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21 | who benefits most from prayer? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 115857 | ||
I have to agree with EdB. I think we can gain a lot from our example in the Apostle Paul as cited in the following: 2 Cor 12:6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say. 7To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. With all the tremendous good things Paul did AND the tremendous sacrifices he made to be a christian, I would think he above all other humans on this planet since his lifetime would have deserved some relief but the Lord didn't see fit to give it to him. Whenever I read these words I shrink with embarrassment at my feeble attempts to be a christian. Also I tend to complain about the tiny "thorns" in my life just like everyone else in the world. ALL of us should feel ashamed. We should be just thankful to be alive and well in such a country as this with all the freedoms and blessings we enjoy. I hope this gives you comfort and God bless. |
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22 | FAREWELL FROM THE LITTLE BOY | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 116069 | ||
ISCHUS, I have to say EdB's words show much wisdom and maturity. "See ya around." God bless. I should also mention that hopefully ALL of us on the Forum have been humbled occasionally. |
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23 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117549 | ||
Study the whole Bible and you should clearly see that God has given this dispensation of Godliness over to His Son. I agree with Kalos in that God's Word most certainly DOES NOT contradict itself but He does expect us to "graduate" from the Law of Moses and the OT as shown in Col 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Matt 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. The main theme throughout the Book of Hebrews is the superiority of this Law of Liberty as provided in the NT compared to that in the OT. This contrast is discussed briefly by Jesus in Mark 10:1 Then He arose from there and came to the region of Judea by the other side of the Jordan. And multitudes gathered to Him again, and as He was accustomed, He taught them again. 2The Pharisees came and asked Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" testing Him. 3And He answered and said to them, "What did Moses command you?" 4They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her." 5And Jesus answered and said to them, "Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6But from the beginning of the creation, God "made them male and female.' 7"For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." 10In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter. 11So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. 12And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." We all know about the contrast about vengence with "eye for an eye and tooth for tooth" in the OT, but Jesus says forgive your neighbor and bless them that curse you. Kalos or anyone else...how do you reconcile these scriptures with your insistance that the OT is still applicable to us today?? There's just no way this position can be defended IF you consider the WHOLE Bible on this subject. I do hope and pray you'll reconsider but I also pray God will bless you with an open mind. |
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24 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117554 | ||
Your analogy is cute but it's not quite right. You see in football, the QB and the WR are integral parts throughout the game. A more appropriate contrast is the playoffs vs. the superbowl. God laid the groundwork during the OT era or dispensation whereas he transferred the whole ballgame to His Son and let Him take over the ruling, terms and conditions of the superbowl, this timeframe and dispensation. Thus instead of a levitical priesthood with imperfect sacrifices, we have the Perfect High Priest with whom we can approach His Father directly. (We couldn't do that before Christ's coming.) Now during this dispensation, we have elders and deacons taking over the actual government of the church here and now on earth. All people, including us Gentiles as well as Jews can now be christians. I appreciate your reference to Hebrews for indeed this is all made very plain in Heb 8:1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man. 3For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain." 6But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. Again, let me say the OT is an absolutely VITAL part of the Bible and God's Word but whereas God put mankind through school and taught him what it is to sin, now he expects us to grow up and graduate and tackle the tougher topics without the specific dos and don'ts of the OT. He's expecting us to figure out the parts left unsaid in His Son's Last Will and Testament (NT). Do you have specific scriptures in the NT to counter those specific scriptures I've used in these two posts? God bless you in your study. |
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25 | Gods view of David vs. Saul | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117575 | ||
Hank, I must admit you really do give a whole new depth to the expression "trying the patience of Job." I've issued some really fine challenges, well supported with scriptures and you ignore them. I've explained in great detail why I respond to these kind of questions asking "why" and yet you insist on scriptures when it should be obvious to any really serious Bible student there ISN'T any. So, once again I issue yet another challenge. The human side is peaking out in me but I must ask do you have the courage and love for people's souls to give up your pride? My challenge: 1) How about if you come up with specific scriptures in direct opposition with the points I've made on this thread? 2) How about if you come up with an opposing position showing "God's view of David vs. Saul" with scriptures to support your statement? Finally 3) Take another look at the previous challenges mentioned earlier, the ones I issued with supportive scriptures and respond with your opposing position(s) with scriptures to support them. I do want to try to do right by you and my fellow Forum members and issue these challenges in a spirit of love and devotion to God. And the best thing is that God gets the glory. So what do you say? Regardless of you response, I still pray for God to bless you. |
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26 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117578 | ||
