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21 | Church membership...a requirement? | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209361 | ||
"Does anyone know where he is getting that from?" Not Scripture! I would follow Brother Tim's direction here. If your pastor stands on the previous statement and your husband understood correctly maybe you can ask for scripture to support his statement. Welcome! Jeff |
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22 | God Punished New Orleans with Katrina | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209386 | ||
Absolutely Brad. Not to rehash it but I agree that the attributing things like Katrina to God's judgment is all wrong for all the reasons stated so far. Thanks for responding, I understand now. Jeff |
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23 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209441 | ||
Well I believe you need to reread the thread, my posts included, and keep it all in context. You may "think it is within our ability to judge someones eternal state" but thinking is of little value when it is in conflict with Scripture... so please consider that. You wrote: "If you see someone living a Homosexual life style, they ARE NOT SAVED" Clearly you have missed the point. In no place have I argued that this person is saved or not saved. My point, consistently, is in addressing the ETERNAL condition. Can you see someone commiting murder and judge their eternal state as lost? King David and Paul are both in that category (murderers). Both guilty of murderer, but not lost... saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. How about thieves and drunkards, liars, adulterers, etc. Do those send you to hell? Have you ever committed one of these. Do you get the point now? Scripture tells us that if we're guilty of one we're guilty of all. You would do well in this case to read (and consider) James 2:1-13 paying particular attention to verse 10 in the process. There was once a wise man (I think it was my grandfather) who said, "you do well to at least strap on a good pair of waders before jumping in with both feet". Hope this helps, Jeff |
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24 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209476 | ||
Doc- you wrote: "To suggest to someone who is willfully practicing drunkenness, deceit, adultery, thievery, etc. that they MIGHT be saved, is giving false assurance and doing it in complete repudiation of Scripture." I sincerely disagree with you brother. I'm having a most difficult time believing that you are taking this position. It’s easier to believe though (and might be the case) that we are continuing to misunderstand each other. If that be the case, let me point to what I see (assuming I’m reading you right) as a misrepresentation of what I have said. Are you saying here that I have suggested or stated that I believe that a person who is “willfully practicing”, living in a continuous and willful lifestyle of sin, IS saved, or MIGHT be saved in the present. If I am reading you wrong please redirect me. If I have you right then I’m convinced at that point that you have misunderstood me. It is why I wrote to another poster to reread my post(S). I am confident that my posts clearly represent that I have continually referred to a person’s eternal condition (the final state – and not the current state)…. the end result, never ever was the current state ever my argument. Doc, thanks for pointing to 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. I rest my case in verse 11. “AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU. BUT you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (ESV, emphasis added). When believers go into the world and witness to the lost why do we do that? Because our Lord commanded it (Mark 16:15)... and He assured that there would be a direct result in that some will believe and will be saved (Mark 16:17). When we, in sin, judge that an individual or certain demographic is beyond hope we have certainly lost our ability to witness to them. Tragic! So teaching that someone who willfully practices these (or any) sin is beyond salvation is really the falsehood here. Never believe for a minute my friend that offering the hope of a willing and able Savior is “giving false assurance” and it is never “in complete repudiation of Scripture” but rather, is our obedience to our Lord’s command and in hope of His promise. We were all willfully in our sin before the Lord called us. (Romans 5:8). You wrote: “If Scripture doesn't give them assurance, all the while we tell them there is hope for those who cling to their sin, then we do sin grievously (Ezekiel 13:16; Jeremiah 28:9-17).” You surprise me Doc… that you would even insinuate that I’m advocating that. “Clinging to sin” is your input… I never even suggested it. But to address that I’ll only say that Paul surely was clinging very tightly to his up to the time he met the Lord face to face…. was he not? Jeff |
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25 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209514 | ||
Doc- at this point I am hopelessy at a loss in even comprehending where we are missing each other here, seriously. I mean no insult and I mean no disrespect. It is difficult, if not impossible, for me to understand how it is that you are either so incapable of understanding me or I am so incapable of making myself understood. You keep giving responses that insinuate I have taken positions that I haven't even hinted at. After multiple rereads of my own posts, I can't even imagine where I might have suggested that a man can serve two masters, for example. "Stealth Christians"? Never heard of such a critter so we're in agreement for sure on that one brother. You yourself "note the past tense" of "and such were some of you" which is what I pointed out to you so I'm not following. The past tense vs the future is exactly what I have been arguing all along. A homosexual today.... may.... be.... the saved man of tomorrow. So,... judging him... eternally lost....can not be supported by Scripture. Scripture says that "inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment," Hebrews 9:27 (NASB) If we declare they are eternally lost then we are rewriting Scripture. Judgment comes after death. 