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61 | is the bible the inerrent word of God? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26809 | ||
OK. I ended up with the post in my email. Sorry. Kin |
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62 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26813 | ||
To understand conversion one has to understand the book of Acts. All the letters were written to churches; christians. Of coarse you won't find the details of conversion in the letters because they were written to people that already knew how to be converted. This explains why it doesn't always mention repentence, but it is essential to salvation. Does the lack of mentioning repentance nullify the need to repent? No. It is the same with baptism. So, again I say, look to the book of Acts. There you find baptism everywhere! I have wrestled with this subject from both points of veiw for the past 6 1/2 years and the scripture proves again and again when taken in context, that Gods command to be baptized is essential to salvation. Have you sincerely looked at this issue from both points of veiw without any preconceived notions? Can it hurt? If I didn't care I wouldn't keep this up. Kin |
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63 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26840 | ||
The point being made was that baptism isn't a work but it is an act of obedience to Gods command. I don't preach two gospels but one. Rightousness in the old test. was obtained through the same faith that saves us in the new test. but with different conditions. Gen. 12 God called Abram to leave his country. His faith was shown from the very beginning through his obedience. The new test. commands us to be baptized (Acts 2:38; Mark 16:16:Matt. 28:18-20). Your faith is reflected in your obedience to Gods command. Kin |
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64 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26842 | ||
Mark 16:16 1 Peter 3:21 This water now SAVES you Acts 2:38 |
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65 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 27292 | ||
The old test. sacrifices were animals and couldn't completely cleanse. Jesus is the new "condition". Completed at his death. The curtain of the temple was ripped in two. Signifing the end of the old covenent and the beginning of the new. Baptism is "being buried with him in his death..."Rom 6:1-10. No one was buried in Jesus death in the old test. He came, died and estalished it at "the proper time." God changed the "conditions" because The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. Then I said, Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God."First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." Kin |
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66 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 27544 | ||
I like to use the example in 2 Kings 5. Although it has nothing to do with salvation, it has a lot to do with faith and illustrates a good point. Now Naaman was commander of the army of the king of Aram. He was a great man in the sight of his master and highly regarded, because through him the LORD had given victory to Aram. He was a valiant soldier, but he had leprosy. Now bands from Aram had gone out and had taken captive a young girl from Israel, and she served Naaman's wife.She said to her mistress, "If only my master would see the prophet who is in Samaria! He would cure him of his leprosy." Naaman went to his master and told him what the girl from Israel had said. "By all means, go," the king of Aram replied. "I will send a letter to the king of Israel." So Naaman left, taking with him ten talents of silver, six thousand shekels of gold and ten sets of clothing.The letter that he took to the king of Israel read: "With this letter I am sending my servant Naaman to you so that you may cure him of his leprosy."As soon as the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his robes and said, "Am I God? Can I kill and bring back to life? Why does this fellow send someone to me to be cured of his leprosy? See how he is trying to pick a quarrel with me!"When Elisha the man of God heard that the king of Israel had torn his robes, he sent him this message: "Why have you torn your robes? Have the man come to me and he will know that there is a prophet in Israel." So Naaman went with his horses and chariots and stopped at the door of Elishas house.Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, "Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed." But Naaman went away angry and said, "I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel? Couldn't I wash in them and be cleansed?" So he turned and went off in a rage. Naaman's servants went to him and said, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more, then, when he tells you, Wash and be cleansed!" So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy. Then Naaman and all his attendants went back to the man of God. He stood before him and said, "Now I know that there is no God in all the world except in Israel. Please accept now a gift from your servant." Point to make is this: Naaman went on the word of the servant girl to be healed. When arriving at the prophets house he didn’t get what he expected and went off in a rage. Would he have been healed if he didn’t go to the Jordan and