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201 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | Truthfinder | 71479 | ||
Part 2 First, it should be noted that the text itself shows that the Word was “with God,” hence could not be God, that is, be the Almighty God. (Note also Joh 1 vs 2, which would be unnecessary if Joh 1 vs 1 actually showed the Word to be God.) Additionally, the word for “god” (Gr., the·os') in its second occurrence in the verse is significantly without the definite article “the” (Gr., ho). Regarding this fact, Ernst Haenchen, in a commentary on the Gospel of John (chapters 1-6), stated: “[the·os'] and [ho the·os'] (‘god, divine’ and ‘the God’) were not the same thing in this period. . . . In fact, for the . . . Evangelist, only the Father was ‘God’ ([ho the·os']; cf. Joh 17:3); ‘the Son’ was subordinate to him (cf. Joh 14:28). But that is only hinted at in this passage because here the emphasis is on the proximity of the one to the other . . . . It was quite possible in Jewish and Christian monotheism to speak of divine beings that existed alongside and under God but were not identical with him. Phil 2:6-10 proves that. In that passage Paul depicts just such a divine being, who later became man in Jesus Christ . . . Thus, in both Philippians and John 1:1 it is not a matter of a dialectical relationship between two-in-one, but of a personal union of two entities.”—John 1, translated by R. W. Funk, 1984, pp. 109, 110. After giving as a translation of John 1:1c “and divine (of the category divinity) was the Word,” Haenchen goes on to state: “In this instance, the verb ‘was’ ([en]) simply expresses predication. And the predicate noun must accordingly be more carefully observed: [the·os'] is not the same thing as [ho the·os'] (‘divine’ is not the same thing as ‘God’).” (pp. 110, 111) Elaborating on this point, Philip B. Harner brought out that the grammatical construction in John 1:1 involves an anarthrous predicate, that is, a predicate noun without the definite article “the,” preceding the verb, which construction is primarily qualitative in meaning and indicates that “the logos has the nature of theos.” He further stated: “In John 1:1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate is so prominent that the noun [the·os'] cannot be regarded as definite.” (Journal of Biblical Literature, 1973, pp. 85, 87) Other translators, also recognizing that the Greek term has qualitative force and describes the nature of the Word, therefore render the phrase: “the Word was divine.”—AT; Sd; compare Mo --Insight on the Scriptures Truthfinder |
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202 | Which Church is the right one? | NT general Archive 1 | Truthfinder | 71477 | ||
Part 2: If the estimates of modern-day scientists as to the age of the physical universe are anywhere near correct, Jesus’ existence as a spirit creature began thousands of millions of years prior to the creation of the first human. As Micah 5:2 says: “And you, O Beth'le·hem Eph'ra·thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite. And this firstborn spirit Son was used by his Father in the creation of all other things. (John 1:3) All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence (Colossians 1:16,17) because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, And this would include the millions of other spirit sons of Jehovah God’s heavenly family (Daniel 7:9,10) “I kept on beholding until there were thrones placed and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white just like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire. 10 There was a stream of fire flowing and going out from before him. There were a thousand thousands that kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand that kept standing right before him. The Court took its seat, and there were books that were opened.” (Revelation 5:11) And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands,” as well as the physical universe and the creatures originally produced within it. Logically, it was to this firstborn Son that Jehovah said at Genesis 1:26: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.” All these other created things were not only created “through him” but also “for him,” as God’s Firstborn and the “heir of all things.” (Colossians 1:16) because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. (Hebrews 1:2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. Without Jesus Christ we are nothing! Jehovah God saw fit to make his firstborn Son the central, or key, figure in the outworking of all His purposes (read Joh 1:14-18; Col 1:18-20; 2:8, 9), the focal point on which the light of all prophecies would concentrate and from which their light would radiate (read 1Pe 1:10-12; Re 19:10; Joh 1:3-9), the solution to all the problems that Satan’s rebellion had raised (read Heb 2:5-9, 14, 15; 1Jo 3:8), and the foundation upon which God would build all future arrangements for the eternal good of His universal family in heaven and earth. (Read Eph 1:8-10; 2:20; 1Pe 2:4-8) Because of the vital role he thus plays in God’s purpose, Jesus could say, rightly and without exaggeration: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Joh 14:6. Truthfinder |
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203 | Which Church is the right one? | NT general Archive 1 | Truthfinder | 71476 | ||
Jesus, the Son of God. Hank, you asked in my theology, who is Jesus Christ. The name and title of the Son of God from the time of his anointing while on earth. The person who became known as Jesus Christ did not begin life here on earth. He himself spoke of his prehuman heavenly life. (John 3:13) Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man. (John 6:38,62) because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me. 62 What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before? (John 8:23,42,58) So he went on to say to them: “YOU are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. YOU are from this world; I am not from this world. 42 Jesus said to them: “If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth. 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” John 1:1, 2 gives the heavenly name of the one who became Jesus, saying: “In the beginning the Word [Gr., Lo'gos] was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god [“was divine,” AT -- The Complete Bible—An American Translation (1939; as printed in 1951), J. M. Powis Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed; Mo -- A New Translation of the Bible (1935; as printed in 1954), James Moffatt; or “of divine being,” Böhmer; Stage (both German)]. This one was in the beginning with God.” Since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning (Psalm 90:2) Before the mountains themselves were born, Or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God. (Revelation 15:3) And they are singing the song of Moses the slave of God and the song of the Lamb, saying: “Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty. Righteous and true are your ways, King of eternity. the Word’s being with God from “the beginning” must here refer to the beginning of Jehovah’s creative works. This is confirmed by other texts identifying Jesus as “the firstborn of all creation,” “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14) Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his firstborn Son. That Jehovah was truly the Father or Life-Giver to this firstborn Son and, hence, that this Son was actually a creature of God is evident from Jesus’ own statements. He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. (John 6:56,57) He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me. (continued) |
