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221 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 208003 | ||
John :-) No I wasn't talking about that at all. Not now. I just thought maybe you got confused, being up so late last night!! (Your email must have been around 3:30 am your time!!) And I thought I was the night owl. hahaha Just wanted to remind you. Cheri |
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222 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207992 | ||
Shalom, good morning John No, David was not a priest, those were the Levites, and the higher up priests (for lack of a better term), I believe, were of Aaron's lineage. Messiah was of the seed of David, of the tribe of Judah 1 Chron. 2:3-15. Be blessed Cheri |
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223 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207980 | ||
Shalom and good morning Tim, OK, you DO have me on that one :-). Of course, if saying nothing were an option, that would definitely be the one to use, agreed. Have a great day yourself Me? I'll be having a discussion with the sandman after working all night shortly. Cheri |
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224 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207978 | ||
Shalom Bowler, Email me with your thoughts on David, it's in my profile :-) (This is the only way I had to reach you.) Cheri |
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225 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207974 | ||
Hi Hank, I'm not wishing for a debate either. Nor am I wanting to appear short and curt, but (there's that word again) I didn't want to be rude by not responding or have you think I was ignoring you. You're too nice to ignore or be rude to. :-) Thank you for your post. Shalom and have a great night Cheri |
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226 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207969 | ||
Tim and Azure, shalom, One last time, let me see if I can get this straightened out Tim, you said: "We should have enough faith in God to trust Him to save, or, if it is His will, to die for Him. Can we imagine the apostle Paul lying to avoid being beheaded? What if Christ had lied to avoid the cross? I remember the story of Bishop Polycarp inviting those who came to arrest him to sit down for dinner with him. All of our lives are His to use as He sees fit." I say Amen! I thoroughly agree with each and every one of you in that area. And I would hope if it came down to it, that I would not lie to save myself, I hope I could just say 'Lord, I'm coming home, maybe a little sooner than I planned but hallelujah I'm on my way!' I was talking about being complicit in the harming or death of someone else who is not guilty of anything deserving bodily harm or death. Such as not telling the whereabouts of someone to a group of vigilantes. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that person is taken and harmed because of what I said then I see that as myself being a part of harming or murdering that person. (And just to make sure -- I'm not talking about telling the truth or not telling the truth in a legal court system.) Cheri |
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227 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207958 | ||
Shalom Tim, I'm bowing out of this discussion with this: if history ever repeats itself (and it does) where being a christian is against the law and punishable by death (and it could happen in our country) you have just told me that many here would turn in a brother/sister rather than lie. That's sad, and it sure isn't edifying to know that a member of God's family would turn another over to wicked evil. There is also nowhere in the bible that says it's OK to be complicit in the death of an innocent person. Cheri |
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228 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207938 | ||
Steve, I read Bowler's post with the view that he was stating the Pharisees saw the act as breaking the Sabbath law - for the Sabbath law requires no work to be done (Ex. 20:8-11), hauling an animal out of a pit certainly is work. But the exertion required to save the animal out of a pit is the letter, not the spirit of that law. That's how I read Bowler's "teachings," Actually, I don't see that he is "teaching" anything, he's stating his understanding of lesser and greater wrongs. I stated my position once, and that is enough. Cheri |
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229 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207927 | ||
Shalom Steve, I will give you the last word on this. Bowler already did a marvelous job in his answer to Azure in post number 207920, I see no need to parrot him. I'll just simply say - "What he said!!" Have a great day Cheri |
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230 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207911 | ||
Again, Steve You are absolutely right in that I was guilty of presuming to speak for God as if my theory is His when I made that statement - and I was completely wrong to do that!!! I misworded it horribly and didn't recognize that I had when I proof-read. Very sorry and thank you for the correction. Cheri |
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231 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207910 | ||
