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141 | Andrew please explain? | 1 John 1:9 | RAVEN | 37597 | ||
Hello Andrew, Let me see if I can understand your angle on baptism. You say that the only reason a person is baptised is because they are saved. Is this correct? So then you adhere to the belief that one is saved be "accepting Christ" and baptism is just for show, is this correct? Then lets look at this, If I ask you to cut my grass and rake my leaves for this twenty dollars, would you have the twenty before you cut and raked or after? I think you see where I am going with this. Lets analize Acts 2:38. It says "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins". So they were to "repent" (cut grass)first, then "be baptised" (rake leaves)second, for the "remission of sins" (twenty dollars). Can you not see that a person is not in a saved state until the act of baptism is completed? The idea that baptism shows something to the world is just plan wrong. Baptism is for God and thats it, the world doesn't care about baptism. You see it is necessary for you to leave out two verses that tie the necessity of baptism together with salvation to try and make your point, even though you have twisted the meaning of Acts 2:38. And those are Mark 16:15-16 and 1 Peter 3:21. Mark 16 15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes "and is" baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 1 Peter 3 21There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Its funny, the word "repent" isn't in Mark 16:16, but we all know that we have to. Yet in both scriptures Mk 16:16 and Acts 2:28 the word baptism is there bigger than life and the world still wants to ignore it. And in 1 Peter 3:21 it says "answer of a good conscience toward God" not to the world! I tell you with this kind of thinking, that one is saved before baptism a person hits himself going and coming because they insist on ignoring what the bible has said. And as far as the Lords Supper the bible teaches if you read on that the Apostles of Christ meet on the first day of the week to break bread not when they felt like it. Acts 20 Ministering at Troas 7 Now on the "first day of the week", when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Which corresponds to the first day of the week when Christ had risen from the tomb. Matthew 28 The Risen Christ (1) 1 Now after the Sabbath, as the "first day of the week" began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. However we being 21st century Christians should follow the examples of Jesus and His apostles and it says, Acts 2 42And they "continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine" and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. I hope that I have been able to encourage you to rethink your stance on baptism and on the Lord's Supper. It is important that we stay with what the scripture teaches or else we are worshiping in vain. Matthew 15 9And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."'[1] Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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142 | Andrew please explain? | 1 John 1:9 | RAVEN | 37423 | ||
Hello Andrew, I would like for you to clear something up for me. In your response to godschild 73 you wrote, "If you have not been born again then ask Christ to save you from you sins, be baptize and continue to live after the scriptures." Why did you say be baptized? It is my understanding from the rest of the forum that baptism is not needed. Even though I do not side with the rest of the forum for I believe that baptism is essential for salvation if done the right way and with the understanding of what the person is doing. I would appreciate it if you would tell me which side you are on since in your reply you mentioned baptism. Thanks, Raven |
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143 | why is Acts 2:44 not practiced today | Acts 2:44 | RAVEN | 37382 | ||
1 John 2 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Raven |
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144 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36969 | ||
Hello Steve, Here again is a prime example of not reading the entire measage of the Gospel. Picking and choosing that which we want to believe and throwing the the rest out. The bible also says this about faithful Abraham: Hebrews 11 (1) 8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. It says that by faith Abraham "OBEYED" And on in to the same book it says: Hebrews 11 The Faith of the Patriarchs (1) 17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18of whom it was said, "In Isaac your seed shall be called,"[1] 19concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense. And this passage says Abraham "OFFERED UP ISAAC" Both passages show a "work of faith" and thats the kind of works we need! Not of somthing we can boast about as in Eph. 2:8. We must obey from the heart! Romans 6 17But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you "obeyed from the heart" that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. Yes Abraham was faithful but not faithful to the point of doing nothing. This next set of scripture says that Abraham was "justified by works". Faith working together with works faith is made perfect. James 2 Faith Without Works Is Dead (1) 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your[1] works, and I will show you my faith by my[2] works. 19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! 20But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[3] 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."[4] And he was called the friend of God. 24You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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145 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36878 | ||
