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41 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25210 | ||
I'm not sure. He spent most of his adult life in Ephesus and Rome from what I've read. I'm going to post several quotes by Justin Martyr that pertain to the "keeping of the law" and the "keeping of the Sabbath". It will take more than just this post, so I will follow one with the other. One of the things I find very interesting is that his words were written during the second century... before the RCC or Constantine had any real authority in the matter. The Bishops of Rome up through and including this time period were only that... Bishops. They held no authority over any churches in other cities. Exerpts from Justin Martyr's "First Apology". Chapter LXVII.-Weekly Worship of the Christians. And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,146 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability,147 and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given,148 and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. The remainder is from Justin Martyr's "Dialogue". He was speaking with Trypho a Jew (Rabbi Tarphon often mentioned in the Talmud). Chapter XVIII.-Christians Would Observe the Law, If They Did Not Know Why It Was Instituted. "For since you have read, O Trypho, as you yourself admitted, the doctrines taught by our Saviour, I do not think that I have done foolishly in adding some short utterances of His to the prophetic statements. Wash therefore, and be now clean, and put away iniquity from your souls, as God bids you be washed in this laver, and be circumcised with the true circumcision. For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,-namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us,-I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts? More to follow. |
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42 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25144 | ||
You enjoy semantics, don't you? :) Where did you get your "en", used in that verse -- from which translation or manuscript? Are you a Hebrew scholar? I am not. I have studied it a very little, but I still use a concordance when checking out specific words. Which Bible translation or interpretation do you use? If you have mentioned it, I don't remember. How do you know that YOURS is the perfect model? I use the KJV generally. And the KJV translates the Hebrew "e" as "or" in that verse. You said: If he believed that then why did he say that these shadows "are" (present tense)? My best opinion would be because all of the "shadows" represented by the Feast Days etc. had/have not been fulfilled yet. Example. If we read Daniel's prophecies, and then say "These 'are' prophecies of things to come", does that mean the prophecies automatically refer to something 'today' simply because we use the word "are"? I think verse 16 needs to be read in context, rather than picked apart... which was my point in bringing up the last part of Paul's statement. If you believe (and I'm not sure, so please tell me) that we are to keep a Saturday Sabbath, then using that same verse do you keep the Sabbath, along with the Feast Days of the Lord and the monthly Sabbaths? And by whose lead do you keep them? I mean, does the Lord tell you how to celebrate them now, or do you follow the Old Testament teachings in regard to those celebrations, or has a "teacher" somewhere taught you how to celebrate them? Need to leave... hopefully will talk later. God bless. |
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43 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 25141 | ||
Hi Lisa, I left the Catholic Church about 20 years ago. I think I may understand more than you think I do. You said: You can quote scripture to support it, I can as well. Please show me the scripture that supports your belief in purgatory. I'd be very interested in changing my mind if you can show scripture that says we can be cleansed from sin by anything other than the blood of Christ. Please show me scripture that says there are different degrees of sin, such as venial and mortal sins. What books were removed from the Bible that you think explain those concepts that are not NOW in the Bible? And you implied that you would answer the question if asked. So I asked, what Catholic label in your last post do you go by? Or what type of Catholic are you? I'm not sure how to even ask that question. If we are going to discuss "Christian" topics, then let's use scripture to "prove out" our points of view, okay? I'm sincerely interested in yours. Two more questions. Do you think Catholic doctrine is based on the Bible? And do you think the Bible is the inspired Word of God? God bless. |
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44 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 25139 | ||
Congratulations to the new family member, Lisa!! I agree you can't judge a denomination by one or two people. And I have not been doing that. I think I have been basing my remarks mostly on the differences between Catholic "teachings" and Biblical teachings, but you haven't responded to those particular subjects. Anyway, to suppose that because a few views have changed the whole system is, I think, wrong too. And what I was attempting to show you was that everything has not been changed by Vatican II. God bless. |
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45 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25113 | ||
