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101 | differences in bible translations? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 109355 | ||
Good job! Well done. My only additional comment would be the fact the margin of error is really better than cited. Most of the alterations referred to are to articles like "the" "and," and prepositions, etc. So when you allow for that kind of revisions, one can narrow the margin to a much smaller figure, like 3-5 percent. There really are some sharp intellectuals on this Forum. And good question. God bless you all. | ||||||
102 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114265 | ||
I must admit, my dear Hank, I am a little surprised at you. You bring up one of the most famous examples of conversion to Christianity in the whole Bible and leave out the two last verses. There the Phillipian jailer and his family were baptized in response to Gospel being presented to them. Surely you can see that it was sometime late at night for they needed lights to see and yet they took the time to be baptized. How can anyone interpret this story any other way IF your goal is to be certain and meet Judgment Day with absolute full confidence? I just wanted to tell "the rest of the story." Keep studying friend and God bless. |
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103 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114306 | ||
As you may have gathered from my profile and some of my posts, I like to think I'm a little more conservative than the average participant on the Forum. Thus I pick and choose my battles. I grow weary of this debate as so many others have mentioned but I'll "stand pat" on my same ole position and reiterate the question: "Do our Forum participants want to be certain of their salvation and enter the Judgment Bar of God on that fateful day with full confidence?" Then I would recommend that we obey ALL of God's commands and be "baptized for the remission of our sins." Again, I ask do we see that phrase linked with any other step in the salvation process? Even if someone comes up with some verse that does link another step with that concept, it merely makes that step of salvation equal to the importance of baptism. Again, I grow weary of doing this kind of battle and I'm going to sign off this subject, at least for a little while and let you have the last word. I'm convinced those that need to see these words of truth will see them upon seaching the topic. But I do wish for God to bless you and all participants on this wonderful Forum. |
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104 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114308 | ||
I have to disagree with you and say that our God is not One to repeat Himself unnecessarily. Once, our God says something, even when it's just one single time, that's enough IF that's what He chooses to do. After all, He literally spoke the whole universe into existance with just a few words and only one time. Can we expect more? How could we possibly expect to be treated differently. We're human, His creation. So, what's our conclusion to draw from this kind of discussion. I can only think of one single conclusion. Just like my dear Dad told me: "I don't like to repeat myself, when I tell you something to do, I just want to see you do it." Yes, he was a little harsh sometimes but he got his point across. Now are we going to tell our Holy Creator how to present His terms and conditions for His gift of salvation? How can we even think such a thing. If God says one single command, clear and without any ambiguity AND it applies to us as His modern children in this dispensation, "as for me and my house, we'll obey God" and thank Him for it. I appreciate your posing this question and God bless. |
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105 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114354 | ||
I thought we were going to give our Forum readers a break from this discussion but alas you don't want the last word as I've offered so I would like to issue a challenge to you, call it a counter offer if you will. Why don't you take my last three posts on this subject and submit a rebuttal to each point with specific scriptural references to each one? I on the other hand will work on my rebuttal to your challenge as cited in your most recent post. I'd like to add one more CRITICALLY IMPORTANT caveat to this challenge. Please also include in your rebuttal a specific item responding to my main point in my post to Kalos, numbered 114308. It too is on this thread and is very much closely related. ALSO, I must admit you do seem to be approaching a dangerous violation of the Forum conditions for responses, numbered 2 and 3, especially with your recent post no 114346. Why you seem to foster such intense debates and personal attacks, I can't imagine but hopefully I'm just being overly sensitive and I'll go on and forgive you anyway. Which conditions? I copied them here for you as a reminder: 2. This post is not intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum. 3. This post is not submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum. Maybe after this little debate of ours, we can pray together that God gets the glory and His Word will win. God bless you, dear friend in your study and preparation of your rebuttal. |
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106 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114358 | ||
Sorry, just seemed like you may have needed a reminder. Now and then, my wife reminds me of certain things I did or agreed to when my current words or actions belay that in the past. So I take it, we're both accepting each other's challenge. See ya at the podium and God bless. |
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107 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114441 | ||
