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21 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 18245 | ||
Friend(your letter wasn't signed), I absolutely beleive our common beliefs far out weigh or differences. And I certainly don't want our differences to divide us. But I do beleive that we need to study out our differences and come to a mutual agreement for the scripture says, "let them be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you have sent me" John 17:23. So for the sake of Christ and His Gospel, let us continue to study out these issues, "with gentleness and respect", so we can let the world know Christ HAS sent us! Kin |
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22 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 18246 | ||
Friend, I am involved in putting together a study of the Holy Spirit as we speak. It is a difficult subject, and my hope is that this study will shead some light on it. Kin |
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23 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 20487 | ||
Hey Tim, Long time since we've talked. Hope you are doing well. I've been doing a lot of study on baptism. It runs deep! The only thing I can say to you is to study out the stuff I put on the forum. Upon study of these points I've seen no Scriptural basis for baptism to be anything but water baptism that saves you. I suggest that you approach this study trying to find what water baptism is (if not for salvation). DIG into the study on the forum, it has lots of great insights. One can't study out these things in depth and leave unanswered questions. That would be dangerous for their faith. So dig in and get back to me. Take your time, I'll be here:) Kin |
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24 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 20989 | ||
Hey retxar, have you looked at the study on baptism that was posted 10/1? Acts 10:47-48 shows us that to be baptized into Christ is to be baptized with water. What do you think? Kin |
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25 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 21130 | ||
Rextar, Thank you for your reply. You said yourself that the apostles were surprised the Gentiles received the Spirit just as they did (Acts 11:15). The Spirit came on the apostles in a unique way, only to be replicated with this Gentile conversion. You quote Acts 10:35 to defend the idea that some Gentiles must have been converted after Pentecost and before Acts 10:44. Did you read the passage (Acts 10:34-35) in context? Peter says “I NOW REALIZE how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accept men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.” See Acts 11:1-18; Peter explaining to his Jewish brothers why he went to a Gentiles house, and you will see that the Jews were just accepting the fact that God accepts Gentiles too (Acts 11:18). Point being is that the Spirit was given without baptism only to usher in the Kingdom of God, first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles. My challenge to you is to show me IN THE SCRIPTURES where the Bible says what water baptism is. Also, why did the Lord Jesus command his apostles in the great commission (Matt. 28:18-20) to baptize? Does the Bible command this baptism without any explanation? There is a great study on the forum about this whole subject (page 3, 10-01-01). If you want to seriously study this out, I suggest you dig into the book of Acts and use the study on the forum. I have spent the last month doing so myself , it’s a deep subject that needs time to understand fully. Look forward to hearing from you, Kin |
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26 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 21132 | ||
Hank, How would you define faith? Kin |
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27 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 21416 | ||
Thank you for your response, I feel that it was done with "gentleness and respect".Nevertheless, we still have this issue to discuss so I would have to hash this out with you. I asked if you could show me where in the scriptures the Bible defines what water baptism is? Please respond. And, please, take some time to dig into the study I pointed out to you on the forum. It is very thorogh. I can debate the point of baptism till I am blue in the face. I have done in depth study on the issue. I think you should look at this issue with an unbiased heart and do that study on the forum, because it has a lot of what I would have to say anyway. Look foward to hearing from you, Kin |
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28 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 21428 | ||
Hank, Is believing that we participate in the death burial and resserection of Christ in baptism take faith? Is it a saving faith to obey Acts 2:38? Is it unfathomable to think that God would use the waters of baptism to accomplish this? “Works” are following the Law, faith is obeying God. “Repent and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS AND YOU WILL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.” If one passage says to simply believe and this one says to be baptized, do I dare to pick and choose or do I accept them both? Consider the faith that it took for Naaman to be healed: “ The letter that he took to the king of Israel read: "With this letter I am sending my servant Naaman to you so that you may cure him of his leprosy." As soon as the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his robes and said, "Am I God? Can I kill and bring back to life? Why does this fellow send someone to me to be cured of his leprosy? See how he is trying to pick a quarrel with me!" When Elisha the man of God heard that the king of Israel had torn his robes, he sent him this message: "Why have you torn your robes? Have the man come to me and he will know that there is a prophet in Israel." So Naaman went with his horses and chariots and stopped at the door of Elisha's house. Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, "Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan. But Naaman went away angry and said, "I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel? Couldn't I wash in them and be cleansed?" So he turned and went off in a rage. Naaman's servants went to him and said, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more, then, when he tells you, Wash and be cleansed!" So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy.” 2 Kings 5 Did the water heal him or his faith as he went into the water? And would have he been healed if he didn’t go into the water? Is baptism any different? Does the water save you? No But going into the water with faith does. Take a look at the study I put on the forum 10-01-01. It’s very in depth and insightful. (I didn’t make it up, I got it online). I look forward to hearing from you, Kin |
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29 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 21675 | ||
Hey reetxar, I do believe that we have tons in common in our beliefs. The reason I am so insistant is that the topic we are disscussing is a salvation issue. The questions you asked me are all answered in the study I told you about. As far as 1 Peter 3:21, the Bible says that "this water (the flood waters )symbolize baptism that now saves you also." It's not saying baptism is a symbol, it plainly says the flood waters are the symbol. The flood waters wiped out the sin in the world and saved Noah. Just as baptism wipes out sin and saves you. "Not the removal of dirt, but the pledge of a clear conscience before God". Peter is saying it's not a ritual cleaning like the old law required (he was addressing fellow Jews). It was more than that, it was an act of faith. Col. 3:12 "Having been buried with him in baptim and raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead." Without giving me your explanation of what baptism in water means from the scriptures, one is left to wonder why Jesus commanded it in the great commission. The answer rings out clear from Peter: “Repent and be baptized all of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” The very first sermon given. I think it does take faith to be saved. Why is it so hard to believe God would use the waters of baptism to connect us to the saving blood of our Lord? “Or don’t you know that all of us who are baptized into Christ have been baptized into his death. We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father we too may live a new life.” Rom. 6:1-10 . Is there faith in believing this? When James defines faith (chap.3), he shows us a faith that is an acting faith. So why get in a tizzy when we are commanded to be baptized for the forgiveness of our sins? I haven’t done anything to earn my salvation (works). But as far as going under the waters of baptism with a clear understanding of what it means, I would say that I have obeyed Gods command given by Jesus himself. I hope you do check out that study and approach it with an unbiased heart and much prayer to want to know the the truth. “You will seek me and find me if you seek me with all your heart.” Jer. 29:11 Kin |
