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41 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26562 | ||
Searcher, Mark 1:9-11 and Acts 8:38-39 are clearly an immersion in water. Acts 2:38 makes it even clearer. "Repent and be baptized, every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of your sins and you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is for you and for all that are far off. For all whom the Lord our God will call." You are forgiven at baptism. You recieve the Holy Spirit at baptism. It is the promise fullfilled! Why do people get so upset about obeying the Word of God? Kin |
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42 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26571 | ||
Searcher, Acts 10:47-48 is an entire different study in itself. It is the ushering in of the Gentiles to the Church. This group of men recieved the Spirit "just as he had come on us (the apostles) at the beginning"(Pentacost) Acts 11:15. It was a unique conversion you will find only in Acts 2:1-13 and 10:47-48. "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call." With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. Acts 2:236-40 A study of this whole passage in context gives no reference to baptism after salvation. If so “you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” wouldn’t be future tense. But “you will receive…” is future tense. So according to your belief, one gets saved, then gets baptized, then receives the Holy Spirit. That is clearly unbiblical. Second, “repent AND be baptized” is a direct command to the people in response to their question “what shall we do?” Did the people have to repent after they got saved? Not after but before: Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them--do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." Luke 13:1-5 I say this with sincere concern: Are you open to the idea that you could be wrong? Look into it for yourself and you will find that the doctrine your preaching was never original church doctrine and has just come about the last 200 years. Look into it, it can only help. Kin |
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43 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26577 | ||
Hi Nolan, So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians. This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the book of Isaiah the prophet. The Spirit told Philip, "Go to that chariot and stay near it." Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. "Do you understand what you are reading?" Philip asked. "How can I," he said, "unless someone explains it to me?" So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth. In his humiliation he was deprived of justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth."The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?" Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus. As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. This passage does not say the eunuch was already converted before baptism. Matter of fact, the passage says he went on rejoicing AFTER his baptism. If his baptism was an outward sign why would he be so urgent to be baptized in the dessert? Why wouldn’t he wait to make it a public event? After hearing the message of the Gospel and realizing he needed to be baptized to wash his sins away, he jumped at the first chance to do so. With no one around and in the middle of the dessert! To use this passage to support the “outward sign” doctrine is assumptious at best. Please show me where the Bible teaches this doctrine clearly. And take some time to look into the doctrine of the early church and you will find that the “outward sign” doctrine was never taught only up to 200 years ago! Kin |
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44 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26613 | ||
That says the eunuch saw the need to be baptized and he took the first opportunity to do so. "out ward sign" is purely an assumption and I would not stand on any doctrine based on that. Kin |
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45 | is the bible the inerrent word of God? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26616 | ||
Why did you ask then? Kin | ||||||
46 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26618 | ||
You are right and I apologize. But that doesn't answer the question I asked. Kin |
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47 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26643 | ||
Searcher, If you would like I would be willing to do a study on Acts 10:46-47 with you. Before this conversion, there were no Gentiles in the Kingdom of God. The Spirit came on them suddenly without warning, in the same way it came on the Apostles (Acts 11:15). Both events were to usher in the Kingdom of God, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. There is much more to be said. Let me know if you want to dig in! A study on the Spirit and baptism is indepth and involved and can't be understood unless one really wants to search(no pun intended)it out. As far as Acts 2:38, I wrote my comment in my other post. Kin |
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48 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26645 | ||
Acts 2:38 1Peter 3:20-21 (this water (baptism) saves you) Mark 16:16 Col.3:20 Rom. 6:1-10 Gal. 3:26-27 John 3:3 Kin |
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49 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26649 | ||
My "assumption" on the history of the church can be looked up by you. Don't beleive me Nolan, go look for yourself and get back to me if you want. Kin |
