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101 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147525 | ||
Steve: "nothing more was required" -- Jesus forgave the adulteress woman - yes - Humm - did Jesus not also say "go and sin no more".. Is this not something God "required". 1 John 5:2 and 1 John 2:6 and Math. 19:17 I guess these verse mean something other than a "requirement" by God to obey His commandments. Repenting is one thing but the evidence of a repentant heart is to "do" what God "requires". Very plain and clear !!!! BUT DONE IN LOVE !!!!! NOT LEGALISM !!!! Law cannot "save" only Jesus's blood saves. Keeping law shows our "love for God" and not love for the flesh. Yes, I think being a vegetarian is a good idea - considering what I have leanned from scripture !! Does not mean we cannot eat clean meat but God is pretty clear how these clean animals were to be killed and free from blood. Not many of us raise our own animals to be able to ensure they are killed and clean properly. Most Christians do not even understand the reason to why God did not want us to eat blood - cause blood was used to atone for sins !!! Blood represented life !!! Yes you are right no specific laws stated to sacrifice for sins. Also no specific law stated to keep law prior to exit from Egypt. But did every conversation get recorded in the OT. No. But God clearly without refute created a 7th day, rested on it, and sanctified it. Abel shed blood through the little lamb - Cain did not. Only through shedding of blood is the remission of sin. Again the actual blood of the lamb di not atone for Abel's sins but the faith that His son was coming to fulfill the shadow of that little lamb was what made Abel righteous. Do you think they were sheeding lambs blood cause God liked the sight of killing innocent lambs and seeing there blood flow over the alter. Silence does not justify - avoiding the obvious. No command given to worship or keep a "new"day but the majority insist the "new" day of worship and rest is the 1st day. You cannot assume Peter ate unclean meat. He did not do it when God specifically commanded him do to so. Why would he be eating it with Gentiles if he would not even do it when God commanded him to eat it in the vision. Logic !! Merv |
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102 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147524 | ||
Steve: Funny that Jesus said "Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath" - I guess that Jesus who was Perfect made a mistake and should have used "Jew" or "People of Israel". He clealy used MAN because it has been and will be for ALL mankind. I think your arguement that although the Sabbath was created in to beginning "prior to sin" and "God blessed and santified it" (Gen:2:3) - Yes it makes plenty of sense to assume that for 2000 years it was sanctified by God but no one kept the day as God intended to be a blessed rest for his created man. Makes also great senses that God/Jesus whom rested on the Sabbath after He created it in Genesis, but when Jesus walked the world 4000 years later and kept the Sabbath "as His custom was" is somehow not showing a consistent God in who we believe. Can you explain - why God would require Moses to test the people of His law of the Sabbath after coming out of Egypt. Quick note: His law was not written until Sinai ???? Just like Gen:26:5 I guess the use of the different words like commandments, statues, and laws all do not refer to anything else but God telling Abraham to do something - like the things you stated. But wait It says in vs. 5 Abraham obeyed "My voice" and kept My charge, My statues, My commandments, and My laws. Remember sin is clealy defined as "transgression of the law". Cain (Gen. 4:6) - "sin lies at the door" --- Humm could it be possible Cain was thinking to kill His brother - which he did in vs.8. But Rom. 3:20 - says "for by the law is the knowledge of sin" ---- Cain knew about killing because it was a "law" -- The same laws God revealed to man prior to Sinai but the 10 comm. given at Sinai were to an entire nation not individuals prior to that. You have not explained why God was angry for them eating swine's flesh but now He is not !! Please repeat it !!! God did not cleanse unclean meat in the NT. Sorry not there. Maybe check the OT. Sorry, but we must have some humor !!!! You said "a law mandatory for Jews only" Well if we look specifically at the Sabbath - you statement is absolutely wrong according to Is. 56:4-5. Unfortunately, many "gentiles" were allowed to keep the Sabbath and recieve all the blessing that came with it. Unfortunately, most non-Jews had no belief in God and God made it plain a clear fo the Jews to keep away from unGodly people. Just like the principle of "leaven" --- a small potion of sin will corupt the whole amount of bread. But if the Non-Jews did recognize God and believe then they were required to show obedience just like the Jew. Explain - how laws only for Jews again ??? In love and respect, Merv |
