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21 | Do YOU belive in the Bible? | 1 Cor 7:15 | jg8ball | 39085 | ||
I don't disagree with you about Love other than that I think Love is a feeling, emotion, attitude, a way of life. I also wouldn't call it merely and emotion for Love is the most important feeling one could have. Just as Hatred is the worst. I also agree that we can't make the Bible mean what we want it to. Becuase there are areas that can legitimitely be interepreted more than one way, even though we humans may like to argue back and forth about what is right, they do not necessarily play a role in the grand scheme of what the Bible says. The important things in the bible are very clear. IE: Believe in Jesus Christ and repent your sins. Love God and Neighboor. Forgive your brother. So how did this whole thing get started anyways? Oh well, have a good day. |
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22 | Do YOU belive in the Bible? | 1 Cor 7:15 | jg8ball | 39069 | ||
I have to disagree with you when you say that the Bible can only be intepreted one way. What about all the different denominations, or Calvinism vs Armeniumism, or Catholic vs Protestant? Aren't these all based on different interpretations of the Bible. Or are you saying that your way is the only true interpretation of the Bible and everyone else is wrong? Everything you write in this forum, unless you are quoting someone or somthing else, is your opinion. Just because you cite a verse, your interpretation is your opinion and may or may not be in agreement with everyone. When you tell me to keep my feelings to a minimum, I "feel" you are missing the whole point of what Jesus told us. Everything He did was for His love of God and His love for us. His feelings. Everything He said was His opinion of how to best interpret God's will based on those feelings. I do not know about you, but my "feelings" are based on what I have learned (to date) from the Holy Spirit, studying the word of God, and my experiences in interacting with others. Our feelings are very important when trying to help others and making decisions in your life. I believe the Holy Spirit, if allowed, uses our feelings to know the will of God. In some cases I agree that citing scripture verses should be used (such as showing that Jesus died for ALL people and not SOME people) but I did not feel it was necessary at that point in the exchange about her abusive husband. If she would have asked for biblical references, I would have given them. Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Isn't LOVE a feeling? It's through my Love for God and those in need that I attempt to offer my "opinions" or "feelings" (or interpretation of the Bible) not based on a whim, but on my continuing walk with Jesus. Am I wrong in my thinking? |
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23 | Stay marriaed at all costs? | 1 Cor 7:15 | jg8ball | 39021 | ||
Well Said!!! | ||||||
24 | "even" is confusing. | John 1:12 | jg8ball | 2825 | ||
I agree with you. When I see the phrase "believe in his name", I (mistakenly?) interpret that as accepting Jesus as your Savior. As far as I know, most people believe Jesus lived 2000 years ago and did many wonderful things. But when you believe IN Jesus, that's something completely different. Sorry for the confusion. | ||||||
25 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1689 | ||
We can end this conversation now. In your small mind (compared to God's of course) you seem to know exactly how God works. I sometimes wish I could be so blind and assume that there is only one possible interpretation of the Bible. Have a good day and try to enjoy God's gift. |
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26 | What is Escaping Corruption of World? | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1612 | ||
I assume then that you do not believe once saved, always saved. | ||||||
27 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1596 | ||
I wish I had the time to show you verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book why I believe God's plan of salvation is for EVERYONE that chooses to believe in Jesus and that EVERYONE is capable of making that choice if they honestly believe. Unfortunately not everyone will make that choice. I believe those people are too caught up in the world or may have known some "Christians" and decided that if that's how they act I'd rather not join or several other excuses. I leave you with this to ponder (please read it carefully): Luke 14:16-24: Jesus replied: "A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, 'Come, for everything is now ready.' "But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, 'I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.' "Another said, 'I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I'm on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.' "Still another said, 'I just got married, so I can't come.' "The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, 'Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.' "'Sir,' the servant said, 'what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.' "Then the master told his servant, 'Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full. I tell you, not one of those men who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.'" |
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28 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1594 | ||
First of all there is no biblical evidence of what happend to Pharoah. You cannot assume one way or the other. Yes, there is a posibiity that Pharoah's realized the power of God and repented. The opposite is also possible. There is no sin to great for God to forgive. Just because God hardened his heart does not mean he was damned. It just means that he had to use Pharoah to demonstrate the great power of God to both the Egyptians and the Isrealites. What happened after the Sea of Reeds is not stated in the Bible (that I'm aware of). Egyptian history may offer some clue but that really doesn't matter. |