You bring up a very good point which makes my point a little clearer. One of the 10 commandments was to make the Sabbath holy which goes in direct opposition to the NT command by example of worship assembly on the "first day of the week." This is just one of the contrasts as was mentioned earlier in my previous post. In contrast to the command Not to Murder, we are to adhere to a higher standard and forgive our enemies, even when the enemy doesn't ask for forgiveness. Like I mentioned before, God wants us as His children to graduate from the 600 plus ordinances of the OT and move on to the Law of Liberty with Christ as the High Priest. Again, I must ask: Do you have specific scriputures directly opposing the scriptures I used to support my previous posts. Please be sure they specifically counter the main point of each scripture. God bless. |
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27 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117588 | ||
This response is submitted to both you and Kalos. For some reason you and he seem to think that I'm advocating literally deleting the OT from the Bible. I could no more do that than I could cut off my right arm. I appreciate so very much the tremendous value of the OT. It gives us the background to better understand the NT. Without the OT, the NT would be almost useless except for merely meeting the terms and condition of salvation. Without the OT, we wouldn't know and appreciate the tremendous amount of pain, suffering and planning our Father put into his mystery, His Plan of Salvation, the main theme throughout the OT. Without the OT, we wouldn't know and appreciate all of what God's family of Jews went through in their long journey, from the wonderful followership of Joshua's and Kavid's lead to plumb the very depths of disobedience with a multitude of badly chosen kings. You see, the most wonderful thing we humans are to learn from the OT is that God will love us forever, even when we're at our worst...yes even when we follow the lead of our Jewish ancestors. Our God in the form of His Son went to Hell itself to save you and me. So, please believe me as I've said before the OT is incredibly valuable to us as christians BUT it has no authority in our lives. It's a dead body of laws which is a wonderful item for our study and reference. We must keeep the OT in perspective. We'll be judged by the words of the NT as comissioned by the Lord and His official representatives. Again, the OT is a wonderful source for confirmation of the NT BUT when the OT shows an inferior standard in contrast, the NT MUST be adhered to. This is NOT a contradiction. This IS what God intended to happen. He was educating all of mankind with the OT and its 600 plus ordinances. Now He wants us all to graduate and learn to prefer His spiritual world instead of this physical one. He wants us to figure most of the details of this modern dispensation by using our minds and infer when we need to from His Word. Just like we prefer our kids to grow up and learn to mature and figure out their world without specifying each little step to reach their own goals. I do hope this is clear. God bless. |
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28 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117590 | ||
I thought I made that clear but I'd rather see what some of the other Forum participants think of this debate. How about it folks? What do you think and God bless. | ||||||
29 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117614 | ||
I can only quote back to you the scriptures I've referring to all along and those are Heb 8 and Col 2:13-15. I realize the verses you're referring to above speak to the whole Bible but you haven't responded to these verses I've just cited so how do YOU reconcile these positions especially since they came from the same author, writer of these epistles? I would also cite John 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him--the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. and Matt 28:18. Like I've mentioned before, the best parts of the OT is repeated in the NT, but notice there are significant and large portions of the OT left out because they don't apply, i.e. Sabbath day and the generous handling of divorce to men from the OT. I'm also hoping to see your response to the rest of my post no 117575. I'd like to see what other Forum participants think about these subjects. God bless. --Rowdy |
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30 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117615 | ||
My only response would be to refer to the same ole analogy about the way we handle a person's Last Will and Testament. As you know, when a person dies and leaves such a document for the execuator to execute, he MUST do so in accordance with those terms and conditions in the will. When the recipient complies and meets those requirements he FULFILLS those terms and conditions. Now of course this has always been discussed from our perspective in our compliance and receiving the gift of salvation to mankind. But another in scenario 2,000 years ago, Christ FULFILLED His Father's Will. And just like in this world of ours, after a person fulfills the will in question, the will is done, thus Christ's Words "It is finished." God's first dispensation was done, it was fulfilled. His Son had met His Father's requirement of one human being living the perfect and sinless life AND became the perfect sacrifice for all mankind AND became the perfect example for mankind to model after and imitate. But my main point here is: The OT was fulfilled and thus has no authority in governing our lives. IF it did we would all still be required to offer up sacrifices of animals at least every week. We would all be required to have all christians circumcised and we all know what Paul says about that subject. No, my friend the burdensome rules, regulations and ordinances of the OT have no place in our spiritual relationship with God because it been FULFILLED by His Son as the perfect sacrifice. Remember fulfillment of a will puts a wrap on it and it's tucked away in some dusty bin in some court appointed drawer somewhere. Its authority is no more. BUT it can be extracted now and again for study or analysis. The best thing about all this is the better covenant we have with better promises and a much better High Priest, Christ Himself. Another wonderful side benefit, Christ sees Himself as our senior Brother. He's willing to cover our sins and vouch for us when we get to Heaven IF we've been faithful. I hope this clears up the full meaning of this controversy for you and God bless. --Rowdy |
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31 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117649 | ||
Most of the time, I use the NIV from the Gateway website. I really prefer the NASB or the NKJV but I seem to have trouble getting those versions to come up on my screen while in that website. Do you use the Gateway Bible website? If so, maybe you're better at it than I am and would like to share?? Let me know and God bless. --Rowdy |
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32 | Bible version can become an idol? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 117685 | ||