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103 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147518 | ||
Tim: No Tim ! Eary Church - meaning Roman Catholic Church - persecuted and killed 1000's of unconforming Christians. The Dark ages !!! They would not even allow people to have a copy of the Bible to judge the Truth for themselves. Now you mean early Church - the disciples and there "early" spreading to the Gentiles. Yes of course they were persecuted by Rome until Rome converted to Christianity. But there conversion was not to The Gospel that Jesus preached but was a conversion from paganism to paganized Christianity. Along with the this conversion was many, many , many pagan doctines into "so called" Chritianity" - Example Immortality of the Soul, Hell being "everlasting", Prophecy (expansion of 70 weeks of years to include a "gap" between 69th and 70th week) and the Sabbath. Sabbath is recognized worldwide as Saturday (7th) Changed by RCC even though the practise started soon after Jesus death. But Jesus predicted that false Christ's and teaching would arise soon after His death and the disciples were to be aware. Sabbaths - If you look at Lev. 22:32 - the same days called feasts are also called sabbaths. Remebers also that I beleive most times when the Bible refers to feasts and sabbaths being the same - they "sabbath" is not capitalized. But when referring to 7th day "Sabbath" it is capitalized. Another example is look at Lev. 23:3 and Lev. 25:2 - in comparion to the use of sabbath/Sabbath !!! Do not believe also that all sabbaths were also feasts. Look at Lev 23:26-32 - It was not a feast day but only a "extra" sabbath day !!! Now Tim - remember - the death of Christ relaced the ceremonial system - these feasts and sabbaths were a shaddow of the coming Christ. That is why WE do not keep these feasts now or sacrifice animals. We keep the Sabbath because it was institued in the the creation and that 7th day was made holy by God. No other day was made holy by God. Nowhere in any scripture is there any evidence that God made anyother day of the week Holy. It was Holy - Sanctified - "set-apart" so we would be able to not do any regular work and therefore use that time to worship God "convocation - gathering" and also do "good" as Jesus rubuked the Pharisees for not seeing His goods works on the Sabbath. Thanks Merv |
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104 | Scripture reference? | Rom 6:14 | swerv | 147516 | ||
Hey Tim: I appreciate your comments !! Hopefully we are both gaining from these discussions ans even if we do not change our positions on certain doctrines it will challege us to be more equipped to answers these tough questions. Ok Rom. 9. Now clearly the Jews kept the law and even made it more burdensome. But the question is "I think" - which Rom. 9. posses is do we attain righteousness by law or faith. Clearly it is by faith. I do not think I am saying anything opposite to the scripture. Remember Tim that God not only expected them to keep the "law" (10 commandments) but when they did sin they needed to perform the requirement of sacrifices to atone for there sins. This was done daily by individuals and yearly by the priest. So there sins were always present in there mind. The problem that occured is that they kept the "tried" to keep the law (10 comm.) but always failed. They failed in this promise to God because we as man cannot keep the law. Only through God's power (Holy Spirit) can man keep the law just as Christ kept the law for our example and to perfect the sacrifice for sins. They killed a Perfect Man (Jesus) although He did not deserve death but there was no sin in Him to cause a penalty of "death". Death is only required because we "man" is sinful. Almost all Jews rejected Jesus as the promised Saviour (Perfect Lamb Sacrifice for our sins)(which we both agree). This rejection fullfilled the 490 year probationary period for the Jews (Daniel 70 weeks of years prophecy). Thus the gospel went out to the gentiles and Jersalem was destryed in 70 AD. We are now all Spiritual Jews of a circumcised heart. Ok Tim - now the Jews did the sacrificial system to yes atone for their sins but lost faith in understanding that a Savior was coming to save them from there sins and give them the strength to overcome sin. This lost faith in understanding God was sending His son to replace the sacrificial system was evidence in the Jews not recognizing Jesus as the Saviour but instead were