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29 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1577 | ||
You actually believe (as an analogy) that God wrote this big book and we are the characters in that book unable to express our own thoughts and wills but rather follow the script that God wrote? I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with that analogy. You mentioned the people in Noah's day. How does this hold up with your beliefs? Did God only "choose" Noah and his family as elect and realized that he didn't choose enough "good" people so he wiped out everyone else and started over or did He wipe out other Elect people? You also mentioned other people in the OT that God directly influenced. I do believe that God will "override" our will when necessary to see that his plan comes to pass. God predestined his plan of salvation for us. He wants us all to be saved and has made a provision for that through Jesus Christ. He wants us to love Him, not by His will, but by our own will. If you want to relate it to something, then a play would be a better example than a book. In this play, God created the opening characters and the setting for these characters to live. He also created a rough story line to follow but then gave these characters the abilty to "ad-lib" so that He could sit back and watch. Every once in a while, He'll throw in a plot twist or two or may guide a character a certain way to see that His ending is met. He's also there to help any character that asks for it. I admit it's not the best analogy, but It's not easy to incorporate God into something as simple as an author of a literary piece (other than the Bible). Finally, yes, I'd like to be a puppet (in the good sense), but I'd also like world peace, no hunger, no disease, etc... but that's just not the way I see that God works. I doubt that I'll ever be able to change your mind, and admit that you probably won't change my mind but I have been tring to see how you can interpret the way you do but just can't seem to agree with it. All I see is that you have taken a few verses out of the bible and interpreted the whole bible based on those verses, very similar to how the Jehovah Witnesses developed their understanding of the bible. When I interpret the bible, I try to use the whole bible and determine how it fits. If it seems contradictory, then I look at who the author was writing to, other things the writer had written, reference to OT that writer may have used and how that relates. When Paul is talking about the "Elect" and "God chose us" and "God foreknew us", he's talking to believers. These people can be called that because they have already chosen to follow Jesus. Paul was "building" these people up, encouraging them, reminding them what it means to be a follower of Christ. He was letting them know that God knew of his plan of salvation through Jesus from the beginning of time and that since they chose to accept Jesus into their hearts, they too are part of His plan. To imply that God's plan was to only select certain people to be saved and the others not to be saved is ridiculous. God may have hardened Pharoahs heart (or anyone elses) but did not prevent them from being repentent in the end. And finally, if you still believe that God chose only His "Elect" to be saved and that all the "Elect" will be saved because they cannot refuse the will of God, then how do you explain Jesus' words that it's harder for a rich man to go to heaven? |
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30 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1533 | ||
Bottom line. Our views differ on what the term election means and who God chose. If I understand you correctly, you believe that God chose certain people that could be saved (and therefore chose certain people that could not be saved). The people that God chose to be saved are the Elect. I'm not sure if you believe all the Elect will be saved or if only some of the Elect will be saved though. I believe that God offered EVERYONE the opportunity to be saved. Jesus died for the sins of everyone - past, present, and future. I also believe that God wants us to accept His gift by choosing for ourselves to believe in His son. Those that choose to believe are the elect talked about in the Bible. God predestined his plan of salvation and this plan was that EVERYONE could be saved if they believed. Will everyone be saved? NO. Can people do good deeds to get into Heaven? NO. It is only through faith that a person can be saved - ANY person. We all start out the same. It's not until we choose to believe in the Lord that we are separated from this world and united through Christ. How can you read the Bible and interpret that God would choose to save only some people and not others and do this by making us puppets? What sense does it make to beleive that God wants us to worship and love Him and also believe that He choses who will do that? I'm sorry, but God chooses that we ALL worship and love Him, but because He loves us so much, does not want to force us, but rather choose for ourselves. I'm not sure if you have children, but would you rather force them to love you or would you rather have them want to love you for themselves? |
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31 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1532 | ||
I'd love to respond with love and compassion but when the people that respond don't answer the questions or take parts of it and twist it around, it really gets frustrating. Sorry if that offends you but your response to my initital posting to you was just as offensive (if not more) to me. In retrospect, I probably should have been a little nicer when I pointed out that you did not answer my question but instead chose to pull a piece of it out and twist it around. It's just that it happens so often when talking about election. | ||||||