1 Corinthians 4:1-5 (NASB) 1 Let a man regard us in this manner, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy. 3 But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself. 4 For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord. 5 THEREFORE DO NOT GO ON PASSING JUDGMENT BEFORE THE TIME, BUT WAIT UNTIL THE LORD COMES who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God. (emphasis added) I've asked you if your believing I am saying that a person immersed and willfully living in sin is A SAVED PERSON (emphasis not intended as yelling). You didn't address that so I'm not sure if your reading my entire posts. You asked me: "How do you think those folks who ONCE WERE practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry differed in behavior from the lost guys that ARE NOW practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry? :-)" I don't think they were different; do you think they were different? My point, from the very beginning, was that just as "those folks" ONCE WERE; the homosexual or murderer, or theif, or drunkered you meet today may be changed so that it could be said of him (after being called out of his sin by God) that he ONCE WAS, but no longer is. Doc, as long as I've been engaging in bible study, to include my time here on the forum, I can't remember a time where I was so incapable of getting my point across. I do not doubt that this is the case here as evidenced by your apparent belief that I am saying things that I am not saying. For that I offer a sincere apology and beg your patience in spite of my obvious frustration at times. God bless, Jeff |
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26 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209532 | ||
Sister- you understand me exactly. Thank you for your fresh input and keen ability to word things appropriately so their understandable. I wish I had that but understand that I do not so it's a struggle. Since you communicate so well in English, sister, I can only imagine how skilled a communicator you are in your original language. Thanks, Jeff |
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27 | dispensaionalism bad doctrine | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209543 | ||
Thanks for the response... sorry for the delay in responding. I'm really busy with work and family this week (like most weeks actually). Please note that in my response I did make sure to point out that I was not accusing you of anyting but wanted to "nip it in the bud" if it had been the case. I would also add that we should always be on guard against false doctrines and teachings while at the same time recognizing that we have to be careful when we call doctrines false, especially when they are held as legitimate doctrine by so many accomplished Christians and scholars. What I mean here is that you have some of it right, I have some things right, the guy down the street has some things right, but neither of us has it all right. That is why we continue in our effort to study and know God daily. When we set off on a "mission" that often means we have our minds made up and then we might become unteachable even to the point of refusing to allow God himself to redirect and correct our doctrine through His word. In other words, our campaign might be one of searching out bits and pieces of Scripture in order to make our case while we ignore things that do not support our position. We see that on this forum daily. Greater men than you and me (and by that I mean men who have commited more time and effort in searching the Scriptures) have studied long and with great sincerity in order to arrive at their dispensational position. If we, in our early, brief time in the word set out to destroy their doctrine we will, almost definately, be made the fool. The rule: Never set out to prove your doctrine by the Word of God. Start with the Word of God to establish your doctrine. Hope this is helpful, Jeff |
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28 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209614 | ||
Well Doc, thanks for your concern brother, however, pretending not to understand what I have said in order to get me to say it the way you think it should be said isn't helpful; at least it isn't helpful to me. My worry certainly was about being judgmental. And it was about being too jugemental. In other words... too judgmental that we would in fact be sinful (which I have plainly laid out) and too judgmental that we would not think it necessary to witness to any individual and/or group. I can't think of a more doctrinally precise way of saying anything than to let the Scriptures say if for me as I have done well here. Thanks, Jeff |
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29 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209615 | ||
Doc- yes, I asked "do you think they were different?" Thanks for sharing the anecdote, but, would you answer the question please? So it's easier to follow here is what you asked.. "How do you think those folks who ONCE WERE practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry differed in behavior from the lost guys that ARE NOW practicing drunkenness, adultery, deception, thievery, sorcery, and idolatry? :-)" My answer was of course no. When someone who ONCE practiced a particular sin practiced it, his behavior did not differ from the one who NOW practices it. They were both practicing the same sin. Had you asked if the behavior differs NOW, for the one who ONCE practiced it (referring to the saved) then the answer would be yes. Their behavior is different. The unsaved is continuing in sin while the saved is no longer continuing in the sin. If I sound thouroughly confused at this point perhapse I am. I'm not sure why you asked the question and not sure why you didn't answer my question in response. I appreciate the link and will follow up with it later... for now I have a long list of honey-doe's that starts with the garage and ends somewhere in the back yard. Jeff |
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30 | Obey Father and Mother | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209616 | ||