Ok lets look at the conversion of Saul. And see what he did and must have been told to do. Acts 9 6So he, trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?" Then the Lord said to him, "Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." 15But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. 16For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake." 17And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus,[2] who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized. 19So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus. Saul Preaches Christ 20 Immediately he preached the Christ[3] in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God. Now here we see that Saul(Paul) was baptised and went and preached the Christ. Another conversion was Lydia. The bible says, "The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul. 15And when she and her household were baptized" The scripture you quote is very similar but you are twisting it a bit by not reading it in context. It says: "30And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized." Notice Paul it says they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. He and his family had to be preached to first so they would understand Jesus. Then the next scripture says: "33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized" Now I might ask you the same question. Did Jesus make an inaccurate statment? Why did He say be baptized if it wasn't needed? I think you can see that one is no good without the other. In each of the above examples the word of God was preached resulting in baptism of the believer. It cannot be denied. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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146 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36850 | ||
continued.... Yes we must do all that the Lord has commanded including being baptised or as Jesus said we are worshiping Him in Vain! Matthew 15 9And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men And Jesus said, Mark 16 15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned And that is exactly what the Apostles did on the Day of Pentacost. They preached the Gospel to them and they said Acts 2 37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit 41Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them and later we read that the Lord is the one who adds to the church. Verse 47 "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." No matter how hard anyone trys to take baptism out of salvation you still can't do it. Baptism is the thorn in the side of denominationalism. It always has been and always will be. Jesus said John 15 18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Just as God set up Laws in the Old Testement to live by the New Testment is our Law and its the only Law. No wonder Jesus said Matthew 7 13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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147 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36849 | ||
continued... Yes we must do all that the Lord has commanded including being baptised or as Jesus said we are worshiping Him in Vain! Matthew 15 9And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men And Jesus said, Mark 16 15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned And that is exactly what the Apostles did on the Day of Pentacost. They preached the Gospel to them and they said Acts 2 37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit 41Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them and later we read that the Lord is the one who adds to the church. Verse 47 "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." No matter how hard anyone trys to take baptism out of salvation you still can't do it. Baptism is the thorn in the side of denominationalism. It always has been and always will be. Jesus said John 15 18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Just as God set up Laws in the Old Testement to live by the New Testment is our Law and its the only Law. No wonder Jesus said Matthew 7 13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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148 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36846 | ||
I sent the same message to Tim. Why does the majority of the religous world deny the scriptures concerning baptism? When it is so clear that a person would have to be blind not to see it and read it. The entire bible centers around mans obediance to the will of God. Obediance, does this word give you a sick feeling? Is it hard for a person of your status to humble himself to be obedient to the word of God? Lets look at examples in the Old Testament first of obediance to Gods will. Gen 6 we read that God was sorry that He ever made man and was going to destroy them. But Noah verse 8 found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Noah was commanded to build an ark that would hold his family food and the animals 7 clean and 2 unclean. But Noah was also commanded to use only Gopher wood. And we should thank God that he did or we might not be here today. And so you know the rest of the story. But the key word obediance is specefied in verses 6:22, 7:5, 7:9 and 7:16. Noah did as God commanded. Moveing on to Moses briefly, the construction of the tabernacle was extremly intricate. From Exodus 25-Exodus 31 the patteren for the tabernacle and priesthood was established. And God told Moses in verse 25:9 according to all that I show you, just so you make it. And from Ch. 35-39 the priesthood clothes and tabernacle funiture was made. And in Ch.39 it says concerning the construction of the tabernacle and all that was in them, ten times, Moses did according to all that the Lord had commanded him. Obediance to God is the only way to show our belief. And obediance is demanded of us. You say that we are given our salvation by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 Well I submit to you that God give Jericho to Joshua and and the people of Israel, but they still had to march around the city once for six days and seven times on the seventh. Obediance to God is what give them this victory. You remember the story of Naaman? He was commander of the army of the king of Syria. It says he was a great and honorable man and a mighty man of valor, but a leper. He went to see Elisha to be cleansed of the leprosy. He was told by a mesenger to go an wash in the river Jordan seven times. But wanting to have his way instead of Gods way, he wanted to substitute the rivers Abanah and Pharpar. He was furious because on the way to see Elisha he already had it figured out in his mind how he would make him well. He said, "Behold I thought". And then something was said to him by his servants, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do something great, would you not have done it?" So Naaman rethought his position, went and washed and was cleansed. We have to do as we are told when concerning the will of God. There can be no man made substitutions. Obediance to the will of God is the only way. By these few examples can you not see that we must do all that the Lord has commanded us. And it doesn't matter if it is only spoken one time. If it was not something that God did not want us to do or to know it wouldn't be in the bible. The sad thing about most denominational churches is according to their creed book one is saved by accepting or believing in Christ, nothing more, but to become a member of the their church they require baptism. Thus requiring more for one to become a member of their church than God requires of us to be saved! Its just not right! In Proverbs 14:12 we read: Proverbs 14 12There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. And if we look at the example of Nanab and Abihu we can see that only death can result in not doing as the Lord has commanded. Leviticus 10 2So fire went out from the LORD and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Also Moses who struck the rock instead of speak to it was told he would not enter the promised land. Numbers 20 12Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them to be continued...... Raven |