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50 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26651 | ||
The Sinners Prayer - Part 1: A Great Cataract of NonsenseSteven Staten - Congregational Elder: Chicago Church of Christ - Wednesday, April 11, 2001C.S. Lewis used the term "a great cataract of nonsense" to describe how people use a modern idea to construe Bible theology. One such example, perhaps the best example, is a conversion method called the Sinner's Prayer. It is more popularly known as the Four Spiritual Laws. Lewis used this term to describe what happens when someone looks backward at the Bible based only on what he or she has known. Instead, an evangelical should first discern conversion practices from Scriptures and then consider the topic in light of two thousand years of other thinkers. As it is, a novel technique popularized through recent revivals has replaced the biblically sound practice. Today, hundreds of millions hold to a belief system and salvation practice that no one had ever held until relatively recently. The notion that one can pray Jesus into his or her heart and that baptism is merely an outward sign are actually late developments. The prayer itself dates to the Billy Sunday era; however, the basis for talking in prayer for salvation goes back a few hundred years. Consider the following appeal: "Just accept Christ into your heart through prayer and he'll receive you. It doesn't matter what church you belong to or if you ever do good works. You'll be born again at the moment you receive Christ. He's at the door knocking. You don't even have to change bad habits, just trust Christ as Savior. God loves you and forgives you unconditionally. Anyone out there can be saved if they ... Accept Christ, now! Let us pray for Christ to now come into your heart." | ||||||
51 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26655 | ||
Sound familiar? This method of conversion has had far-reaching effects worldwide as many have claimed this as the basis for their salvation. Yet, what is the historical significance of this conversion? How did the process of rebirth, which Jesus spoke of in John 3, evolve into praying him into one's heart? I believe it was an error germinating shortly after the Reformation, which eventually caused great ruin and dismay in Christendom. By supplying a brief documentation of its short, historical development, I hope to show how this error has served as "a great cataract of nonsense". The Reformation Although things weren't ideal after the Reformation, for the first time in over a thousand years the general populace was reading the Scriptures. By the early 1600s, one hundred years after the Reformation was initiated, there were various branches of European Christendom that followed national lines. For instance, Germans followed Martin Luther. There were also Calvinists (Presbyterian), the Church of England (Episcopalian), various branches of Anabaptists and, of course, the Roman church (Catholics). Most of these groups were trying to revive the waning faith of their already traditionalized denominations. However, a consensus had not been reached on issues like rebirth, baptism or salvation--even between Protestants. The majority still held to the validity of infant baptism even though they disagreed on its significance. Preachers tended to minimize baptism because people hid their lack of commitment behind sayings like "I am a baptized Lutheran and that's that." The influence of the preachers eventually led to the popular notion that one was forgiven at infant baptism but not yet reborn. Most Protestants were confused or ambivalent about the connection between rebirth and forgiv | ||||||
52 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26656 | ||
The Great Awakening The Great Awakening was the result of fantastic preaching occurring in Europe and the eastern colonies during the early to mid 1700s. Though ambivalent on the practice of baptism, Great Awakening preachers created an environment that made man aware of his need for an adult confession experience. The experiences that people sought were varied. Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield and John Wesley furthered ideas of radical repentance and revival. Although there is much to be learned from their messages, they did not solve the problems of the practices associated with baptism and conversion. Eventually, the following biblical passage written to and inspired for lukewarm Christians became a popular tool for the conversion of non-Christians: "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. ....Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." (Revelation 3:14-20) This passage was written explicitly for lukewarm Christians. Now consider how a lecturer named John Webb misused this passage in the mid 1700s as a basis of evangelizing non-Christians: "Here is a promise of Union to Christ; in these words, I will come in to him. i.e. If any Sinner will but hear my Voice and open the Door, and receive me by Faith, I will come into his Soul, and unite him to me, and make him a living member of that my mystical body of which I am the Head." (Christ's Suit to the Sinner, 14) Preachers heavily relied on Revelation 3:20. By using the first-person tense while looking into the sinner's eyes, preachers began to speak for Jesus as they exhorted, "If you would just let me come in and dine with you, I would accept you." Even heathens who had never been baptized responded with the same or even greater sorrow than churchgoers. As a result, more and more preachers of Christendom concluded that baptism was merely an external matter--only an outward sign of an inward grace. In fact, Huldreich Zwingli put this idea forth for the very first time. Nowhere in church history was such a belief recorded. It only appears in Scripture when one begins with a great cataract of nonsense. In other words, it only appears in the New Testament through the imagination of readers influenced by this phenomenon. | ||||||