dip himself seven times as he was instructed? Was it the water that healed him? Or was it faith, accompanied by obedience that healed him. It was his faith that the prophet could heal him and his obedience to go into the water that healed him. It is the same with baptism. Does the water save you? Or is it the faith accompanied by obedience that saves you? It is the faith that Jesus is the Son of God and obedience to the command to be baptized that saves you. Without faith your just getting wet; without obedience you are disobeying God. As John states “We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says I know him but does not do what he commands is a liar and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:3-4 Or as Paul states in Col. 2:12-“Having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead.” Rom. 6 is the potrayal of what happens to the person at baptism. That is why he address the Christians, Don’t you know? Of course they do, baptism was a given back then. Kin |
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67 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 33025 | ||
I agree with you. If we have the freewill to sin after salvation, do we have the freewill to leave God? Kin | ||||||
68 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 34322 | ||
Thank you for your reply. I agree with you. Another good Scripture (one of many) is John 15. Love is a two way street, how can we have a relationship with God if we decide to turn away from Him? I am glad God gave us free will, because without free will there is no love...Kin |
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69 | When does forgiveness occur? | NT general Archive 1 | kin | 24336 | ||
Hey Guy, It’s nice to see someone on the forum with the same convictions on baptism! So far you are the only one I agree with. I was baptized in April of 95, after a long time of bible study. I am grateful that brother persevered with me or I wouldn’t be here talking to you (unless God had other plans!) I would dare ask what church you are from. Have you ever heard of “Upcyberdown”? It is a website from my church. I am interested in talking some more with you on your doctrine. Send me a line. Kin |
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70 | When does forgiveness occur? | NT general Archive 1 | kin | 24585 | ||
Hey Guy, The address to that site is www.upcyberdown.org I'm not sure what you mean by placing my e-mail address in my profile. Please help me out with that. Thanx. I am a member of the International Church of Christ. It is a branch off from the "mainline" Church of Christ. The two churches have very similar doctrine with the exception of the use of music in worship and the practice of "discipling". I too came to Christ after studying the Bible and seeing my sin, repenting, confessing Jesus as my Lord, being baptized for the forgiveness of my sins and to live for Him and obeying His teachings. I'm bummed that the two churches are divided over those issues. You would think that these things could be resolved for the sake of Christ. Are they issues of salvation? I don't believe so. But we can disscuss these things further. Kin |
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71 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | kin | 24844 | ||
Gloria Lynn, My belief is that we can walk away from God. It is from a hardening of the heart, which comes from unrepented sin. Consider: Do we all sin? Yes. Is sin without effect? No! What is the remedy? Christs blood. So why does James 5:16 tell us to confess our sins to each other to be healed? How could the Christians in Corinth be involved in sexual morality? 1 Cor. 5. Is that lifestyle acceptable to God? Why does Paul tell the Christians in Galatians 5:19-21 that living that lifestyle will not allow them to enter the Kingdom of God? What is Jesus talking about in John 3:19-21 about coming into the light? Do we obey God because we love Him? 2 Cor. 5:14. Or do we learn to love as we obey? Luke 12:34 Why does Jesus say in John 10:28-29 that no one can snatch them from my Fathers hand? But the Hebrew writer says in 6:4-12 and 10:26-39 we can lose our salvation? I am asking these questions to stimulate us to dig deeper to find an answer that will satisfy them all. The doctrine “once saved always saved” comes from the lack of using the Bible as a whole and relying on one or two scriptures to base your whole belief system on. When you look at the scriptures I just referenced ( amongst many other scriptures ) you are left with contradictions with this belief. And we know the Bible cannot contradict itself. From studying the subject over the years I have come to the conclusion that: A: We are saved though Gods grace. That is we can only have our salvation because God decided to give us a way to receive it. Which leaves us the CHOICE to accept it or not. B: Jesus blood cleanses our sins away, any sin and all sin, if we continue in Him (walking in the light). 1: Confessing our sin is part of walking in the light. James 5:16 2: Fighting the spiritual battle against Satan and the temptation to sin is our conscious effort to walk in the light. Eph. 6:10-18 3: Encouraging each other to keep from being deceived by Satan. Heb. 3:12-19 4: Watching our life and doctrine will save ourselves and our hearers. 1 Tim.4:16 The list goes on and on. A thorough study of the New Test. teaches again and again that we need to obey God commands and that involves our personal choice to do so or not to do so. Every time we choose not to obey, we don’t lose our salvation, but we harden our hearts. The more we disobey, the harder our hearts become (this is a “lifestyle” Paul is referring to in Gal. 5:19). The hard heart turns from God (Heb. 3:12-19) We make a choice to accept Jesus as our Savior and we have the power to choose not to want Him as our Savoir. Without choice there is no love, God wants us to make the choice to love. I hope I’ve spurred you on to dig deeper into the Word. Let me know what you think. Kin Ps check out the study on Heb. 6 that was posted 12-1 at 11:16 |