In Leviticus 23:4 it tells us a little more about the Sabbath. "Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation (gathering together). You shall do no work on it, it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings." Seems to me he didn't tell them to go to the "tent" or the synagogue did He? The holy convocation of rest was to be held in "their dwellings". The Hebrew word for "dwellings" is "mowshab" meaning either an assembly or a dwelling (place). God expected the family and servants to have a day of rest one day a week. Isn't that why the rabbis made "rules" about just what could and couldn't be done on the day of rest? Did they make a rule that said everyone had to go to synogogue if it meant walking more than a mile?? Seems like they could only walk a mile on the day of rest. Is that right? Reminds me the Letter to the Hebrews (Jewish believers) 10:24-25 "And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, NOT FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER, AS IS THE MANNER (custom) OF SOME, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching." Even then, apparently everybody wasn't gathering together in a "service" of sorts! And the writer of Hebrews didn't say it was wrong to NOT assemble, but simply told those who were gathering together to keep gathering together. And it seems that the "gathering" that was spoken of had a purpose such as stirring up love and good works, and exhorting one another at/during the gathering. It doesn't sound a whole lot like most services today I don't think. |
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46 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25103 | ||
It may have even been earlier than 135 A.D. Justin Martyr (100-167 A.D.) told of his experience with Christian worship. He begins with "On Sunday a meeting is held..." He converted to Christianity as a youth, so if he switched from a Saturday worship day as a kid living in Neapolis (ancient Shechem) which was soon after the apostle John died... he never bothered to mention it. He seemed to have found Sunday to be an appropriate day to worship the Lord. |
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47 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25099 | ||
It seems like every time I hear someone discussing this verse, invariably they leave off the rest of that statement of Paul's (Col.2:16 and 17). Verse 17 explains WHY he said people shouldn't judge others concerning how and when they worship the Lord. "... which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." NKJ Paul knew that true believers no longer needed to look to the shadow... because they looked to the real thing. And according to my concordance the Greek word for "or" is "e", and here is what it says: A prim. particle of distinction between two connected terms; disjuntive, 'or'; comparative, 'than': -- and, but (either), (n) either, except it be, (n) or (else), rather, save, than, what, yea. Often used in connection with other participles. So I don't think we should be saying that word can ONLY be translated "and"... because "or" is just as accurate. It really depends on HOW you want to interpret that verse, which truly should really be left up to the Holy Spirit to give us the correct interpretation instead of being 'led' by the teachings of men. Don't you think? |
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48 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24795 | ||
Hi Lisa, You said: My best interpretation to your points would be Pre-Vatican II and Post-Vatican II. Well, those things happened almost 20 years ago... long after Vatican II. So Vatican II didn't change all the wrong teachings, huh? I have heard about a couple born-again priests though, which was great news actually. But they were struggling with Catholic doctrine on a personal level. And some priests do encourage the people in their parishes to read the Holy Bible now, which they did not do years ago. My neighbor told me that his priest told him a couple years ago not to bother reading the Bible because a layman couldn't actually understand it, and that's why the priests read it and preach it... to make it more understandable for the laity. Such a shame... my neighbor believed him. So everything is not changed by Vatican II I guess. God bless. |
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49 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24791 | ||
Just one thing I'd like to comment on Brian. You said: While the core beliefs of the Catholic church are never changing, The core belief of Catholicism has never changed one bit during the past 2000 years. When you add someone else to the equation of man plus God equals salvation... the "core belief" is very much changed. Do you think it does not matter that on the one hand the Catholic Church teaches salvation is through Christ, and then also teaches salvation can be gained through the mediation or intercession of Mary? That is not a change in the core belief to you Brian? It seems like a major change to me. Or do you think the RCC has... since the days of the apostalic writings (New Testament) taught that salvation could be gained either way? |
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50 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24788 | ||
