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161 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 24512 | ||
Joe I will list below the exact text of the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church'. 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day 842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race: All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . . From the section entitled: "Outside the Church there is no salvation" . 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body. 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men." .......................................................... http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm ....................................................... Joe, When Paul converted the Gentiles to Christianity, the Church of Jerusalem insisted that these Gentiles worship according to Hebrew Tradition. Paul said no, only the belief in Christ, and all He taught, was needed for salvation. This caused a stir within the Churches. And, at the next council meeting of the Churches, it was debated and ultimately agreed by all (some grudgingly), that there would be cultural differences within the different Churches (Rome vs Jerusalem, etc)and the Apostles agreed upon usng, what is now known as 'The Apostles Creed' as the unifying Profession of Faith. As long as a Christian agreed with the twelve points within this Creed, he was living in communion with Christians from all other churches, throughout the world. And, basicly, any other practices beyond the beliefs of the creed, was unimportant. I took a short survey of this forum to see if anyone had any disagreements with the Apostles Creed - and basicly, I think the Christians on this forum, from many Churches were in agreement with it. So, since the Catholics are in communion with other Christian Churches, what difference does it make to you, if we think a Muslim has a chance at heaven - you and I aren't Muslims. And, the Gentiles can eat pork, if they want to. Brian |
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162 | Is this the 'Complete Christian'? | NT general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 24296 | ||
Johnny What are your thoughts on the 12 points -the original two questions Brian |
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163 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 24289 | ||
Hank This is a 'belief' of the Catholic Church. This belief guides us in our dealings with and acceptance of other religions - including those who do not have the benefit of the Gospel. Without the benefit of the Gospel, non-Christians do not have an understanding as to who Jesus is and cannot be expected to be judged in the same manner as a Christian. Although it's OT and different, an example could be Abraham or Moses. They were not Christians, because they did not have the benefit of the testimony of the Gospel, but there is little doubt that they are in heaven - because they pleased God. Their love and commitment was complete. In a sense, a person who has not been exposed to the Gospel, is living in a modern day - Old Testament environment. We can't be like the elder brother to the prodigal son, and get upset as to who else is allowed home. We accept that God has the right to offer salvation to these other people. However, this in no way condones or supports Christians who turn to alternative non-Christian religions or cults, to redefine their relationship with God. These people are turning away from the Word of God - the testimony of the Gospel. Hank, I posted a two-part question on the Profession of Faith. I would sincerely appreciate your comments. Brian |
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164 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 24282 | ||
Norrie I can tell you stories of a: Catholic Priest who molests children; Baptist Pastor who impregnated a 16 year old girl; Lutheran Minister who stole a car; an Apostle who betrayed Christ. Do you condemn all for the actions of one? With regard to the Catholic Churches position on Muslims. Just a few lines after your quote, is the following Catholic belief: 847: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. Anyone who has studied Islam, with an open heart, would recognize that this is a religion which seeks God with all their hearts. Do not confuse the criminals,who use the Islamic religion as a front for their crimes, as representative of Islam. They are nothing but criminals. A true Muslim seeks to find God, without the advantage of the Gospel. I believe a Muslim seeking God with all of his heart, is more pleasing to God - than a Christian who is complacent. Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him Brian |
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165 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 24255 | ||
Norrie Please reread this - the Catholic Church is not speaking for anyone, but herself. The Catholic Church is acknowledging that non-Catholic Christians can also be saved, Heaven is not limited to Catholics only. Brian |
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166 | Who is Jesus? | Matt 24:28 | Brian.g | 24245 | ||
Lisa "New Age" is a very broad, much encompassing classification. Basicly, the farther a "religion" goes from God, the closer it is to being a cult. Please clarify for me, what you meant when you said "(of which I am)", did you mean you embrace New Age beliefs. If so, can you give me some examples? Brian |
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167 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 24243 | ||
Norrie I would like to join Lisa with an answer to your question. But, first, I would like to refresh everyones memory that the definition of the word Catholic is 'universal'. Your quotes from the Catholic Catechism are taken from the section entitled "The Church and Non-Christians". The previous section to this is entitled "Who belongs to the Catholic Church?" or Universal Church of Christ (my words). 836 "All men are called to this catholic (universal) unity of the People of God.... And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God's grace to salvation." So you see, the Catholic (Universal) Church recognizes "others who believe in Christ". 838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist. Brian |
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168 | Who is Jesus? | Matt 24:28 | Brian.g | 23713 | ||
I agree, completely Brian |
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169 | Who is Jesus? | Matt 24:28 | Brian.g | 23710 | ||
Lisa I agree with Tim when he said a Christian group, who does not fully accept Christ is a cult. But, the key word here is Christian. I also believe inter-denominational groups who don't even require belief in God, who hold regular religious services (or get-togethers) - are also cults. Muslim, Jew, etc - are not cults. Brian |
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170 | Forgiveness of What? | Acts 13:38 | Brian.g | 23609 | ||