God bless and never forget that He is sovereign and able to do in the heart of you child what you never can. He loves the child more than you do if that makes sense. Knowing that allows us to model for our children the best we can, love them, discipline them, protect them, hold them accountable, etc. etc. We can trust God with them. Just as our obedience to God is a process in which we are allowed to make mistakes and He disciplines us (Hebrews 12:6) so will our children grow in response to our disciplining them. Jeff |
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31 | how can we minister to homosexuals | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 209860 | ||
Thanks Doc for the response.... sorry to have delayed so in my response. I'm currently working very long hours at the hospital. Quoting me you wrote: "Had you asked if the behavior differs NOW, for the one who ONCE practiced it (referring to the saved) then the answer would be yes. Their behavior is different. The unsaved is continuing in sin while the saved is no longer continuing in the sin." You responded: "Which is exactly what I've been saying. If we tell the unsaved who is continuing in their sin that it is possible that they are now saved, then we have given them false assurance. We have judged according to Biblical standards." In no place at no time have I even suggested that "we tell the unsaved who is continuing in their sin that it is possible that they are now saved". Go anywhere (everywhere) in this thread and point to where I have said anything close to that. If I have mis-typed or misrepresented my intending meaning I will desire to correct that. I have carefully read and reread my own words here and honestly can't imagine how they can be so mistaken as to suggest that my "choice of words...could have been used by the lost to justify their continued lifestyles". I honestly find that ridiculous. "Could have been" is hypothetical so I appreciate the point your making as I understand it, but, you yourself said that you "knew that isn't what you meant" referring to my posts. I appreciate our need/responsibility to challenge each other in order to prevent "corrupt communication" especially considering the limitations of posting and reading words on a screen. I have no problem with that and more than that, I appreciate and depend on it. My thoughts, perhaps from my simple, less scholarly perspective (said with sincerity), is that our being good stewards is best attained by more straight-forward, specific, and simple as need be responses; especially when we consider the varying degrees of intellect our readers and participants posses. It is, in my opinion, essential in the public forum. A perfect example of being clear (taken from this thread) is your asking how I thought the behaviors of those "who once were" DIFFERED from those who "are now". As we are agreeing to uncorrupt the corrupt communication I believe I see the problem in your original question as it relates to my response (or vice versa). Had you asked how I believe the behavior DIFFERS my answer would have been very different. How it differed(past tense applied to both)? It did not. The behaviors were exactly the same (regarding their sinfulness). How it differs (present tense applied to both)? The unsaved continues in the behavior. The saved person does not. Acknowledging semantics here, I'm almost sure we're in agreement on the whole issue. So it's not left unsaid and my position is clear here please understand this. In my years on the forum I have encountered a very few who I respect and trust regarding their doctrine as I much as I do you. With that said, some have been instrumental in teaching and guiding me in discovering the truths of Scripture, but none here more than you. I pray that the way I express myself is never interpreted as a attempt to be intentionally argumentative. I pray I never twist and turn my words or the words of others to continue to insist I'm right and another is wrong nor to avoid admitting I'm wrong. I pray others do the same. God bless, Jeff |
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32 | Are old words proper for Scripture? | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 210623 | ||
I believe your partly confused because you seem not to understand the difference between God's word (Scripture) and man's language. You wrote: "If god never uses old words,..." so your premise is flawed. Where does the thought that God "never uses old words" come from? God has used and continues to use the language of men to communicate. The inspired writings of Scripture were written in the language of the writers. They have been translated and transliterated into other languages. It has little or nothing to do with old verses new words. Language and meaning is the focus. I wouldn't want my secretary to send out a memo to my staff in Hebrew (old or new). I'm thankful someone translated Scritpure into English... I both enjoy and benefit from both the old and the new. |
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33 | Are old words proper for Scripture? | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 210629 | ||
Where does that quote come from? You have lost me, or I have lost me, or something like that. How does this answer my question? sorry I'm not following. Jeff |
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34 | How to convince a personneed for chirst | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 210903 | ||
Yes sister- the yoke is easy and the burden is light. Especially when we focus on our part and have faith in Him to do His. I'm guessing that you too may have had those early experiences of trying to convince others. I say early experiences, but the truth is, I'm not immune to slipping back in that direction at times. I believe that one way we can measure that is when we feel frustrated in the effort. Then we might see that we are trying to do more than we are called to do and, of course, more than we are cabable of doing. I'm going through that right now with family members so I believe I might understand where ircochran is coming from. Pray faithfully and believe just as faithfully and know that His will, will be accomplished. God bless, Jeff |
