to Y’shua that He needed to reveal even more to His people……He told John, one of His apostles, to write it down……He told Him to write letters to seven communities…….five of them were already way off base after only about fifty years, only two in seven remained faithful. This is the only record of anyone having been told by the LORD to write something in the post Y’shua period. That is basically the history of this “strange and new” religion, simplistically stated. You may be able to get a more comprehensive copy of the teachings of the LORD and the historical accounts of Y’shua at your local “strange and new” religion book store. continued……please see next post |
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52 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54310 | ||
continued from previous post: Now…….how I personally got sucked into this off the wall cult……it seemed to me that the closer I could get to the original congregation of Y’shua the closer I would be to authenticity……..there’s been a lot lost over the past 2,000 years so it’s not easy….incredibly however, there are a few of us all over the world who have come to the same conclusion…….so we devised this “strange and new” religion. The holiest days on the “strange and new” calendar that we follow are: The seventh day Sabbath of the LORD—looking back to the creation, and forward to the creation of a new heaven and a new earth and celebrating all of the LORD’s goodness in between. Passover--the day of the crucifixion of our Jewish Savior, Y’shua. The Feast of Unleavened Bread--symbolizing the removal of sin afforded through the Jewish blood of Y’shua. The Day of the Elevation of the Firstfruits—The day Y’shua arose from the grave, looking forward to our resurrection.. Shavout or The Feast of Weeks—the day that the Holy Spirit was poured out on the first generation believers of this “new and strange” religion who were in Jerusalem for the Feast. The Day of Trumpets—the final wake up call to repent, looking forward to the last trumpet which will usher in Y’shua’s return. The Day of Atonement—looking forward to the cleansing of the earth by Y’shua and the total annihilation of Satan. The Feast of Tabernacles—looking forward to the day when the tabernacle of the LORD will be with men, and He personally will tabernacle with them. I know those are bizarre and unchristianlike celebrations but after many years of observing those well documented, scripturally substantiated holy days of Sundays, xmas, good friday and easter, I needed a break. Thank you for your concern for my lost condition……. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb (that strange and new religion)….. Bub |
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53 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54311 | ||
Dear Steve..... The sacrifice was always to be at the place of the LORD's choosing.......I believe that Calvary is where one goes for his sacrifice. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb....Bub |
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54 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54350 | ||
Ed, I'll thank you to cease using your psychic abilities to tell others what it is that I worship. Bub |
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55 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54352 | ||
Steve, You definitely need a chill pill.........what is the "great commission"? And again (3rd time).......what is the word "gospel" referring to in Heb 4:2 and 6? Thanks......Bub |
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56 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54391 | ||
Hank, I'm sure that you know that the proper translation for Yahoshua into English is Joshua.....I have no idea where "Jesus" came from. The angel of the LORD gave Him His name......on what authority does anyone have the audacity to change it? I realize that Y'shua is a transliteration, hopefully it sounds like the name His mother called at dinner time. Would you turn around if anyone called "Harry" to get your attention? Bub |
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57 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54453 | ||
Dear Joe……. Do you have any Spanish friends, Joe? Do you call your Spanish friend Jose, “Joe”? Do you call Pedro, “Pete”? Do you call a Spanish person named “Jesus” (hay-soose), “Jesus” (gee-suhs)? If not, why not? Do you respect the integrity of his name and heritage perhaps? As for: “Likewise, "Jesus" comes from the Greek version of the Hebrew name. That is why we see Moses' successor being called "Joshua" in the Hebrew Scriptures and my Redeemer being called "Jesus" in the Greek ones.” How can a translator translate “iesous” as “Jesus” in one place and as “Joshua” in another? SEE HEB 4:8? That is sloppy, inconsistent translating. Again, I ask……..Strong’s et al acknowledge that “Joshua” is the proper translation for Yehoshua and Iesous………where did “Jesus” come from? As for, “And lest we insist that the Savior of the world be called by his Hebrew name or be dishonored, let's remember that the Holy Spirit inspired the Greek transliteration that the apostles penned....” WHHHHHAAAAATTTTTTT? That’s a ROFLOL!!!!!! El Bubbo |
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58 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54454 | ||
Dear Ed, You said, “I understand how Jesus is a fulfillment of the festivals”. Do you celebrate the festivals with that in mind? Bub |
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59 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54466 | ||
Dear Indiana (to keep from getting the Steves mixed up), My specific question was, “To what is the word “gospel” referring in Heb 4: 2 and 6?” Your response was: "Gospel" refers to The good news of God's grace - attainable in the OT by obedience to the Law and attainable in the NT and today by faith in Christ.” I realize it would be painful to directly answer the question in that Hebrews 3 and 4 is talking about Torah, the teachings of the LORD…..it is not talking about OT grace or NT grace, although that was certainly available in both….Heb 3-4 is talking about the "gospel" and “obedience”......how often do you see those two words anywhere near each other? Heb 3:5 “MOSES was faithful as a servant in all God's house, TESTIFYING TO WHAT WOULD BE SAID IN THE FUTURE.” (read that again) Heb 3:16 “Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not ALL THOSE MOSES LED OUT OF EGYPT?…..[18] And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to THOSE WHO DISOBEYED? (disobeyed what?) [19] So we see that they were not able to enter, BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF.” (NOTICE……”DISOBEDIENCE” IS PARALLELLED WITH “UNBELIEF”) Heb 4:1 “Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. [2] For WE ALSO HAVE HAD THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO US, JUST AS THEY DID; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.” (i.e. they were unfaithful to the gospel as evidenced by their disobedience.) Heb 4:6 “It still remains that some will enter that rest, and THOSE WHO FORMERLY HAD THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM (i.e. all those Moses led out of Egypt; 3:16) DID NOT GO IN, BECAUSE OF THEIR DISOBEDIENCE.” (disobedience to what?) Heb 4:11 “Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, SO THAT NO ONE WILL FALL (future tense) BY FOLLOWING THEIR EXAMPLE OF DISOBEDIENCE.” (it would appear that this is a warning that whatever Israel in the wilderness was disobedient to, we need to be obedient to it………then, it would be important to know what it was that they disobeyed. Reading ahead to v 12…..it must be “the word of God”……..where would one find that?). Heb 4:12 For the WORD OF GOD is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Also…….have you noticed the word “gospel” in the Revelation? Rev 14:6 “Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had THE ETERNAL GOSPEL to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people.” Notice…..it does not say the “NT gospel”, it is the “eternal gospel”……it is the same gospel that Moses preached in the wilderness in Heb 4:2,6 (the Song of Moses); it is the same gospel that Y’shua preached (the Song of the Lamb) and it is to reach every nation, tribe, language and people…….the gospel that Moses preached and the gospel which Y’shua preached, are one and the same and meant for the whole world for all time. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb………Bub |
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60 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54516 | ||
Dear Indiana..... I did not say that the word "gospel" was the word "Torah". The word "gospel" in Heb 4 is referring to Torah. Hebrews is saying that Moses taught the "gospel" to the people he brought out of Egypt and then goes on to say it is the same gospel that was taught unto "us". Heb 4:2 "FOR UNTO US (new testament types) WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM (the old testament types)." What then was and is this gospel that both groups received? Bub |
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