I'm sorry. I didn't see this post yesterday when I replied to your other post on this thread. I deeply regret your feeling the way you do here. I was kinda looking forward to a different level of respect for each other but it appears you're far too sensitive about this subject. I don't really understand why. As I've mentioned in previous posts, I was trying to cite at least a few scriputres in support of my statements. Yes, of course there are certain questions and statements of others to which I respond with opinions and conclusions. That's particularly true when the Bible doesn't specifically address the subject like why does God do certain things. It's difficult to imagine a person answering such a question without such a philosophical approach in his answer. Also I don't like to repeat someone else's post of scriputre when it's been posted before or some other scripture with the same kind of guidance. As I mentioned just recently, God should only have to say something, especially a directive or a command once and that should be good enough. But, maybe we both should give this topic a rest and maybe revisit it when you're in a better mood, more inclined to be objective and reasonable. But I am curious about something. Can you tell me how many of the Lockman Foundation are actually reviewing the majority of the posts to this Forum? I'm wondering what do they think of your's and my post over these last few days? I promise to pray for you and ask God's blessings on you. Please do the same for me. Thanks. |
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108 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114574 | ||
I need to respond to this post in two parts as I have a lot to say: 1) I've already cited in previous posts, the 5 distinct steps of Salvation. The only one that is so controversial to so many folks is that of baptism so the bulk of the post is devoted to that topic as provided below. Watered Down Baptism by Allen Webster When we “water something down,” it is diluted, weakened and made less potent. In the old days, taverns “watered down” firewater to make it go further. (You may have been inrestaurants that did the same thing to ketchup for the same reason.) Some medicines are “watered down” so they will not be too strong for children. If paint becomes too thick while setting in a shed, it has to be “watered down” with mineral spirits. In religion, some things have been watered down. In a decadent age of loose morals, many religious teachers have “watered down” the Gospel to make it more appealing to the vice-ridden, self-indulgent (cf. Gal 1:6-10). We are told: “Dress provocatively, if you want, but don’t go naked;” Gamble if you like, if it’s for a good cause, or entertaining, just don’t become addicted;” “Sex before marriage is acceptable, so long as it is between ‘consenting adults’ who intend to marry one day.” Thus homosexuality is blinked at, gambling sanctioned immodesty defended, and adulterers accepted without question. (cf. Rom 1:24-28; 12:17; Prov 23:29; Eph 6:18; 2 Tim 2:9; Gal 5:19-21; Mt 19:9). Baptism, too, has long been diluted in the Protestant and denominational world. No one can deny the importance that the Bible places on baptism since the word occurs nearly one hundred times in various forms in the New Testament. The Bible doctrine of baptism has been “watered down” in at least three ways. Baptism by Sprinkling instead of Immersion Some have watered down baptism by taking most of the water out. When Jesus was baptized, He was immersed. The text says He “went up straightway out of the water” (Matt 3:16). In order to go “up out of the water,” one has to be in the water. Further, the New Testament word for baptism (baptidzo) means “to dip, plunge, or submerge” (consult any standard reference work, such as Thayer or Liddell and Scott). John the Baptist found places to baptize where there was “much water” (John 3:23). The apostles practiced immersion. Paul call baptism a burial (Rom 6:3,4; Col 2:12). One who is buried is completely covered. The first historical case of sprinkling is documented—not in Scripture, but from church history. It was administered in 251 AD to a man named Novation who lay sick in bed. It was not accepted, generally, until a thousand years later at the Counsil of Ravenna in 1311. Sprinkling is watered down baptism. There is not enough left to save. Baptism “To Show One has been Saved” instead of “To Save” The purpose of baptism, according to the Bible, is to remove sins (Acts 22:16). Nowhere in the Bible does one read of a baptism to show the world that one has already been saved. Paul explained that it is a kind of re-enactment of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ (Rom 6:3-17). It shows the world that one has died to sin; then the dead man is buried so a new man can arise and be alive unto God. That does not discount the fact that God removes sins in this act of obedience. Jeesus said that it saves (Mk 16:16). Peter proclaimed it “for the remission of sins” (ac 2:38) and “commanded” those of Cornelius’ house to submit to it (Ac 10:48). Paul said that it puts one “into Christ” (Gal 3:26-7), where all spiritual blessings are (Eph 1:3—including salvation, 2 Tim 2:10). Peter later said that baptism “saves” (1 Pet 3:21). Baptism “to show you have been saved” is watered down. It has lost its potency. |
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109 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114578 | ||
Part 2 of 2: Baptism to “Obey God” instead of “For the Remission of Sins” Lately, some have been willing to accept into fellowship those who were not baptized for the remission of sins. They reationalize that one who was baptized knew that he was doing so to “obey God,” so that would be sufficient. While it is good to want to obey God, one cannot “obey God” without understanding God’s Will. Jesus said, “It is written in the prophets, “And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me” (Jn 6:44-5). The Biblical order in conversion is learning and then coming to God, not coming to God and then learning. Every religious action in the New Testament has a spiritual meaning behind it. There are no unnecessary rituals. One cannot misunderstand the meaning and still complete the action acceptably. Take the Lord’s Supper for instance. Once cannot eat the bread just to “obey God” and not understand that it represents His Body and do so in a manner