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41 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | Greg Martin | 37331 | ||
charis, You ask "you seem to be saying that if a person claims salvation, but sins (doesn't have his heart right), then he was never saved to begin with. Is that right? No. The condition of the heart and attitude at that point of salvation is what matters. Our heart is not right several times and we sin several times. There is not a single person fathered by men who has not. So obviously this can not be a condition to prove that you've been saved or no one would have ever been saved. What I am saying is at that point when you ask Christ to come into your heart and rule your life, your heart has to mean it. I can say to my boss, I would love to take that project, and even complete it and excell at it, but not really like it. And when I said I would love to take it, not have meant that, but said it to get on his good side, or because I knew it was right. I can tithe faithfully but grumble as I write that check, 'Boy that sure is a chunk of money. That could pay some bills this month..." That would be Cain's attitude. God does not want this money. He can manufacture his own. He wants your heart. So instead one has to believe "Thank you, Lord, for *allowing* me to give this to You" But if we don't it has no bearing on our salvation, it means that that particular event was not right. Therefore, if this is the case at the moment one prays for salvation, that event is not right. He never takes back His grace. You can not lose salvation. |
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42 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | Greg Martin | 37326 | ||
charis, You said that I am saying "We are absolutely saved, BUT if we act like we are unsaved then we were never really saved!" and that this "is a cop-out" I am not saying that at all. A person can be saved and commit sin. As Paul says, when we sin grace abounds. His point is that our sin after salvation proves the great grace that it is. And then of course he adds that we should strive not to sin. If sinners were never saved, no one was ever saved! I am not saying that if someone continues in sin they never were saved. What I am saying is that some that said all the right words and went forward "just in case" or because "I've got nothing to lose (none of my friends are here..)" did not get saved. Their heart was not right and only in total humility and repentance can one be saved. Only God can make this judgement. None of us can ever know this about another person; Only them and God. To say that God can alter His judgement is to say He was wrong at first. This can not possibly be the case. All I can say about someone continuing in sin after being saved is that yes it can happen, but it generally would only happen with tears and repentance after each time. This does not mean they wouldn't continue, but I guarantee God will correct His children, and they will be in torment over it. (This of course ignores mental illness or brain damage, etc). So Once saved, it is permanent and no one can alter it. God did it and He is not ever wrong. Once saved, the Spirit convicts you and continues to witness Christ to you. So sin occurs with considerable anguish and torment. The result is a broken heart in repentance asking forgiveness and a clean heart, to remove the cursed sin. Only God knows whether a person is saved or not. If sin continues without such torment, it is likely that the saving never ocurred because the heart was never broken. The Spirit living in the believer will not allow sin without anguish. And finally, many good people with less sin than some saved, are also not saved because they have not utterly smashed their heart to give to Christ, after all, "they are a good person". |
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43 | Was Israel saved, or not? | John 6:49 | Greg Martin | 36731 | ||
Zach, I did not get your point at first but now I see the connection. Not everyone who follows Christ will be saved. Only those who believe with their heart and give it to Him. Thus they may have followed Christ, but most did not obey, and some chose against Him. (Ex 32) Cain gave his offering but it was not acceptable. why? Because it was not with his heart. Many will come saying Lord, Lord but not all will enter heaven (Matt 7:21-24 Luke 13:25) The difference is the heart. |
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44 | Elijah went to heaven alive | 2 Kin 2:11 | Greg Martin | 36726 | ||
Oh, yes. I see your point. And this is a very good one. Except for one thing. Heaven was not open for them yet. Christ opened heaven. Until then the saints went to "Abraham's Bossom" see Luke 16:19-31 The Rich Man and Lazarus. But, Elijah and Enoch may very well have traded their corruptable body on the way up. We are not told the details. We are only told that they did not die, but were taken up. Alternatively, they may have traded after heaven was opened. Or they may be in a separate place such as that which was called "Abraham's Bosom" But in any case you are absolutely correct in saying that heaven will not accept any corruption or imperfection. It is the Dwelling Place of God, and no impurity can ever be found there. I highly commend you on your excellent analysis. |
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45 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | Greg Martin | 36723 | ||