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72 | infant death | Is 7:16 | kin | 25325 | ||
I agree with Nolan on this.Children are saved up to an age of accountability. Yet this brings up a question that will challenge many on this forum. Some say that we can't lose our salvation, yet a child loses their salvation if they don't grow up to accept Jesus. This is a contradictary statement but a belief that is held by some. So are children condemmed until they accept Jesus or is there a falling away of those who grow up not accepting Christ? | ||||||
73 | infant death | Is 7:16 | kin | 25636 | ||
Hi Nolan, I like your reply on the salvation of children. I would agree with you on this assumption. But I would disagree with the idea that a person did not fully and wholeheartedly repent of their sins as an explanation to why they have left Christ. The scripture teaches that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit; by their fruit you will recognize them. I have know a few people that were faithful to the Lord. Their faith reflected in their life; I knew them. But these people have turned away from God and are no longer with us. In Gods grace we are given the opportunity to accept Christ or not; the choice is always there. But it is a daily battle to stay faithful. Heb. 3:12-15 I beleive that although sin is forgiven, it still can harden or hearts if it goes unrepented of. Ultimately our hearts can be hardened to the point where we turn or backs on God. Gods grace is from God and is irrevocable; our faith is from ourselves and we are left with the choice. Take away our choice and we take away the ability to love. I know this is a very controversial issue, but my position in this forum is to gain understanding and hopefully give some back. Give me some feedback and we can discuss this further. Kin |
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74 | infant death | Is 7:16 | kin | 25645 | ||
Hi Lisa, Thank you for the reply. I too believe you can lose your salvation. The Bible is full of exortations to remain faithful. Some other readings:Heb.6:4,10:26,John 15 Kin |
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75 | Once Save; Always Saved? | John 6:37 | kin | 15083 | ||
JD, I have to agree with sister D. To take bits of scripture and base ones whole belief/doctrine on it is dangerous! 1 Tim. 4:16 teaches us to watch our life and doctrine CLOSELY. A great example is the popular John 3:16. Many use this verse to teach that all you have to do is beleive to be saved. Yet Jesus teaches in John 8:31-32 that we need to hold to his teachings to even know the truth! Jesus taught us how to have a relationship with God. God gave us the choice to love him or not to love him. Once you are saved, does that nullify choice? Are you not capable of turning your back on God? If you didn't have a choice you would be a puppet on strings. God doesn't want that. He wants your heart. Remember, without choice there is no love. |
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76 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | kin | 15251 | ||
Once you have accepted Jesus' sacrifice does not mean you will accept it the rest of your life. GOD guareentees us life if we are willing to take it. The decision isn't one day, it's a decision we need to make everyday. We can't take away choice. God gave us the ability to choose because he wants to have a relationship with us. God will not force us to stay with Him if we want to walk away, just like I can't force my wife to stay with me if she ever wanted to walk away. | ||||||
77 | Once Save; Always Saved? | John 6:37 | kin | 15257 | ||
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have recieved the Knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left. But only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."Heb. 10:26-27 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because[2] to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. 9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case--things that accompany salvation. 10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.Heb. 6:4-12 And how do we make our hope sure? Repentence is the point being left out in all these letters I am reading. Jesus came with grace and truth. John 1:17. The grace covers over our gazzion faults, but that doesn't take away our responsibility to repent, to obey, to live for God. That is the truth! That is why the Hebrew writer tells them to be diligent in the things they were doing! And by the way, we get our eternal life when Jesus comes on the last day! All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.Heb. 11:13-16 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40 God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect Heb. 11:39-40 Study this chapter in Heb. and you will see that faith is what saves them and that same faith saves us. We both receive the promise on the last day. "Together with us." So my encouragement to you is to live your life for God. Go after the things in your character that cause you to sin, and remember the amazing love our Father has for us so that when you do sin you can come before him with a heart of repentence and receive mercy! |