Hi Brian, 956. "The intercession of the SAINTS. 'Being more closely united to Christ, those who dwell in heaven fix the whole Church more firmly in holiness.... They do not cease to intercede with the Father for us, as they proffer the merits which they acquired on earth through the one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus.... So by their fraternal concern is our weakness greatly helped.'[LG 49; cf. 1 Tim 2:5 .] Do not weep, for I shall be more useful to you after my death and I shall help you then more effectively than during my life.[St. Dominic, dying, to his brothers.] I want to spend my heaven in doing good on earth.[St. Therese of Lisieux, The Final Conversations, tr. John Clarke (Washington: ICS, 1977), 102.]" [From the Catholic Catechism] This is a "teaching" of the Catholic Church. It's catechism is used for teaching both child and adult about Catholicism. Q: What are the Marian dogmas of the Catholic Church? A: There are four Marian dogmas: 1) Divine Motherhood - Council of Ephesus 431 2) Mary's Virginity a) Virginal Conception through the Spirit - Baptismal symbols since 3rd century. b) Perpetual Virginity (virginal birth and no other children) - Baptismal symbols since 4th century (first in eastern church) 3) Immaculate Conception (Mary's freedom from original sin) - Puis IX, 1854 4) Mary's Assumption (body and soul) into heaven - Pius XII, 1950 [From "Marian Library/International Marian Research Institute", Dayton, Ohio -- a Catholic organization.] The dates in the above information tells you when those "dogmas" were officially accepted by the RCC. Some are not biblical truth. They were inspired by the many "apparitions of Mary" though... and incorporated into the Church doctrine. Yet, as I said, many disagree with the New Testament... the actual written "apostolic teachings". A PRAYER by Pope John Paul II: Our Lady of the Millennium, Mother of the Redeemer with great joy we call you blessed. In order to carry out His plan of salvation, God the Father chose you before the creation of the world. You believed in His love and obeyed His word. The Son of God desired you for His Mother when he became man to save the human race. You received Him with ready obedience and undivided heart. The Holy Spirit loved you as His mystical spouse and He filled you with singular gifts. You allowed yourself to be led by His hidden and powerful action. On the eve of the third Christian Millennium. we entrust to you the Church which acknowledges you and invokes you as Mother. To you, Mother of the human family and of the nations, we confidently entrust the whole of humanity, with its hopes and fears. Do not let it lack the light of true wisdom. Guide its steps in the ways of peace. Enable all to meet Christ, the Way and the Truth and the Life. Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation. O clement, O loving, O sweet Mother of God and our Mother, Mary! -- written by Pope John Paul II Daily prayers by Pope John Paul II: Through you God's holy people, his Church on earth, appeals for light and strength in its pilgrimage of faith. You have gone before us on the same journey and are now glorified in heaven. Be for us who are still on that journey of faith a true Star of the Sea, leading us to the presence of your Son where he sits at the right hand of the Father, enthroned in glory. More by same author: Take from all our hearts the selfishness that sours relationships and keeps us centered only on ourselves. Give us hearts aflame with charity and filled with love. Make us, like the apostle John who was commended to your care, loving children of our heavenly Father, conscious always of your maternal presence in our lives. You said: To these people, the Church presents Christians who have gone before us and Mary, as role models. Not as figures to be worshipped, but role models. Because of a child's relation with their own mother, sometimes it is easier for the child to relate to the mother of Jesus - which in turn, gently brings the child in Jesus' world. So either the Pope is still in need of Mary to bring him into Jesus' world, or he actually thinks Mary can change hearts, guide people, enable people to meet Christ, lead people to Christ, and he wants to entrust the Church to her... the church who acknowledges her and invokes her; and he believes she can sustain her children and OBTAIN THE GRACE OF ETERNAL SALVATION for them?? The Pope's Mary seems to be able to do everything that God can do. The real difference is that God's Word says that God is the ONLY person who can do those things. For myself, I'll believe God's Word is true before that of any man. God bless. |
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51 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24772 | ||
It may make a cute joke, but it would be a real shame if someone believed it. Peter nor Mary are standing by a door in heaven ready to let people in. They don't have the authority to do anything to save anyone alive today, and in many aspects that really is the key point in salvation, isn't it? Salvation means freedom from the bondage of sin, but it also means eternal life with God. So, who saves is a key point I think? John 10:8-14 Jesus speaking, "...I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture..." Joking aside... there is no other that can help you get into heaven. You said: I think Brian is saying the Lord would not create innocent peoples only to cast them into hell. I'd like to refer you to Romans 9:14-24 "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.' So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy... Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?' But indeed O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, 'Why have you made me like this?' Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" The Creator does not necessarily "think" like we would like to think He thinks sometimes. And who is it that you know of who does not know the Lord... that is "innocent" before Him? Scripture says we are all sinners... and our righteousness is in Christ. No Christ, no righteousness before God. You said: They are his creation. Are they to be condemned because no one has been able to reach them with God's word? Isn't that God's choice? And if He says salvation is only through His Son... should we try to tell Him He's doing it wrong if He doesn't save those who do not know His Son? Should we question God's method of salvation, or His judgement? God bless. |
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52 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24767 | ||