I can be baptized (which only means submersed) and not have my heart right. Baptism does not precede salvation. It is a result of salvation. If all were saved why would any of them not choose the Lord? Ex 32 especially v 26 and 33. Men can go forward at the alter call, but if it's a "well, just in case..." or "ahh, what the heck..." or "sounds like a good idea..." they are as Cain in their heart and it will not be accepted. Only God knows who was never saved and who was saved but now chooses very unwisely. |
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46 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | Greg Martin | 36719 | ||
Yes, I know you've argued that you can't lose your salvation, but let me say a couple of things. First, that admonishment is not a condemnation. I think if you heard me think the way it was written you would have heard the tongue in my cheek as I wrote it! But I wrote it to make you think. Second, even though you argued the opposite of Zach (how do you type that cross symbol?), there were words of ambivalence in your posts: "Zach†, I am not a 5,4,3 or 2-point anything, so I have no absolute position to defend. :-) I can see your point about the possibility of losing salvation. " I can't. Not at all. But I apologize, if this was harsh. As I review the posts I see that it was really that one quote that influence me to address my comments to both of you. I was afraid you might be faltering in your direction and wished to prop you up. I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've gotten into trouble on a forum by not explaining myself adequately. I had thought about not addressing the post to you, but I left you on it just in case. So I apologize again, but I hope you took the opportunity of my error to do a self-check. We all need that from time to time. |
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47 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | Greg Martin | 36564 | ||
Zach, Charis, Regarding your thinking about losing your salvation, This can not be done. Neither of you have the power to overcome God. (John 10:28,29) Now take the lesson of Abraham. Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." So God gave him the promise of land and a large family, and the Savior to come from his seed. But at the first sign of trouble, what did he do? 10 Now there was a famine in the land, and Abram went down to Egypt to dwell there, for the famine was severe in the land. 11And it came to pass, when he was close to entering Egypt, that he said to Sarai his wife, "Indeed I know that you are a woman of beautiful countenance. 12 Therefore it will happen, when the Egyptians see you, that they will say, "This is his wife'; and they will kill me, but they will let you live. 13 Please say you are my sister, that it may be well with me for your sake, and that I may live because of you." He left the land God gave him for a foreign land. He feared for his life even after God told him he would be the father of a large nation. He disobeyed. He lost faith. He bore false witness. Yet God saved him in spite of this because God will work his plan no matter how hard you try to foul it up! You do not have the power to thwart what God has put forward! Shame on both of you for your arrogance! You do not mean to be, I know. But how is it then that you doubt the power of God? Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the **power of God to salvation** for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. |
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48 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | Greg Martin | 36557 | ||
You can be backslidden once saved, but you can not ever be lost, or "unsaved" John 10:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. Not even your own self! No one and no thing has the power to take them from God's hand. It is the power of God Almighty behind your salvation! |
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49 | God of the living | Rev 6:10 | Greg Martin | 36398 | ||
That's quite all right, Emmaus. As you may have guessed, I have not found my way back to this post until now. I find this Forum fairly difficult to manuver around in. But thanks for your response. |
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50 | When will the Temple be rebuilt | Revelation | Greg Martin | 36391 | ||
Interesting note: Did you know the Israeli Supreme court gave the go ahead for a group to lay the cornerstone to the third temple? Answering your question: If you see it being built you know the rapture is near. this kind of makes me think it will not be until the Christians are gone that the Temple will be built. But then again it could be built and last for 100 years. What if the whole world has a white hot revival and the nations repent? Then surely the signs of the times will subside and it would take a few generations to return. |
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51 | Can a person's spirit visit the earth? | Bible general Archive 1 | Greg Martin | 36189 | ||
1 Samuel 28:3-22 Samuel came back and visited Saul. Spiritists and mediums are real. (They can be that is - most are thieves.) Be very careful to avoid these people. Avoid the hororscopes, tarrot card and palm readers, etc. These are real and are of the realm of Satan. |
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52 | The bible is a work of fiction - discuss | Gen 1:1 | Greg Martin | 35904 | ||