well pleasing to God (Matt 26:28; 1 Cor 11:23-8). Paul found some in Ephesus who had been baptized incorrectly. Though they had been immersed, and had done so to “obey God,” they were lacking in their understanding of the Holy Spirit and the coming of Christ (Ac 19:1-6). When they learned that they did not properly understand baptism under the Great Commission, they were baptized again. Notice that since they were taught wrong, their baptism was wrong. No man can be taught wrong and baptized right. When one is being baptized, he must have faith that God is removing his sins. Examine Paul’s words: “Buried with him baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operatrion of God, who hath raised Him from the dead” Col 2:12) God performs an operation in the water. He does not cut away a cancerous organ or a diseased limb, but He does remove sin from the soul. We must have faith in that operation and in the Operator in order for it to be successful. 2) There is no such list possible because there is no one example or story in the NT where a person followed these 5 steps. BUT the challenge therein is that neither can Hank or anyone else come up with an absolute case or example of a person following THEIR plan of salvation. That's been one of my main points all along--we MUST take God at His Word and we MUST assume we should obey all of His commands to become a family member of our Lord's Kingdom--just to be on the safe side. 3) And finally "significance of the finished work of Christ" is for nought IF we aren't in God's family on God's Judgment Day. On that point, we can agree readily enough. It's the point of entry that causes so much controversy and I'll agree to that. There are several verses but I'll just cited one from Gal 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. I do hope these two posts in total is clear to everyone and God bless. |
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110 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 114680 | ||
Hank, I was just hoping to find out if you noticed my response to your questions above. I assume you've got a response for me. Also, I'm hoping you'll respond to my question/ challenge on this thread. You might be interested in my question about Paul and Peter and their little disagreement. I'd love to see your responses. Thanks and God bless. |
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111 | Searching for the truth | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 115786 | ||
It matters most of all to the person who perpatrated the wrong. Please notice that Saul (later Apostle Paul) honestly thought he was doing correctly in persecuting and killing christians but the Lord Himself had to set him straight. Makes you wonder about some of the sincere conclusions we all come to in our minds. That's one reason why I love this Forum. Even the best minds like those with as much education as Saul need an ocassional humbling. If you don't get an occasional humbling from either God or His children, I'd have to say you're not active enough in His Kingdom. It's the human way of survival of the fittest in the animal kingdom. But back to your question. If one of God's children doesn't repent to the one whom he has wronged, he faces Judgment Day in dire straits. Also, I would like to think the relationship can be healed and the bond between the two can be increased and made even better after repentance and forgiveness is exchanged. But in the final analysis, like you've alluded to, we all must adopt an attitude of forgiveness and go on about our lives of shining God's light through our lives here on earth. God bless you for seeing this higher priority with our Father. |
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112 | Learning about Pastor! | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 119854 | ||
Just in case you're interested, I too must join Hank and ask that you post to the Forum, learning to master the difference between the upper case and the lower case. It's very difficult to even read your statement so I won't be responding to your actual message. I would assume almost everyone on the Forum would prefer your following at least that much of the protocals around here. Regardless, God bless. --Rowdy |
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113 | what is worship,what is praise | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 120815 | ||
I guess what I'm saying and endorsed by James is that they ARE so closely related, they're linked completely for us to be pleasing to God. It's a whole package deal; if we're not willing to do one, we might as well not do the other for it will do us no good. Also we must be in fellowship with our fellow christians in accordance with 1 John to be pleasing to our God. Hope this clarifies the matter and God bless. --Rowdy |
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114 | what is worship,what is praise | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 120859 | ||
In my way of thinking Christianity is like a precious jewel, especially when you have your own special soul-saving relationship with Christ. The greatest similarity in this comparison is the many different and wonderul facets of both. Each of us has our very own distinctive jewel with our own distinctive set of talents and responsibilities. There are so many different facets (aspects) demanding our attention. For example there's the obvious two as has been pointed out: worship of our God and serving the church. In addition there's the fruits of the spirit, the armor of God, knowledge of His Word. Then there's our prayer life, the fellowship with other brethren, our influence upon other people, like unbelievers. I'm sure I'm leaving out several of those facets, but that doesn't mean they're not there. God expects us to inspect our soul's condition and work on our weaknesses and share our strengths. We're supposed to grow and mature in our spiritual journey to our Father's Home in Heaven. We must see ourselves drawing closer and closer to our God as He will draw closer and closer to us. I do agree with you in one respect; we can't and shouldn't confuse these different aspects with each other. They're distinctive from one another yet most of them are very much co-dependent on one another. We should feel free to share our weaknesses and strengths with our closest brother or sister in Christ. This kind of bonding would enhance the growth of the church. It also enhances our chances of not sinning and actually making our goal of Heaven with God. Hope this helps to clarify and God bless. --Rowdy |