Most of the information I've found were either in "Christian" books or ordinary history books. Also certain historical articles/accounts on the net in the last few years. I wish I could give you titles or even links, but I honestly can't because I don't actually remember any one in particular. When I read them, I didn't know I'd ever be asked. :) First off, when I say RCC -- I mean Roman Catholic Church. And I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by the "7 branches". Do you mean 7 branches of the "Catholic Church"?? Or are you talking about the early churches that were founded by the apostles, including Paul... which truly has very little to do with any of the denominations today in my opinion. So if you are not Roman Catholic, what type of label for your Catholicism do you use? I'm asking. :):) And could you explain the difference between your Catholic doctrine and the Roman Catholic doctrine? And is your Catholic church under the umbrella of Rome -- the Pope more specifically? And I think there is a bit of harm in teaching any lie, no matter how small or inconsequential a person may see it. And purgatory is one of those things. That teaching has given many the idea that if they can't cut it here, they will have another chance to be saved after suffering in purgatory for an indeterminate amount of time. That is a false teaching according to the Bible. God bless. |
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53 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24765 | ||
Throughout the Middle Ages it was generally believed that the Apostles, on the day of Pentecost, while still under the direct inspiration of the Holy Ghost, composed our present Creed between them, each of the Apostles contributing one of the twelve articles. This legend dates back to the sixth century (see Pseudo-Augustine in Migne, P.L., XXXIX, 2189, and Pirminius, ibid., LXXXIX, 1034), and it is foreshadowed still earlier in a sermon attributed to St. Ambrose (Migne, P.L., XVII, 671; Kattenbusch, I, 81), which takes notice that the Creed was "pieced together by twelve separate workmen". [Excerpt from the Catholic Enclyclopedia] And the belief concerning the Apostles Creed is based on tradition rather than fact. If the apostles did write that creed on the day of Pentecost, isn't it surprising that it is not mentioned in Acts 2, nor anywhere else in scripture? |
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54 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24734 | ||
I would agree Brian, except that Allah is not the same God as Jesus' Father. So who are they actually seeking? I've heard so many people say that Muslims claim their God is the God of Abraham. Yet Abraham foresaw God's plan of salvation (Heb. 11:13-16). If Allah was the God of Abraham, then why isn't He still saving them the same way that He saved Abraham, and still teaching the same thing taught to/through Abraham and his chosen line? Doesn't a person have to seek YHWH rather than "any" god? There are many false ones available it seems. |
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55 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24730 | ||
Hitler did remain a Catholic though even though he was "into" the occult. Spiritism is easy to reconcile for some. Doesn't it seem strange in retrospect that he was never excommunicated from the church? I'd never thought of that aspect before. And there were Catholics and Protestants in the concentration camps too. But I've found in my study that the Church (along with MANY nations) didn't stand against Hitler's actions until it personally effected them. And since it didn't personally effect Rome... apparently there was no reason for them to take a stand, huh? And as I said, I have read that Rome wanted to gain possession of the Spear of Longinus too. Rome enjoys power. That's a historical fact Lisa, as I'm sure you've found in your study of church history. God bless. |
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56 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24727 | ||
Hi Lisa, I too enjoy studying church history, and I agree with your evaluation of many/most popes. As to purgatory, Islam also teaches of a purgatory. From what I've read Mohammad got that through Catholic teachings of his day. From what I understand, Mohammad's mother was a devout Catholic. As to the sacrament of Reconciliation. The Catholic Church usually uses... Matthew 16:19 "And I will give you keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." and also... Matthew 18:18 "Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." ... to say that priests are to either "bind" or "loose" because the RCC claims that their priesthood is descended from the apostle Peter. There is a problem with that. Peter was not a priest. In fact he refers to himself as a "fellow elder" (1Peter 5:1) and states in the following verses in chapter 5, that an elder (someone who has become wise in the faith through years of experience) is to "shepherd" the flock only as overseers and examples, and not as "lords over" the flock. But more to the point, reconciliation means "to make friendly again; to make consistent or compatible". If I confess my sins to you after having offended God or others... how will that reconcile me to the Father or the person I offended? It won't. Matthew 18:15-20 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear you, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Again! I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in My Name, I am there in the midst of them." Matthew 18:21-22 "Then Peter came to Him and said, 'Lord, how many times shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?'" Jesus said to him, 'I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven." (Rreference Luke 