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149 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36845 | ||
Why does the majority of the religous world deny the scriptures concerning baptism? When it is so clear that a person would have to be blind not to see it and read it. The entire bible centers around mans obediance to the will of God. Obediance, does this word give you a sick feeling? Is it hard for a person of your status to humble himself to be obedient to the word of God? Lets look at examples in the Old Testament first of obediance to Gods will. Gen 6 we read that God was sorry that He ever made man and was going to destroy them. But Noah verse 8 found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Noah was commanded to build an ark that would hold his family food and the animals 7 clean and 2 unclean. But Noah was also commanded to use only Gopher wood. And we should thank God that he did or we might not be here today. And so you know the rest of the story. But the key word obediance is specefied in verses 6:22, 7:5, 7:9 and 7:16. Noah did as God commanded. Moveing on to Moses briefly, the construction of the tabernacle was extremly intricate. From Exodus 25-Exodus 31 the patteren for the tabernacle and priesthood was established. And God told Moses in verse 25:9 according to all that I show you, just so you make it. And from Ch. 35-39 the priesthood clothes and tabernacle funiture was made. And in Ch.39 it says concerning the construction of the tabernacle and all that was in them, ten times, Moses did according to all that the Lord had commanded him. Obediance to God is the only way to show our belief. And obediance is demanded of us. You say that we are given our salvation by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 Well I submit to you that God give Jericho to Joshua and and the people of Israel, but they still had to march around the city once for six days and seven times on the seventh. Obediance to God is what give them this victory. You remember the story of Naaman? He was commander of the army of the king of Syria. It says he was a great and honorable man and a mighty man of valor, but a leper. He went to see Elisha to be cleansed of the leprosy. He was told by a mesenger to go an wash in the river Jordan seven times. But wanting to have his way instead of Gods way, he wanted to substitute the rivers Abanah and Pharpar. He was furious because on the way to see Elisha he already had it figured out in his mind how he would make him well. He said, "Behold I thought". And then something was said to him by his servants, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do something great, would you not have done it?" So Naaman rethought his position, went and washed and was cleansed. We have to do as we are told when concerning the will of God. There can be no man made substitutions. Obediance to the will of God is the only way. By these few examples can you not see that we must do all that the Lord has commanded us. And it doesn't matter if it is only spoken one time. If it was not something that God did not want us to do or to know it wouldn't be in the bible. The sad thing about most denominational churches is according to their creed book one is saved by accepting or believing in Christ, nothing more, but to become a member of the their church they require baptism. Thus requiring more for one to become a member of their church than God requires of us to be saved! Its just not right! In Proverbs 14:12 we read: Proverbs 14 12There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. And if we look at the example of Nanab and Abihu we can see that only death can result in not doing as the Lord has commanded. Leviticus 10 2So fire went out from the LORD and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Also Moses who struck the rock instead of speak to it was told he would not enter the promised land. Numbers 20 12Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them to be continued.... Raven |
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150 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36681 | ||
Your welcome! If I can try and help you with another question please let me know. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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151 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36669 | ||
It is true that baptism without belief will not save. For why would a person be baptized if they believe not. Mark 16:16 says that he that does not believe will be condemed. It is not necessary to say "and not be baptized." And for death bed salvation, my answer would be that it is in Gods hands. But from the scripture we know that we must be baptized. Theres just no way around it. In Acts 8:35 when Philip was speaking to the eunuch it says "he preached Jesus to him" and when he understood and believed Philip baptized him. A person has a responsibility like the eunuch to find the truth and obey it before its to late. Please read the following scriptures. Mark 13 No One Knows the Day or Hour (6) 32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming--in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning-- 36lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!" Luke 17 The Coming of the Kingdom (3) 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21nor will they say, "See here!' or "See there!'[4] For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." 22Then He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23And they will say to you, "Look here!' or "Look there!'