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41 | Only 900 "baptism" posts | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 26396 | ||
Obviously there is much confusion on the subject. And there has yet to be any Scripture to back up some of the things proclaimed. Like- Where does it say water baptism is an outward sign? The lack of Biblical support is Satans playground. Especially for those with a lack of Bible knowledge. I hope the things that are posted from now on are backed up with firm scripture. Kin |
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42 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 26395 | ||
Water and the spirit refers to water baptism. To say that Jesus was talking about physical birth is a guess at best. When we use scripture with scripture we get an answer that is Biblicly sound without any guessing. "Peter replied repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is for you and for all that are far off, for all whom the Lord our God will call." Acts 2:35-41 Repent- change your ways Matt. 3:8 baptism- as the Lord commanded it in Matt. 28:18-20 forgiveness of sins- sin seperates us from our God. Isaiah 59:1-2 The promise- Given to Abraham for his decendents Gal. 4:21-31 The Holy Spirit- the deposit guarenteeing our inheritence. Eph.1:14 The doctrine of "praying Jesus into your heart" or "believing" amoungst some others just came about the last 200 years and was never practiced in the early church. Look into it for your self. This doctrine when studied out thoroughly is left with many holes and is not Biblicly sound. I hope you will be open to looking into these things. Kin |
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43 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26222 | ||
Ask your Bible teacher to show you where it says water baptism is a sign in the Bible. Kin |
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44 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26221 | ||
Searcher, Thank you for the reply. I actually have studied baptism out in length. I've been studying it out in length for about 6 1/2 years. The reason I asked the question is to challenge people to look into it for themselves. Did you know that no where in the Bible is water baptism defined as an outward sign? That doctrine surfaced only the last 200 years and has no Biblical proof. If you study (water) baptism out with the point of veiw that it saves, you will find all the pieces fit. I am not suggesting that it is anything we do that saves us. But it is obedience to Gods command that saves us. Also look up this web site for some awesome studies on baptism and dozens of other things: ccel.org/contrib./exec_outlines/index.html Look into it and let me know what you think. Kin |
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45 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26216 | ||
Actually my question was asked because no one on the forum has yet to answer it. Let me reword it. Where in the Bible does it say that water baptism is no more than a sign? And please do not reply unless you use scripture, thanx. Kin |
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46 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26215 | ||
Searcher, My belief is that the two baptisms take place at the same time. Why else would the Lord command it in Matt. 28:18-20? Do you know any other Biblical explanation that defines water baptism? Acts 22:16 together with Matt.28:18-20 actually defends water baptism for salvation. Read Acts 2:38 for further Scripture. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I have yet to see Scripture to define water baptism to be "an outward sign of an inward grace". I looked into the history of the church a bit and actually that doctrine just surfaced about 200 years ago. I encourage you to study this subject in more depth and to do so with an unbiased heart. A heart that God will answer if you truly want to know. Kin |
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47 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26213 | ||
Hi Nolan, The "magical element" in the waters of baptism is your faith! "Having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through you faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead." Col. 2:12 To say that we don't have the choice to accept the gift of salvation God freely gives us nullifies the faith it takes to save us! Yes salvation comes through Christ alone, He has provided the door through which we enter through. "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, brothers, what shall we do? Peter replied, repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call.With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, save yourselves from this corrupt generation. Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.” Acts 2:37-41 The Word clearly teaches that there is action to be taken on our part. Repentence is personal, something you do. I don’t know anyone that is in Christ that hasn’t truly repented. I am not saying that anything we do saves us. But I do say that obeying the Word of God will save us. If God says repent and be baptized than why do you think it is so wrong to obey? Please reply to the question I asked about Matt.28:18-20. Kin |
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48 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 25651 | ||
Thank you for your reply, You have come up with a fine sounding argument about water baptism being "an outward sign of an inward grace" but have left no scriptural basis for this belief. I've heard this definition before and have yet to see where it teaches this in the Bible. What is the baptism Jesus commands in Matt. 28:18-20? If it isn't water baptism then the Bible leaves this baptism undefined. Kin |
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49 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 25650 | ||
Thank you for your reply, You have come up with a fine sounding argument about water baptism being "an outward sign of an inward grace" but have left no scriptural basis for this belief. I've heard this definition before and have yet to see where it teaches this in the Bible. What is the baptism Jesus commands in Matt. 28:18-20? If it isn't water baptism then the Bible leaves this baptism undefined. Kin |