looking for a Messiah to save them from perscution. There faith went from doing the law (ceremonial) of sacrifices to reflect a coming Saviour to doing the sacrifices in actually thinking they could be righteous before God for doing them. That is why so many times God says he disliked there sacrifices and feasts - even though He was the one who commanded Moses to put these in place to atone for there sins. There faith had shifted to believing the law could save them instead of believing that those sacrifices was to give them faith (shaddow) that a coming Saviour would take away the sacifices because He was the Perfect Sacrifice. Now if God only required "faith" in this coming Saviour - THEN WHY REQUIRE THEM TO SACRIFICE ?? Just like Rom.16:26 and Rom. 1:5 says that there is obedience of Faith. Heb. 11:7 - by faith Abraham offered up his son. Faith always results in action to reflect our faith. Col. 2:14 and Eph. 2:15 - are speaking of the sacrificial system being abolished by Jesus at the cross. These laws were nailed to the cross. To keep sacrificing made His work on the cross of none effect. But the Jews had lost faith that a "replacement" for there sacrifices was coming so they did believe in Christ because He taught things against the Pharisees burdensome law. They mad it burdemsome because they had to do it to be saved. But scriptures clearly teach that blood of bulls and lambs CANNOT take away sin. But they had "righteousness of law" instead of "righteousness of faith". But the key point is when they did do theses sacrifices - what did it represent in there heart. There heart was with saving them through the law instead of reminding them that they would be saved through Jesus's blood. So just as Paul teaches: We do not destroy the law "GOD FORBID". Math. 5:17-18 -- God's 10 comm. and other statues (like diet and healthy living) are what God expects us to obey out of love - just as Abraham reflected his faith a love for God in obeying God's command to sacrifice his son. 1 John 2:6 clearly tells us what is sin - and Jesus in John 15:10 clearly is our example of a sinless life (keeping His father's comm.) In love and respect, Merv |
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105 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147414 | ||
Ed: Lev. 23:3 which you quote "holy convocation" - means to gather together. Just like Jesus and Paul did as their custom was !!! Yes, Jews fell away from the intention of the Sabbath which was made by God as part of the perfect creation process "prior" to sin entering the world. The Sabbath was perfect in its creation because it was to give 24 hours of time out the week for the people to go about worshiping God and not worry about their daily routine. Clearly you would agree that man cannot worship God if the day is filled with "work" to support oneself and family as God commands. 6 days you "shall" work. Meaning God fully expects use to live for Him every day - while we work and do routine activities - but on the Sabbath since we are commanded to do not work WE ALL then have the time to gather together to worship without the pressures of job schedule and routine schedule. This has got to be clearly seen to understand the purpose of not working. Now being said the Sabbath was made for man (not just Jew)NOT man for the Sabbath. It was made for a blessing of rest, worship and an opportunity to "do good on the Sabbath" as Jesus said to the Pharisees. Sabbath was made from the beginning. I personally believe Abraham was keeping the Sabbath - although we have no direct statement of evidence in the scripture. But we do have Gen. 26:5. Can you tell me what commandments Abraham was keeping. Remember it does not say what they are. But certainly said he kept commandments. Whe it said Jesus "fulfilled the law" - this means he kept the law. Since we did not keep the law (or sinned) then the only atonement possible is for Jesus to live a perfect sinless life but still be put to death - although He did not deserve it like we do. Since He did die He took out place. Just as John 15:10 says - Jesus did not sin -- Why -- because He kept His father's commandments. This is fulfilling the law. Saying We as Man no longer need rest is like saying the principle of not resting the fields every 7th year should not still be followed. We need rest every week from our regular activites. God gave it as a blessing !!!! Heb. 4 clearly says "There remains a Sabbath rest". Clearly you do not understand "work" the priests in the OT had to work in the service. Jesus performed miracles on the Sabbath and called it doing "good". Doing God's work on the Sabbath is not work but loving God. You can go to any pastor out there and they will say WE as Christians must keep a day of rest. Unfortunately it is the 1st day they consider the Sabbath. Look forward to your reply ! Merv |