32 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1501 | ||
Not only did you not answer my question, you took a small portion of what I said, twisted it around and used it to start another topic. (I've been finding this very typical of people that believe that the doctrine of election refers to God choosing some to be saved and others not to be.) Since you asked about the reason for sharing Christ to others, I feel you've got the order wrong. We share Christ in hopes of bringing others to Him which will result in more people worshiping God. I back this up with the Great Commission (Matt 28:16-20) which tells us to go out and make disciples of all nations, teaching them everything about Jesus. |
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33 | Is Jesus God? | John 1:1 | jg8ball | 1316 | ||
Thanks for the info. I'll let you know if it helps. I have been working with him for the last several months and he is extremely open (for a JW) but can't make that final step be he is able to admit of several flaws in the JW teaching. I just bought him a parallel bible with KJV, NASB, NIV, and NLT in hopes that he will read it for himself and see how the NWT clouds the meanings. |
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34 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1288 | ||
I'm sorry but I don't see how you equate "God chose some to salvation and not others" to "not by works, lest anyone should boast" The "Not by works..." is simply saying that there is no good deed that we could do to get to Heaven, it is by faith alone. There is absolutely no way you could take this statement and come up with the idea that God has selected people that will not be saved. I agree that God must do the first act in our salvation. He did that when he sent Jesus to die for EVERYONE's sins - past, present, and future. That's very clear. If Jesus would not have died for our sins, then we would have no chance of getting in Heaven. God offered us the chance for salvation as a gift to us - a gift we don't deserve. Because God offered us this gift, it is then up to us to decide to accept it. Those that choose to accept it will be saved and are called the believers, born-again, Christians (although this term is now used usely), followers of Christ, elect, the chosen ones, etc... It just doesn't make any sense why God would only select certain individuals to be saved. Not because I don't think it's fair (for who am I to say what God should do), but more because I just can't see it that way in the bible. There are just too many examples of it being our choice. God opened the offer of salvation up to ANYONE that would believe. |
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35 | Snatch? | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1206 | ||
I think the key is the phrase "Escaping the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ" not just a word. You can't just pull a word out and call that the key to understaning the meaning. You have to look at the whole thought. | ||||||
36 | Snatch? | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1197 | ||
Thank you for your interpretation. I've been using the NIV bible which states it differently. I would like to know what version you are refering to so that I can read it in context as you are. The NIV says "If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ..." I interpret "escaping the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord" as being saved. That's the only way I know to escape the corruption of the world. The KJV says it similarly "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." And the same for NASB - "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first." I do agree with you though that one can know Christ but not Know Christ. I don't think that people that just know who Jesus is (and maybe even try and act as he did) could escape the corruption of the world. Only if you were saved could be free from the corruption of the world. If you turn back to the ways of the world and renounce your salvation, then you no longer have that guarantee. |
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37 | why did God create the world | Gen 1:1 | jg8ball | 1181 | ||
Great Answer!! That may come in handy sometime. Thanks. | ||||||
38 | A pastor who is there? | NT general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 1180 | ||
We agree on something! :) | ||||||
39 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1178 | ||
I'm sorry you feel that way. You could not be further from the truth. How can one learn if they are not open to other ideas and willing to discuss their points? And yes, you told me EXPLICITLY that you believe I care more about... but you were wrong. If I left it alone there, you would have again made a false interpretation. If you noted in my posting, I said I assumed that was the case and also said that I may have assumed wrong. |
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40 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1174 | ||
I assume then because you refuse to interpret the verse then you are admitting that it does not hold with what you believe to be true so you just ignore it. That's a real good way of studying the Bible. If I assume wrong, then please tell me how you would interpret it. I really would like to know because I can't seen any other legitimate way. I'm not saying there isn't another way, just that I don't see it. Also, for your information, I do think that there are many verses (ideas) that can be interpreted multiple ways and I am open to them. |
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