Steve, You misunderstood me!! I never said that there is a time that lying is OK or condoned by the Father. Neither is being a part of what would amount to murder. Reference scripture to back up that human life is precious to God is Lev. 22:21-23:9; Deut. 27:19, 24, 25. I'm sorry there's another passage that is on my mind but I can't find it - about a man causing the death of another man, and the dead man's blood would be on his hands and required of him (not the life for life, eye for eye passage though) First of all lying is always wrong and will be dealt with as such. BUT if telling the truth would bring about the death of an innocent person - then unfortunatly the human person (you or myself) is put into a situation where whichever route we take is wrong and a sin. It's wrong to knowingly play a part in the death of another human being who is not deserving of the death sentence according to God's Torah and it is wrong to lie. This is what God called giving a false witness. (Now I AM talking about situations such as Nazi Germany against the Jews and other "undesireables", or lying in a capital trial to put someone you know is innocent to death, or someone bursting into your life wanting to find someone to perform an act of revenge that you know nothing about, etc. - not just lying because it's more convenient.) Which of the two sins could I personally live with, could you live with? I hope we never have to make such a choice!! Shalom Cheri |
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232 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207905 | ||
Shalom Bowler, Amen! Lying is always wrong, BUT in God's eyes a human life is the priority if and when that choice arises against an innocent person. (The opposite is true when human life hangs in the balance where a crime is concerned, i.e. an American capital crime, to lie to save that life would be wrong - God instituted capital punishment.) Cheri |
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233 | Where and when did Gentiles originate? | Bible general Archive 4 | skccab | 207825 | ||
Morning Val, My memory is very bad. About the inductive study? Yes I got it and the info was to the point. I can't remember asking anything else? :-) Cheri |
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234 | Where and when did Gentiles originate? | Bible general Archive 4 | skccab | 207808 | ||
Shalom homer4v, You've got it a little mixed up and little right. It was actually the Southern Kingdom aka Judah (Judah, Simeon within, Benjamin and the Levites within those 3 areas) that became known as Jews and the Northern Kingdom aka Ephraim (which comprised the other tribes and Levites within those areas) that became known also as Israelites but not Jews, and it remains such today. And according to the scripture that Steve shared with you, there were faithful from all tribes that joined up with Southern Kingdom/Judah (whether they retained their original tribal heritage I don't know, but personally, I would think that they didn't if they left the areaa that had been their inheritance. That's just an assumption, but one that makes sense.) Cheri |
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235 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | skccab | 207672 | ||
Shalom Val, I've been following the various threads going recently and have been introduced to the "inductive" style of Bible study that you are doing. I'm not sure whether I'm at a point to attempt it or not just yet, but I do have one question: Do you use just your NASB, or do you check the other major "versions" to make sure the same words are translated the same way? (As has been brought up in this particular thread, regarding Heb. 5, the KJV uses the words "decern both" and other versions say "descern between" which can be understood entirely differently.) In this format, this may sound like a criticism, but it isn't, I'm just curious. Cheri |
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236 | least in kingdom greater than John | Matt 11:11 | skccab | 207386 | ||
Bowler, Thank you for reminding me of that in Luke, I'd overlooked it. Cheri |
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237 | least in kingdom greater than John | Matt 11:11 | skccab | 207382 | ||
Dear FlintyJoe, You said, "Read John 3:5 and notice who only can enter into the kingdom of God. Even assuming John was baptized in water, he was not baptized in holy spirit as Acts 1:5 clearly indicates. Holy spirit as Jesus stated would arrive at Pentecost." You're not saying that John wasn't saved I hope. Otherwise, where would that leave all the 'righteous' saints of old? Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Isaiah, Daniel, etc., etc.? Are you implying that these and so many others were in no way affected by the Spirit of God that they could not be saved? that no one, prior to those who died believing after Pentecost, is saved and in God's Kingdom? Scripture doesn't name specifically WHO was in Abraham's Bosom (Luke 16:19-26), but we do know that the righteous dead were kept there apart from the wicked dead. I'm sure John was among those who were there awaiting Messiah's arrival (he was just fortunate enough to have met Him!!!!). And baptism in water has nothing to do with the initial act of salvation, it's an outward act of obedience as a symbolic sign of a new birth, a new beginning, a new creature. The new birth/beginning/creature has already taken place. If baptism was critical to salvation I'm sure Paul would have busied himself baptising new believers (1 Cor. 1:17). If not, then alot of folks are going to have to rethink their doctrines and theology where the thief on the cross is concerned (Luke 23:39-43) also, don't you think? If I have misunderstood you, please forgive and pray my ignorance turn to enlightment :-) Just my 2 cents worth Cheri |
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238 | Do not look on another's nakedness. | Hab 2:15 | skccab | 207212 | ||
Dear John, Oooops I did, didn't I!!!? Guess she'll see it eventually. Shalom Cheri |
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239 | Do not look on another's nakedness. | Hab 2:15 | skccab | 207196 | ||
Shalom Elouise, Just off the top of my head, could you be thinking of Lev. 18? Cheri |
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240 | Which Enemies Could Israel Marry? | Deut 21:10 | skccab | 207101 | ||
John, Aaaah, that's OK. Just shows that my Super Bro is a Super humanBro, and we all make mistakes (of which I seem to take the helm - arrrgh). :-) Shalom Cheri |
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