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115 | A man of God? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 121226 | ||
In answer to your question, I like to think we can be united but only with much prayer, discussion and a whole lot study of God's Word. As you know so well, there's a tremendous amount of diversity in this, our God's world and we all are naturally and humanly inclined toward our own way so we must see ourselves as seeing things God's Way. Now the toughest thing for us as His children is which things/topics in the Bible to agree on and which of those are left for us as options. That's the 100 billion dollar question or some other huge unimagineable sum. I'm glad we can agree on this topic and you did bring up some excellent additional points. God bless you, dear friend. --Rowdy |
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116 | A man of God? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 121253 | ||
I would have to let you be the expert on capitalization of key words throughout the Bible, as you've devoted a rather large amount of your time and effort to the subject. I'm afraid I'll just continue being a student and hopefully a man of God as best I can. Again, I rely heavily on God's Grace as most all of us do. For that I am so eternally grateful. But you do give one pause to think and consider. God bless you, dear friend. --Rowdy |
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117 | Only for the early Church? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 122260 | ||
How many witnesses certified this blind person to have been blind from birth? If you'll look carefully, you'll see a contrast between what Jesus refused to do and the failure of a miracle due to a lack of faith on the part of the recipient as is claimed by modern miracle workers. Please don't misunderstand. I'd be the last person in the world to deny that miracles are done. They're performed by God directly to the recipient as in the remission of cancer given up by doctors, etc. What I'm saying we must apply the same standard we see in our Bibles, thus the need for absolute proof. According to the Bible, there were two ways to get these powers: 1) directly from the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 and 10 and 2) laying on of the Apostles hands. So since we don't have anyone about 2000 years old, there's very little likelihood of human beings have such powers. But again, if there's anyone that supports such an idea, we at least should agree to use the Bible standard, correct? Again, we are going to "test the spirits" as commanded and do that testing with the only standard approved by God, correct? In my mind, there shouldn't be any disagreement, can there be?? God bless. --Rowdy |
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118 | Only for the early Church? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 122301 | ||
I'm not quite certain of the position you're taking with this post. Do you have someone or do you know for a fact of someone who can perform miracles as I've described? It's a fairly straight forward question and easy to answer. I do hope you're not advocating sherking our duty and the Lord's command to "test the spirits" so as to keep false teachers at bay. God bless. --Rowdy |
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119 | speaking in tongues | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 122302 | ||
If I may butt in, speaking in tongues is a rather difficult and complex subject which is another good reason to stick with the way our Bibles, God's Word handles this topic. Every single time, this ability is mentioned in the Bible, it is very clear that the message is from the Holy Spirit AND the message was clearly understood by the audience in spite of the speaker having never studied that language. As a matter of fact, Paul instructs the christians at Corinth thusly: 1 Cor 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 29Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. Do you or anyone else on the Forum know of anyone on this earth that speaks in such a tongue recognizable as a common language in some country? For that is the standard we see in the Bible and we MUST "test the spirits" as commanded to keep false teachers from wrecking havoc in the Lord's church. Hope this helps and God bless. --Rowdy |
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120 | speaking in tongues | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 122303 | ||
It's quite possible, speaking in tongues and other miraculous powers may have lasted throughout the lifetime of one who received the "laying on an Apostle's hands." But after the death of that last person, yes, we can be assured all miraculous powers as dispersed by humans ceased. I also think we can conclude as to why God didn't want this phase of Christianity to continue. In the books of 1 and 2 Corinthians, we see a tremendous amount of strife and jealosy, centered a lot around these miraculous powers. As long as there was a chance of some christians getting these powers and some others living their lives without them, there would continue to be this stressful and trying time. Our God and Father knows us so very well and He knew our human side would peek out in spite of these abilities. He really wants our faith to grow without this form of assistance from the Holy Spirit. Once again, I'm convinced the main purpose of these miraculous powers was to serve as a sign (an endorsement) from God that the Holy Spirit really was in favor of what these christians were saying and doing. Hope this helps and God bless. --Rowdy |
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