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204 | Which Church is the right one? | NT general Archive 1 | Truthfinder | 71411 | ||
Hi Hank, Allow me to apologize if I affended you, as your response seemed. It is interesting that L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: “The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there is utterly without foundation.” Was there any change from monotheism after Jesus came to the earth? Paine answers: “On this point there is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed, but not a new theology. And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one God.’” Those words are found at Deuteronomy 6:4. The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) here reads: “Listen, Israel: Yahweh our God is the one, the only Yahweh.” In the grammar of that verse, the word “one” has no plural modifiers to suggest that it means anything but one individual. The Christian apostle Paul did not indicate any change in the nature of God either, even after Jesus came to the earth. He wrote: “God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20; see also 1 Corinthians 8:4-6. Thousands of times throughout the Bible, God is spoken of as one person. When he speaks, it is as one undivided individual. The Bible could not be any clearer on this. As God states: “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory.” (Isaiah 42:8) “I am Yahweh your God . . . You shall have no gods except me.” —Exodus 20:2, 3, JB. Your understanding agrees with the following: "The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion -- the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three truly distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. --New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia. Truth finder |
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205 | Which Church is the right one? | NT general Archive 1 | Truthfinder | 71403 | ||
Emmaus: "You have made several interesting posts. At least one of your posts references a Watchtower publication. You have an affinity for the use of the title Jehovah and you have now attacked the Trinity which is the central doctrine of Christianity. Am I wrong in coming to the conclusion that you are a Witness of Jehovah?" Emmaus, Years ago I was a Jehovah's Witness, and still favor for the most part most what they teach. Since then I study numerous non-witness publications, mainly concerning the language Hebrew and the God of the Hebrews, Jehovah (God's name as opposed to a "title". Much of what I study, as it turns out supports the beliefs of the witnesses especially monotheism, and Bible translations. Yes, too I have made an in depth study of the Trinity doctrine about 5 years ago and if you (which I know you do and which is your choice)believe in the Trinity, thats fine, but as for me, I believe I am still a Christian even though I do not believe in the Trinity doctrine. Truthfinder |
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206 | description of "Lord" | Ex 3:15 | Truthfinder | 71360 | ||
Hi Rob, "LORD" in Hebrew is Adonai -pronounced Ah dow nah ee. Some scholars have suggested (although I disagree) that the vowel sounds in (Adonai)are the same as those in the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), and yes sounds are made by breathing, exhaling. We have no sure way of knowing what the vowel sounds originally were since Jewish tradition (3rd commandment) prevented vocalization of the Divine name, and later even writing it, thus substituting it with "Adonai" LORD. But we know for sure that originally God had his name in the Holy Scriptures, wanted it there and today many translations have restored it in their rightfull places even in the Greek portion. Truthfinder |
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207 | Is Jesus Gods son? | Matt 3:17 | Truthfinder | 71023 | ||
At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called ´El Gib·bohr', "Mighty God". When applying to Jehovah, ´Elo·him' is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. (Ge 1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: "That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in . . . [´Elo·him'] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [´Elo·him'] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God."-The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208. Also at John 1:1 Ha Logos "the Word" (Jesus) is referred to as "theos" and indeed Jesus deserves to be called "theos" (note there is no indifinite article in Greek) but in English we place "a" for a divine one in this case for a proper translation of the Greek. Note too that John did Not use Ha (the definite article when referencing the Word, thus making it clear that the Word was distinct from "ha theos" "the GOD", Jesus' Father and his God. Truthfinder |
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208 | lucifer | Is 14:12 | Truthfinder | 71021 | ||
Hi Emmaus, I bookmarked your reference site, found it very interesting. This is what I would add to the comments on Lucifer, as copied from "Insight on the Scriptures": A descriptive designation applied to the “king of Babylon.” (Isa 14:4, 12) The Hebrew expression thus translated (NW, Ro, Yg) comes from a root meaning “shine.” (Job 29:3) The rendering “Lucifer” (KJ, Da) is derived from the Latin Vulgate. The “shining one” is represented as saying in his heart: “Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting.” (Isa 14:13) Biblical evidence points to Mount Zion as the “mountain of meeting.” (See MOUNTAIN OF MEETING.) Hence, since stars can refer to kings (Nu 24:17; Re 22:16), “the stars of God” must be the kings of the Davidic line who ruled from Mount Zion. The “king of Babylon” (the dynasty of Babylonian kings), reflecting the attitude of Satan the god of this system of things, indicated his ambition to lift up his throne “above the stars of God” by desiring to make the kings of the line of David mere vassals and then finally to dethrone them. Like stars that shed light, the “king of Babylon” shone brightly in the ancient world and could be termed “shining one.” Satan filled the king of Babylon with the ambition to have complete domination over the earth, even over God’s throne (1Ch 29:23) and “the stars of God,” the kings of the line of David sitting on the throne at Mount Moriah (by extension, Zion). This “king,” that is, the dynasty of Babylon, ‘lifted himself up’ in his own heart and was in his own eyes and in the eyes of his admirers a “shining one,” a “son of the dawn.” (In some translations the Latin Vulgate term “Lucifer” is retained. It is, however, merely the translation of the Hebrew word heh·lel', “shining one.” Heh·lel' is not a name or a title but, rather, a term describing the boastful position taken by Babylon’s dynasty of kings of the line of Nebuchadnezzar.) (Isa 14:4-21) Since Babylon was a tool of Satan, its “king” reflected Satan’s own ambitious desire. Again, the Almighty God of heaven came to the salvation of his people by restoring them to their land, until the real Seed of promise, Jesus Christ, should come.—Ezr 1:1-6. Truthfinder |
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