17:1-4). The direction for "binding" and "loosing" (forgiving and not forgiving) is not only for the elders, but it is a command from Jesus on how all of us are to deal with someone who offends us... and in reverse if we are the offender. So according to God's Word, we are to confess (actually "repent of") our sins to God, and to the person we have offended. Catholics may not perceive baptism, and communion, (or reconciliation), as rungs on the ladder to heaven, but the church teaches that they are necessary to salvation. In fact I remember "my" priest from years back saying that anyone who was NOT baptized would NOT go to heaven, and that's why it was so important to get babies baptized right away. And information from my family and friends... it's still being taught in the RCC. The Bible says in 1Peter 3:21 "there is an antitype which now saves us, namely baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but THE ANSWER OF A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ..." (caps are mine) Most babies do not have a good conscience toward God -- just for the record. It seems that the only people the apostles and other elders baptized were those who had heard the Word and believed. The priest also taught that anyone who DID receive communion on a weekly basis (after infant baptism) would go to heaven no matter what else they did or did not do! Nothing matterd except the "act of taking communion". He and I went round and round on that... I used the Bible as my reference and he used church doctrine as his authority. It seems to me that the Bible teaches we are to have communion using the broken bread (as a sign of Christ's broken body), and wine (as a sign of His shed blood -- the blood of the new covenant) in remembrance of Christ's ultimate sacrifice for our sin. See 1Cor. 11:23-26. And we are also warned not to partake of that communion in an unworthy manner (1Cor. 11:27-34). If you weren't taught all these strange things, that's really a wonderful blessing for you! |
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57 | Where's the StudyBibleForum? | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 24701 | ||
I remember reading that in someone's post a while ago, Nolan. All I was really trying to say in my own "flip" way was that most of life including various viewpoints on any given subject, all are in some way pertinent to the Scriptures. And if certain things can't or shouldn't be discussed here... maybe those "subjects" should be listed so there won't be any more "wars". |
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58 | Where's the StudyBibleForum? | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 24697 | ||
Hi Hank, I understand that... I guess I haven't seen the notes posted on politics, pacifism, zoology, or Shakespeare's plays. :) But it seems from your last response, there have been other "wars" on here before if you "saw red" and were "ready to chew nails, etc"? It was the way you said it that had me wondering if there were certain things that were "taboo" and not to be discussed on here even if/when they pertain to Biblical teachings. If my comment offended you, I'm sorry... it sounds like it did. Please forgive me. |
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59 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24676 | ||
Hi Lisa, I'd heard Charlemagne held the Spear of Longinus and it was supposed to have given him clairvoyant faculties and uncanny powers. Charlemagne lived and slept within reach of the Spear. The occult powers of the Spear were known world wide. Hitler also possessed the Spear after stealing it from the Treasure House in Vienna (Oct. 13, 1938). He'd been entranced by that Spear for many years because of the "power" he understood it to give its owner. He first hid it in the Hall of St. Katherine's Catholic Church in Nuremburg. Did you know that the then Pope never spoke out against any of the Nazi atrocities that were committed in Germany and Austria, etc. I've read articles that insist that the RCC wanted possession of that Spear, and thought they might be able to get it from Hitler since he was a devout Catholic. It seems the demonics behind that Spear is quite powerful when it's placed in the appropriate hands. |
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60 | Are they the same spirit? | Gen 1:1 | There | 23887 | ||
Hi Johnny, I too have much respect for Mary, the mother of God's real Son. I think she was correct when she said that "all generations shall call me blessed". She is "blessed among women." But in my opinion, she is not the same person as the apparition. She (the Mary in the apparitions) is considered to still be a virgin because she identified herself as such. Almost every ounce of Catholic doctrine about "Mary" has come from the apparition herself. If her words disagreed with the Bible, then they go with her words and discard the Biblical truth. I was very upset years ago after finding out the many "differences" between what I was taught and what the Bible says. I had trouble believing that a Church that originally based it's beliefs on the truth of God's Word had moved so far as to include in its doctrine -- teaching that totally contradicted His Word. I have family members still in that denomination, and most are a loving group of people. Most have been encouraged to read the Bible for themselves, so they can sort out the truth from the lie. And yes, it is very hard to change. Not just because many things have become "habits" or "traditional", but also because it is very hard to digest the fact that people we thought cared about us... had taught us non-truths. It's very hard to accept. For me, I had to come to the realization that they too had been duped... |
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