Thanks. God bless. --Rowdy | ||||||
33 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118090 | ||
Matt 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?" So how else would you explain Jesus' statement from the cross as cited above? I acknowledge your statement but what I DON'T see is your response to the original question about "Why did Jesus pray to have the cup pass from Him?" Let's see how you handle it. God bless. --Rowdy |
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34 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118091 | ||
Then how do you explain how and why the Devil tempted Christ as recorded in Matt 4? I acknowledge your statement above but what I DON'T see is your response to the original question about "Why Jesus prayed for the cup to be passed from him?" God bless. --Rowdy |
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35 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118095 | ||
I acknowledge your questions above to which I'll have to do more homework and get back to you. But again, I ask where is your response to the original question about "Jesus' prayer to His Father to have the cup pass from Him?" God bless. --Rowdy |
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36 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118113 | ||
Very well put! --Rowdy | ||||||
37 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118115 | ||
What make you think that Satan had anything to do with anything connected with the Holiness of God; in you statement, “it would be enough for the Devil to keep Him there forever.” The devil has nothing to do with the perfect plan of God and he has nothing to do with hell or the lake of fire other then the fact that he will suffer there like all the rest that don’t fear God! OK, you've answered one question but you didn't respond to the one about the Devil's tempting Jesus in the desert after Jesus was baptized. IF there was NOT even a slight chance during this exchange of Jesus' slipping and sinning, then what's the purpose of this story in our Bible? Further, what's the value of Heb 4:15 if what you say is true? It seems you have a difficult explanation to craft together. But I await your reply. God bless. --Rowdy |
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38 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118118 | ||
Re: "turn His back to His own Son" 33At the sixth hour darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour. 34And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" We know that God hates sin so why else would He have darkness come over the earth at such a time when His Son is fulfilling the Father's plan so perfectly? How do you explain this and the verse above? Re: little apprehensive about going to hell Lk 22:42"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." 43An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground. And Matt 26:38. What else could be troubling Jesus so as to cause this much anxiety? What is your explanation? Re: devil's keeping Christ in Hell, I would refer you to my post no 118115. As you have already surmised, my previous post has much conjecture and conclusions but that is to be expected when a person asks Why. Would you mind telling me why this is such an alien concept to you and Hank and others that are so harsh in reading and criticizing my posts? I've explained this numerous times about the fact that many times the Bible does NOT give a clear cut and specific answer to every imaginable question so God does expect us to use our minds and conclude proper conclusions from the Spirit of His Word. I would sincerely appreciate your response. Thanks. Also maybe you can explain why no one wants to respond to my challenges from several weeks ago wherein I DO cite several scriptures? God bless. --Rowdy |
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39 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118129 | ||
As I've stated before in other posts and briefly in my profile, I do prefer to go for the deeper, more probing question like this one. I like to discuss Bible truths and principles, both basic and ocassionally even the tough stuff. I would like to stress that I think our God does expect us to mature and share our thoughts with all His children, especially if our intent is to build them up and encourage us all to keep growing, keep maturing and strive to reach for new heights in teaching each other. I must also stress if we choose to a ministry such as this we MUST do so with love (real genuine God like love), thus I must apologize for my ocassional lapse in weakness when I let the human side "peek out" in me. I do enjoy participating on the Forum as I'm sure you do but I would also re-emphasize another one of my previous points and that is the fact I'm just holding down my end of this level playing field. There's many of you like yourself who are very good at "quoting book, chapter and verse." Me, it takes a lot of work thus I choose carefully and I'm honestly trying to support my posts with just a little bit more scriptures than my earliest posts after considering all of yours and Hank's critiques. So call me a philosophical fool like Socrates who committed suicide rather than deal with the cold harsh world he lived in. Hopefully, I'll succeed in some small victories and I'll gladly settle for that. But alas I almost forgot. You haven't responded to my challenges, the ones I offered to Hank and to the whole Forum. If you need the Post nos, I'll look them up for you. I'm trying to remember some of the key words but they escape me at the moment. Appreciate your response and God bless. --Rowdy |
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40 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118130 | ||
I'd like to say an hearty Amen to your post but I just wanted to add this supplemental thought with which I'm hoping your agree. I think this separation from God was truly a new experience for our Lord. As we see throughout the Gospels, He was intensely at one with His Father at all times. It almost seems that's the only thing that kept him going, he pushed himself so hard, feeling an incredible amount of compassion for the lost souls around him, the sick and dying. So, when He knew all these sins of the world would separate Him from the Father for a relatively short period, He knew He would face death on His own AND whatever fate awaited Him in Hell. He went to that cross with complete and total faith in His Father's plan. Just seems like an incredibly scary thing to me. I keep emphasizing this point because for me, it makes the fact very clear that he really does know what we're going through being human and facing difficulties in this world. He's been there, far more than we could ever imagine. This much love for you and me. What an amazing God and Father we all have?!! God bless. --Rowdy |
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