53 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26657 | ||
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54 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26663 | ||
I'm sharing something that you are unfamiliar with and you say it is another Gospel? Rom.4:3-5 is very simple. When put in context with James 2:20-24 it will make more sense to you. You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. Obedience to Gods Word to “repent and be baptized..” is not a work. Kin |
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55 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26665 | ||
Searching the scriptures deeper with an open heart?:-) Kin |
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56 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26799 | ||
Where does the Bible teach that water baptism is an "outward sign"? | ||||||
57 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26805 | ||
Cornelius And His Household (10:1-48; 11:1-18) INTRODUCTION 1. Up to this point, the gospel had been somewhat limited in its outreach... a. It had spread throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria - Ac 9:31 b. But other than the Samaritans (who were half Jewish), it had gone only to the Jews 2. With the conversion of "Cornelius And His Household" the first Gentiles are saved... a. A conversion noted not only because they were the first Gentiles b. But also because of the miraculous events that precipitated the conversion a. An angel appearing to Cornelius b. Peter's vision, followed by the Spirit's instruction c. The Spirit falling upon Cornelius, his family, and close friends d. Cornelius and his household speaking in tongues 3. As in the case of Saul of Tarsus, we have more than just one account of the conversion... a. There is Luke's description - Ac 10:1-48 b. There is Peter's description, as he is called to defend his actions - Ac 11:1-18 4. Important questions are raised as we consider the events of this conversion... a. Exactly when did the Spirit fall upon Cornelius and his company? b. What was the purpose of the Spirit falling upon them? c. Were they saved when the Spirit came upon them, or later when they were baptized? [These are some of the questions I intend to answer as we examine the conversion of "Cornelius And His Household". Since we have two accounts, let's consider them together as we start with...] I. A HARMONY OF THE CONVERSION OF CORNELIUS AND HIS HOUSEHOLD A. THE ANGEL APPEARS TO CORNELIUS... 1. Cornelius, a centurion, is a very religious man - Ac 10:1-2 2. The angel appears to him - Ac 10:3-6 a. With an announcement that his prayers and alms have been noticed by God b. With instructions to send for Peter; please note: 1) The angel said, "He will tell you what you must do." - Ac 10:6 2) As Peter recounts it, "...who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved." - Ac 11:14 3. Cornelius then sends two servants and a devout soldier to Peter - Ac 10:7-8 B. PETER HAS A VISION... 1. While the three men are traveling toward Peter, he has a vision - Ac 10:9-16; 11:4-10 a. It involves a sheet descending from heaven, containing all sorts of creatures b. A voice tells Peter to "kill and eat" c. Peter objects, for he has never eaten anything common or unclean d. The voice tells him, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." 2. Three times the vision is repeated C. THE SPIRIT TELLS PETER TO GO WITH THE MESSENGERS... 1. The men from Cornelius arrive as Peter contemplates the vision - Ac 10:17-18; 11:11 2. The Spirit tells Peter to go, "doubting nothing, for I have sent them" - Ac 10:19-20; 11:12 3. Peter receives the men and takes six with him as they go to Cornelius - Ac 10:21-23; 11:12 D. PETER ARRIVES AT CORNELIUS' HOUSE... 1. Cornelius has gathered his family and close friends - Ac 10:24 2. Peter deflects an attempt by Cornelius to worship him - Ac 10: 25-26 3. Peter explains his presence a violation of Jewish custom, but now understands "I should not call any man common or unclean" - Ac 10:27-28 4. Asked by Peter to explain why he was called, Cornelius recounts the appearance and instructions of the angel - Ac 10:29-32; 11:13-14 5. Cornelius and his household were ready "to hear all things commanded you by God" - Ac 10:33 |
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58 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26806 | ||