Sir Pent Throughout the New Testament, Jesus tells us that our sins can be forgiven and He teaches us how. In Acts 7, 22 and 26: we see this forgiveness in action. In Acts, we get a glimpse of the extreme cruelty, which Saul inflicted upon the Christians - this includes his participation in the death of Stephen, pulling men and women from their homes, with the purpose of putting them to death for their belief in Jesus. And yet, God gave Paul immediate and absolute forgiveness– with no permanent or lasting punishment. What other act, could another man do, which would be worse than what Saul did. We know God is capable of this immediate and complete forgiveness. The clarification point you brought up - child molester as a Boy Scout Leader, thief working in a bank, etc is now addressing a second question - what are the limitations of man. Man cannot see into another mans heart, as God can. As a result, man and society will weigh the risks - and will caution on the side of safety. If I could see into the heart of a murderer the way God saw Pauls heart, would I let that murderer spend time alone with my children - I would let Paul spend time alone with my children. But, I am only a man. Brian |
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171 | Purpose of the Bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | Brian.g | 23568 | ||
Nolan This is very helpful Thank you Brian |
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172 | So when did "evil" start? | Bible general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 23394 | ||
Lisa I'm not a Biblical scholar, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn. I'm told the door was closed on new writings being added on this simple basis: Understand the true purpose of the Bible and with that, what more (thoughts, words, beliefs, ideas and so on) could be said or gained that isn’t already in the Bible. I agree that it is wonderful to read every word about God, which you can get your hands on. And, there is nothing stopping you from doing this. But, do these words truly belong within the Bible. Do they add to helping the Bible accomplish its purpose? Maybe someone can help me locate this verse, I can't remember or locate it, in effect it said that there isn't enough room on earth to write down every important thing that Jesus did in His life, so the author was only documenting the significant events. The Bible, as a whole, is just that, it focuses on the significance - not every single detail of every single moment. We know Jesus ate every day, but to record every meal is less meaningful than to document The Last Supper. By the way, I've enjoyed reading your posts. Brian |
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173 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | Brian.g | 23262 | ||
Kalos I stand corrected. Thank you Brian |
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174 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | Brian.g | 23261 | ||
There I couldn't have said it better Brian |
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175 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | Brian.g | 23239 | ||
There What you call Christ's Law, is in fact, God's Law. As it states in Matthew 5:17, Jesus did not come to abolish or to rewrite God's Law. John gives the best single explanation as to the true meaning of this subject. John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. In Matthew 5:18-19, Jesus Himself reaffirms that He is not changing Gods Law. Matt 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. People reading Gods Law in the Old Testament have a feeling that God's Law is one of cruelty and harshness - they tend not to see God's compassion and love for man in His laws and in the application of His laws. Often, Gods words are taken out of context. An example of this is Deuteronomy 19:21 "Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. But, if you read Deuteronomy 19:17-20, you will understand God is talking about justice among men living on earth. The same justice God commands in Deuteronomy 16:18-20 Deut 16:18 "You shall appoint for yourself judges and officers in all your towns which the LORD your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment. 19 "You shall not distort justice; you shall not be partial, and you shall not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and perverts the words of the righteous. 20 "Justice, and only justice, you shall pursue, that you may live and possess the land which the LORD your God is giving you These words of justice in Deuteronomy is a single small example of God being a compassionate and just God - this is the truth and mercy which is what Jesus is trying to teach us. From this, we also begin to understand how to gain entry in heaven, by acting as a 'Christian'. I quote this because, Jesus is teaching the same (Christian behavior), which God had already taught us in the Old Testament. Brian |
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176 | Advise on contradictions found in bible | Ps 25:4 | Brian.g | 17664 | ||
Sir Pent Thanks for the clarification. Actually, I enjoyed it. Brian |
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177 | Please provide any commentary on Ps 84:5 | Ps 84:5 | Brian.g | 17604 | ||
Sorry for the previous entry, I selected the wrong question Brian |
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178 | Does Jesus deny His deity? | Mark 10:18 | Brian.g | 17178 | ||
Ray I don't believe that Peter is the main focus of this passage. My understanding is that the questions and discussion were all centered around Jesus. Maybe someone else can share their thoughts with us. Brian |
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179 | Does Jesus deny His deity? | Mark 10:18 | Brian.g | 17079 | ||
In Matthew 17:24, the question was asked to Peter specifically about Jesus paying the tax. . Matt 17:24 When they came to Capernaum, those who collected the two-drachma tax came to Peter and said, "Does your teacher not pay the two-drachma tax?" Jesus asked Peter if the sons of kings were required to pay the tax. To which Peter reponded no (Mathew 17:25-26). . Matt 17:25 He *said, "Yes." And when he came into the house, Jesus spoke to him first, saying, "What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth collect customs or poll-tax, from their sons or from strangers?" . Matt 17:26 When Peter said, "From strangers," Jesus said to him, "Then the sons are exempt. Jesus agreed to pay the tax only so as not to offend, implying that He felt he did not feel compelled to pay the tax since as the Son of a King, He was exempt. In addition, Jesus arranged to pay Peters tax. . Matt 17:27 "However, so that we do not offend them, go to the sea and throw in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for you and Me." Brian |
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180 | Is it a sin to play the lottery? | Bible general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 16751 | ||
Jim This forum is filled with a great number of good people who want sincere discussion. Please join that fellowship. We use wine. Brian |
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