[5] Do not go after them or follow them. 24For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31"In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32Remember Lot's wife. 33Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."[6] 37And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together." (To clarify the two men in one bead is speaking of sick men in a sick bed. The Greek word used for bed in this context actualy means sick bead. Informations is from the Strongs Concordance.) Your life is a vapor. Make the most of it while you can. James 4 Do Not Boast About Tomorrow 13 Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will[1] go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit"; 14whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. 15Instead you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that." To sum it up theres only to things to ask about a person after they die to know if they are saved. 1. Did they obey the Gospel? 2. Did they live a Christian life? Hope this helps. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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152 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36638 | ||
Hello Cyclist, Yes, at this point Jesus was still alive on the cross, fully human and full diety. We cannot second guess what Jesus did in saving the thief on the cross beside him. For Jesus was able to look into the thiefs heart and see that he had repented for what he must have done to deserve being crucified plus would also have known that the thief believed Jesus was the Son of God and could save him if he wanted to. But this does not mean that only belief saves today. Jesus forgave many sins while He was ministering to the people. Matt 9:2, Lk 7:47-49 and Jn. 8:11 But the people needed signs to believe for they did not have the complete bible as we have today. Mark 16 20And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.[1] John 4:48 Then Jesus said to him, "Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe." John 20 That You May Believe 30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. But remember Jesus has comanded baptism. Matthew 28 19Go therefore[1] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Mark 16 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. We cannot second guess Jesus while He was with us on Earth. But now this is the way He has said for us to be saved. Remember John 14:15 And for the rest that had heard of John the Baptist and were baptised by him these still need to be re baptised into Christ. Acts 19 Paul at Ephesus Paul's Preaching Causes a Riot at Ephesus 1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism." 4Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Hope this has helped Raven |
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153 | Speaking in tongues...not saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36485 | ||
I am sorry to offend you with my question. But it seemed like the original question Nedra had was answered. You wrote: (I don't see any mention of tongues, or baptism for that matter, in these or any other verse in scripture.) and I wrote: (Also read 1 Cor chapter 13 and 14. Chapter 13 says that tongues will cease along with other miracles when that which is perfect comes.) But you were the one my friend that ask: (Did you really mean to say that in addition to faith in Christ, we must be baptized before our salvation is recieved?) And in replying to that I looked at your profile because I thought it would help me to better understand where your question to me was coming from. If you didn't want anybody to read it you shouldn't have put it on there. I will be glad to look at Galatians with you. Give me a little time to write you back. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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154 | Speaking in tongues...not saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36456 | ||
Dear John, I hope you won't mind that I read your profile. I would like to know where the bible says that babys are lost or defiled from birth? And not this one: Romans 3 22even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[1] who believe. For there is no difference; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, for even it says those who believe. And we know that babys can not believe for they do not understand. The whole scheme of redemption is based on a person coming to the undserstanding that they are a sinner and therefore submiting to God thru Repentance, Confession and Baptism. And if for example we use this to prove yours and Calvin's point then this verse would seem to say that Heaven is full of sinners. Mark 10 Jesus Blesses Little Children (1) 13 Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them. 14But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. 15Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it." You see children are not held accountable for anything untill they are accountable for their actions and understand. Which is another question, where does the bible mention sprinkling babies when their born? The word baptize means to emerse. Nowhere is there a scripture that confirms this act on babies. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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155 | Speaking in tongues...not saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36435 | ||
Yes I give you a scripture that says that and I believe it because it is in the bible. I am sorry that you do not. Perhaps you should also read Mark 16:16 and John 3:1-5. Also remember John 14:15. And before you write back and give me Ephesians 2:8 to read, I have already read it and I believe that also. It is by the grace of God that He sent His only Son to die for our sins. But faith alone does not save us,its conditional. If I told you that you have won a million dollars but you got to come to me to recieve it, you dont have it until you do and that is fact. You can't see it, you can't spend it and you can't benefit from it unless you do as I say. Have you not read James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! and James 2 Faith Without Works Is Dead (1) 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Perhaps this is whay Jesus said: Mark 7:7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' You can't dispute what the bible says no matter how hard you try. Picking and choosing certain scriptures to make a point. 2 Timothy 3 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. It says "ALL" scripture. But some want to take out and add want they want and you cant do that and expect to be saved! Revelation 22 A Warning 18 For[1] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[2] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[3] his part from the Book[4] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Each of us has to put aside our feelings and submit to the Father and do his will. Matt 7:21 And the way to the Father is thru Jesus Christ John 14:6 The bible warns us but we have to read it and accept it. Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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156 | Speaking in tongues...not saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36324 | ||