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50 | infant death | Is 7:16 | kin | 25645 | ||
Hi Lisa, Thank you for the reply. I too believe you can lose your salvation. The Bible is full of exortations to remain faithful. Some other readings:Heb.6:4,10:26,John 15 Kin |
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51 | infant death | Is 7:16 | kin | 25636 | ||
Hi Nolan, I like your reply on the salvation of children. I would agree with you on this assumption. But I would disagree with the idea that a person did not fully and wholeheartedly repent of their sins as an explanation to why they have left Christ. The scripture teaches that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit; by their fruit you will recognize them. I have know a few people that were faithful to the Lord. Their faith reflected in their life; I knew them. But these people have turned away from God and are no longer with us. In Gods grace we are given the opportunity to accept Christ or not; the choice is always there. But it is a daily battle to stay faithful. Heb. 3:12-15 I beleive that although sin is forgiven, it still can harden or hearts if it goes unrepented of. Ultimately our hearts can be hardened to the point where we turn or backs on God. Gods grace is from God and is irrevocable; our faith is from ourselves and we are left with the choice. Take away our choice and we take away the ability to love. I know this is a very controversial issue, but my position in this forum is to gain understanding and hopefully give some back. Give me some feedback and we can discuss this further. Kin |
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52 | infant death | Is 7:16 | kin | 25325 | ||
I agree with Nolan on this.Children are saved up to an age of accountability. Yet this brings up a question that will challenge many on this forum. Some say that we can't lose our salvation, yet a child loses their salvation if they don't grow up to accept Jesus. This is a contradictary statement but a belief that is held by some. So are children condemmed until they accept Jesus or is there a falling away of those who grow up not accepting Christ? | ||||||
53 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | kin | 24844 | ||
Gloria Lynn, My belief is that we can walk away from God. It is from a hardening of the heart, which comes from unrepented sin. Consider: Do we all sin? Yes. Is sin without effect? No! What is the remedy? Christs blood. So why does James 5:16 tell us to confess our sins to each other to be healed? How could the Christians in Corinth be involved in sexual morality? 1 Cor. 5. Is that lifestyle acceptable to God? Why does Paul tell the Christians in Galatians 5:19-21 that living that lifestyle will not allow them to enter the Kingdom of God? What is Jesus talking about in John 3:19-21 about coming into the light? Do we obey God because we love Him? 2 Cor. 5:14. Or do we learn to love as we obey? Luke 12:34 Why does Jesus say in John 10:28-29 that no one can snatch them from my Fathers hand? But the Hebrew writer says in 6:4-12 and 10:26-39 we can lose our salvation? I am asking these questions to stimulate us to dig deeper to find an answer that will satisfy them all. The doctrine “once saved always saved” comes from the lack of using the Bible as a whole and relying on one or two scriptures to base your whole belief system on. When you look at the scriptures I just referenced ( amongst many other scriptures ) you are left with contradictions with this belief. And we know the Bible cannot contradict itself. From studying the subject over the years I have come to the conclusion that: A: We are saved though Gods grace. That is we can only have our salvation because God decided to give us a way to receive it. Which leaves us the CHOICE to accept it or not. B: Jesus blood cleanses our sins away, any sin and all sin, if we continue in Him (walking in the light). 1: Confessing our sin is part of walking in the light. James 5:16 2: Fighting the spiritual battle against Satan and the temptation to sin is our conscious effort to walk in the light. Eph. 6:10-18 3: Encouraging each other to keep from being deceived by Satan. Heb. 3:12-19 4: Watching our life and doctrine will save ourselves and our hearers. 1 Tim.4:16 The list goes on and on. A thorough study of the New Test. teaches again and again that we need to obey God commands and that involves our personal choice to do so or not to do so. Every time we choose not to obey, we don’t lose our salvation, but we harden our hearts. The more we disobey, the harder our hearts become (this is a “lifestyle” Paul is referring to in Gal. 5:19). The hard heart turns from God (Heb. 3:12-19) We make a choice to accept Jesus as our Savior and we have the power to choose not to want Him as our Savoir. Without choice there is no love, God wants us to make the choice to love. I hope I’ve spurred you on to dig deeper into the Word. Let me know what you think. Kin Ps check out the study on Heb. 6 that was posted 12-1 at 11:16 |
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54 | When does forgiveness occur? | NT general Archive 1 | kin | 24585 | ||
Hey Guy, The address to that site is www.upcyberdown.org I'm not sure what you mean by placing my e-mail address in my profile. Please help me out with that. Thanx. I am a member of the International Church of Christ. It is a branch off from the "mainline" Church of Christ. The two churches have very similar doctrine with the exception of the use of music in worship and the practice of "discipling". I too came to Christ after studying the Bible and seeing my sin, repenting, confessing Jesus as my Lord, being baptized for the forgiveness of my sins and to live for Him and obeying His teachings. I'm bummed that the two churches are divided over those issues. You would think that these things could be resolved for the sake of Christ. Are they issues of salvation? I don't believe so. But we can disscuss these things further. Kin |
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55 | When does forgiveness occur? | NT general Archive 1 | kin | 24336 | ||