Doesn't make you a bad person. It just makes you like the rest of us. On your way to Hell unless there's some way you can pay your debt to God. But how do you pay an infinite debt? How do you clean yourself with your filthy rags? It's like the man who breaks his neighbor's property and spends all day fixing it. He works hard, very hard. But at the end of the day he can't fix it. So because he worked hard trying to fix the thing he broke, he knocks on his neighbor's door and demands to be let in and fed supper because he worked hard. You say it angers you that belief should stop people from being together. Get over it. When God gets to your heart there is nothing more important. You say "I have a genuine interest in knowing why people beleive. Admittidly this is for slightly selfish reasons" Then you never will. You have to lose your pride first. Do you understand that Timothy McVeigh may get to heaven and you will not? If he bent his knee in utter broken humility before God, he will. Your pride prevents you. You ask why we believe. I don't believe. I know. Your girlfriend doesn't believe either. She knows. You can too. Quit washing yourself with oily rags and muddy hands. |
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53 | Earth was without form, and void. | Gen 1:1 | Greg Martin | 35903 | ||
You wouldn't believe what I wrote and lost. Maybe God doesn't want you to know. You would have been shaken or confused or both. The Bible says what it means and means what it says. God created and it was formless and void. THEN God said and it was. God said and it was. God said and it was. God said and it was. God said and it was. Then He fashioned man with His hands. |
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54 | What does Bible teach on election? | Bible general Archive 1 | Greg Martin | 35209 | ||
Quite right. This is a topic too broad to be suited for a forum. It is an entire doctrine that can only be covered with extensive study. I'm sure GeneralWas would agree with that, having taught it for a year. In order to answer this question, you'll have to accept ambiguities and mysteries as an answer until hard study is accomplished to understand the broad statements. You have to understand that the whole of God is incomprehensible, so we are left with some apparent "contradictions", that are a result of our limited comprehension. See, I always looked at the generally accepted answer to the question "Can God make a rock so big He can't lift it?" as unsatisfactory. The generally accepted answer is that the question is wrong. I disagree. God is way bigger than that. I believe the answer is "Yes He can make a rock so big He can't lift it; and then He will lift it anyway." Now this question and answer may seem flippant, but it really is not. It illustrates perfectly our limits in understanding the infiniteness of God. The answer to both parts, can He make and can He lift, has to be yes simultaneously. He can make a rock so big He can't lift it. But He will lift it anyway. Well then He didn't make a rock so big He can't lift it. Yes He did, but He will lift it anyway. How can light be both a particle and a wave simultaneously? If you are wondering what in the world this has to do with your question, it is this. God gave us Free will, but He is beyond the limitation of time and knows everything. So free will, election, and predestination are all simultaneously compatible. In other words it is all by His permission and authority, but He knows your heart before you are born - from before the beginning of time. I don't know if this helped or confused... |
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55 | Can't find verse "good called evil", etc | Is 5:20 | Greg Martin | 34243 | ||
You may be thinking of Rom 1:18-32 especially 32 "who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." |
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56 | why was pharoh's heart hardened? | Exodus | Greg Martin | 34052 | ||
But note that the Pharoh's heart was already hard in that he had treated Israel with cruelty. Also note that God had told Abraham that his children would be slaves in a strange land, but that He would judge them. Genesis 15:13Then He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. We know from Romans 1 that 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. and 24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, and 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; And so it is apparent that there is a point of no return with God, a point at which He will give a person over to vileness, and completely harden their already hard heart. the reason given in Romans is having a knowledge of God but not thinking it worthy of retaining. So the Justice of God is that if a person forsakes Him, He will harden that person's heart, that they may not be saved. This is a tough lesson, but one who will not bend his knee will be condemned to not having it be able to bend. Some could ask if this is fair, but He is God. He can not be continually offended without retribution. In addition, God in His purpose needed the world to see His mighty, Awesome power. If Pharoh had been a push-over, would the World have heard of His mighty works? Look how Israel behaved after seeing the awesome hand of God, the plagues, the pillar of smoke and fire, the separation of the Sea, the closing of the sea on Pharoh's army, etc. How would they have behaved if Pharoh had relented? |
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57 | Why no sacrifices for Jews today? | Exodus | Greg Martin | 34045 | ||
I want to add to my answer. The reason Jews will not have satisfactory answers to these questions yet are so hard to convince, I think, and I sincerely pray not to be offensive, but I desire to give a truthful reason, is given by Paul Romans 11:25For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. |
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