Hello Nedra, No! And ask this person to show you where speaking in tongues saves us. The bible says obediance to the Gospel and the culminating act of baptism saves us 1 Peter 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, I am sure she can not show such a scripture. Also read 1 Cor chapter 13 and 14. Chapter 13 says that tongues will cease along with other miracles when that which is perfect comes. That which is perfect is the bible. You see they needed signs and prophsey back then because they did not have the completed revelation of the bible. This is the only way God comunicates with us today is thru the bible. Not in a room with a bunch of people spitting out gibrish that nobody can understand. Read ch 14 also, this says that if the words which are spoken cannot be easily understood it profits no one and their just talking in the air. And verse 27-33 says that only 2 not more than 3 should speak in tongues and then only one at a time and even then there must be an interpreter or they are to keep silent. And theres not a single one of these people that claim they have the gift of tongues keeps this verse. They all start babeling at the same time and none of them knows what the other is saying, thus no one becomes edified like the bible says is the purpose and so they might as well just throw the bible out the door! Nobody today can speak in a different tongue. If they as they say have been touched by the Holy Spirit then why can they not speak in another language, one that we know about and not just baby talk. Because that is what speaking in a different tongue is. Read Acts 2, the Day of Pentacost. All the apostles were there and verse 5 says: "And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven" and 6-8 says: "6And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?" So, I think that if you read these scriptures for yourself that you will be able better to understand that what she claims is just not true. Look at it this way, if she can do what she says then the bible is a fake. If I can be of more assistance please write. Raven |
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157 | bible study of thessalonian chapter two | 1 Thessalonians | RAVEN | 36305 | ||
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158 | What is unity of the body? | NT general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 35725 | ||
First lets read the sections of scriptures: KNJV Ephesians 4 Walk in Unity One Church, Many Parts 1 I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, 2with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, 3endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you[1] all. This section of scripture which is taken from the letter written by Paul, is a plea for the Christians that were in Ephesus to be unified in the one body, which is the church. The following scriptures should back this up. Ephesians 1 22And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all. Ephesians 2:16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. Ephesians 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. |
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159 | The sinless sacrifice; He is holy | Heb 7:27 | RAVEN | 35701 | ||
I am not sure of the question you are asking but I will give you briefly what information I know about the two versions. The NKJV is derived from the 1611 authorized version. It was written to bridge the gap with the changes of the English language. I have a KNJV and from the preface it also seems that time was also spent reviewing some of the manuscripts of the Septuagint (Greek)of the Old Testament and the Latin Vulgate as well as manuscripts from the Dead Sea Caves. I know even less about the NASB because I do not own one though I would like to. The NASB has taken the research one step further in that besides reviewing all of the above resources it went back to the earliest recorded documents we have of the bible and retranslated them. These two versions and the 1611 KJV are by far the mosty acurate translations of the bible. As for the verse you ask about it says if you read in context: KNJV Hebrews 7 Greatness of the New Priest 20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21(for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: "The LORD has sworn And will not relent, "You are a priest forever[1] According to the order of Melchizedek"'),[2] 22by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant. 23Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. 26For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever. Verse 26 where it says "For such a High Priest was fitting for us," this is speaking of Jesus and thus it should be capitalized. This is my opinion though. And since the NASB doesn't capitalize it then I guess they know something I don't. But it really doesn't matter because the context of the scripture is not changed. Now for the other scripture you cited, verse 27 reads "who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins". Again if you read this in context you can see that this is speaking about Jesus. If you are questioning if this is saying Jesus sinned then you are not clear on the understanding of the scripture. This verse is saying unlike the priest of old who had sins and had to cleanes themselves first before they could offer up sacrifice for the rest, Christ had NO sin for it says: Hebrews 4 15For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. If I have taken your question the wrong way please reply so that maybe I can give you a better answer. Raven |
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160 | What does this verse mean?Mark 16:16 | Not Specified | RAVEN | 35515 | ||
What does this verse mean? Mark 16 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And what does baptized really mean. |
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