Hey Guy, It’s nice to see someone on the forum with the same convictions on baptism! So far you are the only one I agree with. I was baptized in April of 95, after a long time of bible study. I am grateful that brother persevered with me or I wouldn’t be here talking to you (unless God had other plans!) I would dare ask what church you are from. Have you ever heard of “Upcyberdown”? It is a website from my church. I am interested in talking some more with you on your doctrine. Send me a line. Kin |
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56 | What is a two-edge sword? | Heb 4:12 | kin | 24334 | ||
When I read this scripture, I think the writer is talking about the fact that the Bible “cuts” both ways. We can preach the Word to others and it can cut their hearts. At the same time we can be cut to the heart (see Acts 2:26-38). Hence, it “judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” Think of the Word of God as a surgeon’s scalpel. Someone with cancer needs the cancer (sin) removed from their body, but at the same time wants to leave the non-cancerous tissue intact. The surgeon’s scalpel is so sharp it separates the two, cutting away the cancer and leaving the living tissue. Doesn’t the Word of God do the same thing? Cutting the sin from our lives and leaving us with life. Describing the Word as a double-edged sword I believe suggests this. Because the Hebrew writer says it is “sharper than any double-edged sword” is just emphasizing the power of the Word. I don’t think there is any deeper meaning to the different references. Kin |
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57 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 22787 | ||
Steve, A look at the passage doesn’t say specifically what the antitypes are for Noah and the ark. It does say that Noah was saved; and that because he obeyed God. One could even say that it was his faith that saved him. After all, it must of taken a lot of faith to spend about 75-100 years building an ark in the desert with only three other men helping him (his sons in laws). Probably laughed at and scoffed at the whole time. But his faith in what God said drove him to build the ark and thus be saved. Maybe the ark is symbolic to the church. Those in the church are saved; those in the ark were saved. Just a thought. “For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand--with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.” 1 Peter 3:20-21 What the passage does say is that “baptism now saves you also”. Doesn’t make any sense in my humanistic thinking that God would use the waters of baptism to connect me with Jesus’ death burial and resurrection. But then again, I bet it didn’t make much sense to Noah to build an ark in the desert. So I guess all we can do when it doesn’t make sense in our flesh is to obey with our heart. |
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58 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 22502 | ||
If 29 postings aren’t enough to convince people then I will need to write more. I think the apostles ran into much more controversy over the issue than I ever could. If I gave up perusing this issue then I either don’t care about the salvation of others and I don’t truly believe what I preach. It took much study and much time by my brothers to help me to see the truth in the Bible, I am glad they didn’t give up on me. I just want to do as much for others. Kin |
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59 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 22500 | ||
Hank, I will agree on the issue that Jesus is the way and without him we are lost. And I know that the man that seeks the truth wholeheartedly will find that way (Jer. 29:11). So where ever we disagree on the issue of conversion, my prayer is that through wholehearted seeking we will both enter into Glory together. Kin |
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60 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 21675 | ||
Hey reetxar, I do believe that we have tons in common in our beliefs. The reason I am so insistant is that the topic we are disscussing is a salvation issue. The questions you asked me are all answered in the study I told you about. As far as 1 Peter 3:21, the Bible says that "this water (the flood waters )symbolize baptism that now saves you also." It's not saying baptism is a symbol, it plainly says the flood waters are the symbol. The flood waters wiped out the sin in the world and saved Noah. Just as baptism wipes out sin and saves you. "Not the removal of dirt, but the pledge of a clear conscience before God". Peter is saying it's not a ritual cleaning like the old law required (he was addressing fellow Jews). It was more than that, it was an act of faith. Col. 3:12 "Having been buried with him in baptim and raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead." Without giving me your explanation of what baptism in water means from the scriptures, one is left to wonder why Jesus commanded it in the great commission. The answer rings out clear from Peter: “Repent and be baptized all of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” The very first sermon given. I think it does take faith to be saved. Why is it so hard to believe God would use the waters of baptism to connect us to the saving blood of our Lord? “Or don’t you know that all of us who are baptized into Christ have been baptized into his death. We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father we too may live a new life.” Rom. 6:1-10 . Is there faith in believing this? When James defines faith (chap.3), he shows us a faith that is an acting faith. So why get in a tizzy when we are commanded to be baptized for the forgiveness of our sins? I haven’t done anything to earn my salvation (works). But as far as going under the waters of baptism with a clear understanding of what it means, I would say that I have obeyed Gods command given by Jesus himself. I hope you do check out that study and approach it with an unbiased heart and much prayer to want to know the the truth. “You will seek me and find me if you seek me with all your heart.” Jer. 29:11 Kin |
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