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30 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 22500 | ||
Hank, I will agree on the issue that Jesus is the way and without him we are lost. And I know that the man that seeks the truth wholeheartedly will find that way (Jer. 29:11). So where ever we disagree on the issue of conversion, my prayer is that through wholehearted seeking we will both enter into Glory together. Kin |
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31 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 22502 | ||
If 29 postings aren’t enough to convince people then I will need to write more. I think the apostles ran into much more controversy over the issue than I ever could. If I gave up perusing this issue then I either don’t care about the salvation of others and I don’t truly believe what I preach. It took much study and much time by my brothers to help me to see the truth in the Bible, I am glad they didn’t give up on me. I just want to do as much for others. Kin |
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32 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 22787 | ||
Steve, A look at the passage doesn’t say specifically what the antitypes are for Noah and the ark. It does say that Noah was saved; and that because he obeyed God. One could even say that it was his faith that saved him. After all, it must of taken a lot of faith to spend about 75-100 years building an ark in the desert with only three other men helping him (his sons in laws). Probably laughed at and scoffed at the whole time. But his faith in what God said drove him to build the ark and thus be saved. Maybe the ark is symbolic to the church. Those in the church are saved; those in the ark were saved. Just a thought. “For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand--with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.” 1 Peter 3:20-21 What the passage does say is that “baptism now saves you also”. Doesn’t make any sense in my humanistic thinking that God would use the waters of baptism to connect me with Jesus’ death burial and resurrection. But then again, I bet it didn’t make much sense to Noah to build an ark in the desert. So I guess all we can do when it doesn’t make sense in our flesh is to obey with our heart. |
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33 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 25650 | ||
Thank you for your reply, You have come up with a fine sounding argument about water baptism being "an outward sign of an inward grace" but have left no scriptural basis for this belief. I've heard this definition before and have yet to see where it teaches this in the Bible. What is the baptism Jesus commands in Matt. 28:18-20? If it isn't water baptism then the Bible leaves this baptism undefined. Kin |
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34 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 25651 | ||
Thank you for your reply, You have come up with a fine sounding argument about water baptism being "an outward sign of an inward grace" but have left no scriptural basis for this belief. I've heard this definition before and have yet to see where it teaches this in the Bible. What is the baptism Jesus commands in Matt. 28:18-20? If it isn't water baptism then the Bible leaves this baptism undefined. Kin |
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35 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26213 | ||
Hi Nolan, The "magical element" in the waters of baptism is your faith! "Having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through you faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead." Col. 2:12 To say that we don't have the choice to accept the gift of salvation God freely gives us nullifies the faith it takes to save us! Yes salvation comes through Christ alone, He has provided the door through which we enter through. "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, brothers, what shall we do? Peter replied, repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call.With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, save yourselves from this corrupt generation. Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.” Acts 2:37-41 The Word clearly teaches that there is action to be taken on our part. Repentence is personal, something you do. I don’t know anyone that is in Christ that hasn’t truly repented. I am not saying that anything we do saves us. But I do say that obeying the Word of God will save us. If God says repent and be baptized than why do you think it is so wrong to obey? Please reply to the question I asked about Matt.28:18-20. Kin |
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36 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26215 | ||
Searcher, My belief is that the two baptisms take place at the same time. Why else would the Lord command it in Matt. 28:18-20? Do you know any other Biblical explanation that defines water baptism? Acts 22:16 together with Matt.28:18-20 actually defends water baptism for salvation. Read Acts 2:38 for further Scripture. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I have yet to see Scripture to define water baptism to be "an outward sign of an inward grace". I looked into the history of the church a bit and actually that doctrine just surfaced about 200 years ago. I encourage you to study this subject in more depth and to do so with an unbiased heart. A heart that God will answer if you truly want to know. Kin |
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37 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26216 | ||
Actually my question was asked because no one on the forum has yet to answer it. Let me reword it. Where in the Bible does it say that water baptism is no more than a sign? And please do not reply unless you use scripture, thanx. Kin |
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38 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26221 | ||
Searcher, Thank you for the reply. I actually have studied baptism out in length. I've been studying it out in length for about 6 1/2 years. The reason I asked the question is to challenge people to look into it for themselves. Did you know that no where in the Bible is water baptism defined as an outward sign? That doctrine surfaced only the last 200 years and has no Biblical proof. If you study (water) baptism out with the point of veiw that it saves, you will find all the pieces fit. I am not suggesting that it is anything we do that saves us. But it is obedience to Gods command that saves us. Also look up this web site for some awesome studies on baptism and dozens of other things: ccel.org/contrib./exec_outlines/index.html Look into it and let me know what you think. Kin |
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39 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26222 | ||
Ask your Bible teacher to show you where it says water baptism is a sign in the Bible. Kin |
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40 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26558 | ||
Nolan, Again, I ask, where is the scripture that says water baptism is an outward sign? You can go over this question a million times, but without scripture you are stating your own opinion. Kin |
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