E. AS PETER BEGINS TO SPEAK, THE SPIRIT FALLS UPON THE LISTENERS... 1. At this point, we need to carefully note the actual sequence of events 2. Luke's record gives attention to the sermon first, and then the Spirit coming upon the Gentiles - cf. Ac 10:34-44 a. But Luke also says that "while Peter was still speaking... the Holy Spirit fell" b. From this we do not exactly when the Spirit fell c. It could have been at the beginning, in the middle, toward the end, of his sermon 3. Peter, however, explained what happened "in order from the beginning" - Ac 11:4 a. He describes the events as they happened b. He says "as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them" - Ac 11:15 4. So we learn from Peter that the Spirit actually came upon the Gentiles at the BEGINNING of the sermon! 5. With the Spirit falling upon the Gentiles, they began speaking with tongues, which amazed Peter and his Jewish companions - Ac 10:45-46; cf. Ac 2:4,6,8,11 F. PETER'S SERMON TO THE HOUSEHOLD OF CORNELIUS... 1. He begins with a full perception that God shows no partiality - Ac 10:34-35 a. A perception started with the vision of the sheet and unclean beasts b. A perception continued with the Spirit's instruction to go with the messengers c. A perception made clear with the Spirit falling upon the Gentiles - Ac 11:15-17 2. Peter then proceeds to proclaim Jesus Christ - Ac 10:36-43 a. As Lord who was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power - Ac 10:36-38 b. Who was killed, but then raised from the dead and seen by eyewitnesses who knew Him well - Ac 10:39-41 c. Who has commanded the apostles to proclaim Him as ordained by God to be the Judge of the living and dead - Ac 10:42 d. Through Whom remission of sins is offered to those who believe - Ac 10:43 G. PETER COMMANDS THEM TO BE BAPTIZED... 1. How could anyone forbid water to those who had received the Spirit just as the apostles did? - Ac 10:47; cf. 11:17-18 2. So Cornelius and his household were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord - Ac 10:48 [The events surrounding this conversion are certainly remarkable. They evidently were intended to convey important truths. As we endeavor to glean what those truths were, here are some...] |
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59 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26807 | ||
II. OBSERVATIONS REGARDING THIS CONVERSION A. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE NEED TO BE SAVED... 1. Many people believe that if you are religious, you will be saved a. That if you go to church, do good, etc., you have a hope of heaven b. That you will have earned the right to enter heaven 2. Yet, though Cornelius was a man who... a. Was a devout man b. Feared God with his whole family c. Gave alms generously d. Prayed to God always ...he still needed to be told "words by which you and all your household will be saved" 3. Clearly, being religious isn't what saves you (it's the blood of Christ!) B. THE GOSPEL IS FOR ALL... 1. Peter perceived that God is no respecter of persons - Ac 10: 34-35 2. Indeed, God desires that ALL men be saved - cf. Jn 3:16; 1 Ti 2:3-6; 2 Pe 3:9 -- Therefore He has not predestined some to be saved and others lost! C. THE PURPOSE OF THE SPIRIT FALLING... 1. Some presume that the purpose was to save Cornelius and his family a. That therefore they were saved before obeying the command to be baptized b. But the Spirit came upon them as Peter "began to speak", before they could hear words by which they could be saved! - cf. Ac 11:14-15 2. The purpose of the Spirit can be gleaned from the following: a. The effect it had on the Jewish brethren who were present, and Peter's response - Ac 10:45-47 b. The reaction of the Jewish brethren in Jerusalem when Peter told them what happened - Ac 11:17-18 c. Peter's explanation at the council held later in Jerusalem - Ac 15:7-11 3. The purpose of the Spirit falling on them was therefore to show Jewish brethren... a. That God was no respecter of persons - Ac 10:34-35 b. That God was willing to grant them opportunity to repent and have life - Ac 11:18 c. That Gentiles could be saved in the same way as Jews... 1) By faith, repentance, and baptism - Ac 15:9,11; cf. 2:38 with 10:48 2) Which faith comes through hearing the word of God - Ro 10:17 D. THE POINT AT WHICH CORNELIUS WAS SAVED... 1. Remember that Cornelius was told to send for Peter, who would tell him: a. "what you must do." - Ac 10:6 b. "words by which you...shall be saved." - Ac 11:14 2. From this, and from what we have already seen in other conversions... a. Cornelius was not saved until he heard the "words" (i.e., after the sermon) b. Cornelius was not saved until he obeyed what he was told to do c. What were the words he was told to do? 1) Certainly they were told to believe, as implied in Ac 10:43 2) Clearly they were told to be baptized, as commanded in Ac 10:48 3. Thus Cornelius and his household were not saved until they "believed and were baptized"! - cf. Mk 16:16; Ac 8:12,13 |
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60 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26808 | ||
1. So while miraculous events surrounded the conversion of "Cornelius And His Household", their salvation was no different from what we have already seen... a. They heard the gospel of Jesus Christ b. They were taught to believe and be baptized -- Thus they were saved "in the same manner" as all those previously 2. As Peter said at the council, it is "through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ" that both Gentiles and Jews are saved - cf. Ac 15:11 a. We are saved by grace, not works - cf. Ep 2:5,8; Ti 3:4-5 b. For it is not enough to be religious... 1) Who could be more religious than Cornelius? 2) Or even the 3000 at Pentecost, or the Ethiopian eunuch? 3. The grace of God which saves does require a response, however... a. A response of faith - Ac 10:43 b. A faith in Jesus that comes by hearing the gospel - Ac 10:42 c. A faith which expresses itself in obedience - cf. He 5:9 1) E.g., repentance and baptism - cf. Ac 2:38; 3:19; 10:48 2) Not as works of merit, but as acts of faith by which one receives God's grace Those of us who are not descended from Israel can rejoice in what God revealed with the conversion of "Cornelius And His Household". As properly concluded by the Jewish brethren in Jerusalem: "...God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." (Ac 11:16) |
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