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78 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | kin | 15380 | ||
Hank, Your analogy of the lost son is innaccurate. In vs. 31-32 you will see that the son was "lost but is found, dead but alive." The context of chap. 15 is sinners that need to repent. If the son never came back to the father he would have remained "dead" and "lost". But he did repent saying "I have sinned against heaven and you.""I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[1] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. John 15 Here Jesus gives us the choice to remain in him or not to. If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. 22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. Rom. 11 We see here that we need to stand by faith. Our part of the covenent. To say that Jesus has to be crucified over and over is not what I said. Absolutely his blood covers over all sins! But the covenent that God gave us requires us to have a heart of repentence in order to "remain in him". The ability to choose, that God gave us from the beginning when Adam and Eve chose to disobey God and were thrown out of the garden, was given to us because God wants us to stay with him because we want to. If you take away the ability to choose you you take away love. And as far as a child of God wanting to leave for Satan...I have seen those committed to Christ turn back to the world because they were unwilling to pick up their cross and deny themselves, a cost that Jesus tells us to count before we follow him (Luke 9:23). We are all subject to temptations. If we are unwilling to walk the narrow way, and try to change the things in our lives that caause us to sin, those very things will entangle us all over again and harden our hearts for God, turning us back to yhe world. Peter warns us that it will happen; 2 Peter2:20-22 -Kin |
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79 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | kin | 15674 | ||
Hank, Thank you for your response. A couple of things I have to clear up. One is that I dont believe salvation is based on the good works you do. My point is that sin, though forgiven, still can harden the heart of the believer if there is not an active part on the part of the christian to repent of it. Can a christian be sexually immoral? 1 Cor. 5 makes that clear. Can a christian continue to be immoral and live for God? His house is divided, he will fall! Consider these passages in Heb. 6 and Heb. 10. It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God Jesus talks about the same issue in John 15. "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned I never said that Jesus takes back his salvation every time we sin. But I hope I made it clearer that if we don't repent and actively try to change the things in our lives that cause us to sin, we will harden our hearts towards God and turn away from him, and lose our salvation. About Luke 15. Your explaination of this passage is entirerly speculation. The passage does't say that the "son will remain a son no matter what; he is forever a son; etc." But it does say in the passage below that the son "was DEAD and is ALIVE AGAIN, he was LOST and is FOUND." If the son never returned to the father (repentence) he would have remained "dead" and "lost". An explanation of this scripture outside of what it clearly says is not something I want to hang my coat on. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!' 31 "My son, the father said, you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found." Please respond to the scriptures I showed you and give me your point of view. I look foward to hearing from you. This is good for my study! -Kin |
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80 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | kin | 15945 | ||
"if his conversion was truly genuine"? Was yours? How do you know? Is that eternal security, not knowing for sure? Do we have to say the right words? Feel the right way? If a "believer" leaves christ do you right him off as "never a believer"? " A good tree cannot bear bad fruit;by their fruit you will recognize them" A believer will live a life for christ. Will live according to the word of God. If a person lives for God it will be clear to all. "By this all men will know you are my disciples, if you love one another." Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. God doesn't leave us wondering who is saved and who is not. His word "is living and active, it judges the thoughts and the attitudes of the heart." Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. Gods word says we can tell those that are saved from those that are not. So if someone is living for God and turns away and goes back to his old life, it will be very obvious. He has denied the faith and is jepordizing his salvation. Kin |
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