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35 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 210905 | ||
Dear Brad- the tree possibles that you gave ("wishing on fish" for example) are just as good as the real meaning of WOF (Word of Faith)as it pertains to the heretical Word of Faith "Movement". WOF is not having faith in the word, as the WOF folks would have you believe. Instead, it's a heretical false teaching that is totally contrary to the truth of Scripture regarding faith. It declares that the individual believer has the "authority" and "right" to "name and claim" anything in faith and have it. They even teach that specific promises in Scripture that were not made to and are not about them can be claimed. It goes on to demand that God is "obligated" to give you what you ask for, including financial wealth, because you demand it in faith. Probably should stop here so as not to drift from the purpose of SBF as a bible study forum. After doing some research, to include exploring the site sister Azure pointed to, we might come back and ask particulars that can be explored in light of Scripture. Also try to search box. God bless, Jeff |
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36 | Could this be the great apostasy? | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 211776 | ||
Glad no offense John. Like any forum, it takes some time to get a good feel for the group and even with the best written guidelines there may still be some question. For example, one of the guidelines here is "Postings must be Biblically based and not opposing the Bible's sole authority (sola Scriptura)..." Therefore, a response pointing to information in the Koran to support or refute something would not be in compliance with the terms of use since the Koran is not a source of truth nor authority. I suppose that asking the question like you did the second time might be appropriate and so I'll answer it. The bible does not identify the Muslim religion as the great apostasy. Another helpful hint. type the word apostasy into the Search Box (upper right) and you will get a lot to read and consider. God bless, Jeff |
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37 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 212247 | ||
flyman- Good that you read the entire chapter. Now that you have done that read my post again but a bit more carefully. Also consider the wider context of Scripture, as a whole, as your reading. In my post I don't say that the theme of the chapter is charitable giving. I said the word "alms" in the verse you asked about speaks to charitable giving. That was only the first sentence. The rest of the post speaks to the theme (of the verse- not the entire chapter). There is more than one truth, point, and theme in the entire chapter. There is nothing contrary to my statement when I said Jesus is not saying to sell all of your possessions, leaving yourself without means of living and giving it all away. That statement is accurate, and again, must be understood in context of Scripture as a whole. We are to be good stewards of all we are blessed with. Consider a word study of “steward”. Four times in your post you point to "do not worry" as "A" theme. Great! It's not important that you did not get that from my post though I had hoped you would; better that you got it on your own from Scripture. I'm glad I was able to encourage you to do the work... the fruit is always sweeter when you pick it yourself :-) Not worrying about the future is a start but hardly the theme in and of itself. The "why" of not worrying about the future is what's important. Why? Because, we can have faith in God to supply all our needs. As a result we live with thanks giving, blessing as we are blessed. Your response to my post indicates that you may have a tendency to scan rather than read with focus. For example, you wrote "I have read chapter 12 over and over and there is nothing pertaining to charitable giving". Well, what pertains very specifically to charitable giving is the very verse you originally referenced, asking for help regarding its meaning. Luke 12:33-34 (NASB) 33 "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34 "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. I included verse 34 as it speaks to the focus of my original response. It's about the spiritual condition. Trusting God for all of our needs and blessing others as we are blessed; in other words, trusting without worry and charitable giving. Try reading through passages and then reading a second time a bit more slowly. Where context is considered start first with the most immediate if you’re having trouble; that is, the immediate verses before and those after. The more you learn of God's word the better you will understand individual verses and passages; that is, as they are consistent with and relevant too truth. Hope this helps, Jeff |
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38 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 212262 | ||
Flyman- I’m beginning to believe that part of your problem is that you’re argumentative which may lead to being unteachable. You asked for the meaning of a single verse and then reply immediately with a rebuttal when the meaning is given. Hardly a good way to get started and certainly a poor approach to learning. Your “impression” about what charitable giving is, is just that… you impression. Unfortunately, many share your impression. A couple of dollars in the donation bucket and I’m done. I’m sure that nothing in my post gave you that impression or was even suggestive of such; again, the impression is your own. You are not seeing the verse and the meaning for what it is because you already have your mind made up about it (which is why I am confused that you asked the question in the first place). You’re failing to apply logic and rational thinking to the verse. Logic and rational can only be applied if you know and understand the precepts taught in Scripture that speak to the issue. So I suggested you do some word studies including that of “steward”. I see that you have not yet. Furthermore, you are even missing the context of individual sentences. You have to pay better attention if you truly want to understand what is being said. I’ll say it again. We are not told anywhere in Scripture to give away the very means of survival that we have been blessed with. The whole point is missed if that is the conclusion you draw. Christ is talking, once again I write, about the spiritual condition of the person. Again, drawing your attention to the context, in verse 13 we have a person wanting something he has not earned and has no legal right to and yet he’s wanting his own brother to be forced into giving it to him. Sound familiar? Do the birds that are so well looked after not search for and gather food? Of course they do, and many creatures store up as well. The rich man was not lacking with God because he was rich or even because he stored up. His error was in his spiritual condition and his self-centeredness. He stored up his blessing without blessing others. He depended on his own effort without trusting God (or recognizing his stores were from God in the first place) he reasoned “to himself” and not with God. Did Jesus and His disciples give every dime they had to the poor or did they keep a money bag of their own to provide for their needs (hint, they kept a money bag). If you want to “follow my Lord the correct way” my friend, you must first discern what that way is. I’ll point you again and see if this helps. Read 2 Corinthians chapter 8. then read it again slowly and consider what is being taught. This is a good place to start in your study of stewardship. God bless, Jeff |
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39 | dogs or cats in heaven (pets) | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 214467 | ||
dieselcowboy- welcome to the forum. As a rule, and in keeping with the "Terms of Use" of this forum, we hold to the authority of Scripture here. Attempting to apply logic in the abscense of Scriptural support is not only unhelpful in bible study... it is also dangerous. Therefore, your(or my) being "sure" of something in the abscense of Scripture saying so is of little value. We try to "police" ourselves as best we can here so I'll ask that you take a more serious approach to ensure that your postings reflect biblical truth and not so much assumption and logic without reason. Scripture is very clear, for example, that created things (including dogs and cats) do not have the same eternal ranking as does God's word. Quite the opposite in fact. Please see Matthew 24:35 God bless, Jeff |
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40 | Divine intervention? | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 214786 | ||
Vintage68- first let me say that I appreciate that you do point to Scripture to try and support your argument which many on this forum do not. What is obvious to me though, is that you are not in fact practicing good exegesis. Instead, what I see is a significant effort to use Scripture to support what you believe is true. The problem with that is that you end up applying your beliefs (doctrine) to Scripture instead of allowing Scripture to establish your belief. Please don’t be offended; allow me to point some things out. There is so much more to bible study than doing word searches. You write that “there is not (one) place in the Old Testament where the word steward is used, where it is not referring to a person that takes care of the household, ie, belongings of another. You go on to credit the NT for giving a single example. You argue that “Every other place it is only used in relation to the person dealing with the spiritual things of God”. That is, I believe, you’re problem understanding stewardship. The carnal mind is capable, perhaps, of separating it. The changed, saved person will eventually understand from Scripture that there is no part of his/her existence that is not spiritual. In other words, every word you speak, every thought you think, every penny you spend, etc. is intimately involved with and dictated by your spiritual condition. Matthew 12:36 declares this. There is no biblical principle or teaching (in either testament) that teaches that 10 percent is God’s and the remaining 90 percent is mine. Absolutely nowhere will you find that. Read the following passage and consider it within the context of our topic here. Deuteronomy 6:10-15 (ESV) 10 "And when the Lord your God brings you into the land that he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give you—with great and good cities that you did not build, 11 and houses full of all good things that you did not fill, and cisterns that you did not dig, and vineyards and olive trees that you did not plant—and when you eat and are full, 12 then take care lest you forget the Lord, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 13 It is the Lord your God you shall fear. Him you shall serve and by his name you shall swear. 14 You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you, 15 for the Lord your God in your midst is a jealous God, lest the anger of the Lord your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth. The first part of this passage is demonstrating that it is God who provides all things. The second part is the command to manage the resulting life in a spiritually right way. Have you ever heard the story about the little girl’s prayer? At dinner one night the father asked his young daughter to give thanks for the evening meal. She thanked God for MAKING everything on the table including the plates, glasses, silver ware, napkins, etc. After she was done her father asked, “Honey, don’t you know that daddy goes to work every day so that he can buy all these things on our table”? The little girl looked up at her father briefly and then closed her eyes once more in prayer. “And God, thank you for making daddy”. It all comes from God, it ALL belongs to God, and how we manage it all is in direct correlation with who we are spiritually. Every dime that I call mine is one dime I’ve been allowed (by God) to keep for myself. Whatever percentage that dime represents of my earthly wealth also represents what percentage of my spiritual self I have not surrendered to God. Jeff |
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