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106 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147413 | ||
Yes Brad: I appreciate loving your brother attitude as Jesus commands. But the important question is what does Jesus expect of us as life reflecting Hid life. Jesus was sinless which is our obligation out of love for what Christ has given to us through His shed blood. To stive for anything less would be making a foll out of Jesus if His death would still allow us to live in sin. God's laws are "clearly" said to be put on our hearts in the new covenant. Clearly we must each stive to understand what God's laws are in accordance to the new covenant. To just say we live by freedom and liberty is making a mochery of God's law which were meant to keep us close to Him in relationship to love. In love, Merv |
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107 | "not under legalism but under grace" | Rom 6:14 | swerv | 147260 | ||
Yes: Works and law do not save us or justify us. Only the blood of Jesus did atone for past sins. But we are to live as Christ and Jesus "kept His father's commandments" We are instructed to "if we love Him keep His commandments" We keep the law out of love !! But we still keep them and are required to keep them. It is the evidence of a changed life. God said we will be known by our fruits. These fruits come fromthe basic law of God - to love Him and love our neighbor as we love Him. These laws were written in our heart as part of the new covenant. Justified means to be without blemish or sin. That is true once we repent - the challenge to us then is to "go and sin no more" as Jesus told the adulteress woman. Jesus said "anyone who says they love me (repent and confess) but do not keep my commandments is a liar" Cannot claim love for God and not obey. They go hand in hand. Bible says faith without works is dead. Merv |
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108 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147244 | ||
Yes - early Church also persecuted and killed thousands who did not conform to their beliefs. Kept the Bible hidden so not until 1300 years later the people began to see the error in doctrine. But nowhere in any of the 3-4 1st day references is the word worship mentioned. Paul had a meeting where he preached. He was going away for a long time. The passgae is mentioned due to the man being healed from falling out the window not because to show the Sabbath was now on the 1st day. Jesus and Paul custom was to go to the synogogue on the Sabbath. How coem people want to hold to 1st day references but not to the Sabbath references. Oh ya - the reason is - they call what Paul and Jesus did was keeping the OT law. Humm - but Jesus clearly said the NT covenant would have the laws written on the heart. What exactly were those laws. I guess it was 9 of 10 commandments which makes logical sense considering that the Sabbath was actually instituted prior to sin entering the world. Therefore it was apart of God's perfect creation. Ok it makes sense that the only commandment "changed by a supposedly unchanging God" was the Sabbath. Does this really make sense given the history of corruption of the early Church in how they paganized Christianity. Two years ago I would have held you position but I feel scripture and the leading of the Holy Spirit has shown me the clear truth and the error of traditional doctrine. P.S. - Rom. 14 - does not refer to Sabbath but "holy feast days - which are also called sabbaths" This is the same for Col. 2:16. These feast days (sabbaths) all pointed to Christs ultimate sacrifice as Perfect Lamb and to do aways with sacrifical system. Feasts (sabbaths) were a shaddow just like sacrificial systems was a shaddow of Christ. See Lev. 23:37-38 - to show difference between Sabbath (7th day Sabbath) and the added feasts). Sabbath (7th day) could not be a shaddow - it was created prior to man's sin ??? In love, Merv In love, Merv |
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109 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147243 | ||
Hey Doc: You seem to maybe be offended for me not recognizing your arguement. I am here on this forum to discuss scripture and here views on scripture. If I hold strong views I think you must respect my passion and love for God to know Him better and learn His truths. I do not agree that there are three different answers to the 4th commandment of God. 1) Everyday can be a Sabbath 2) the 1st day is now the Sabbath 3) the 7th day is the Sabbath. I just want clear answers to my questions. Giving examples of things the disciples did on a certain does not provide evidence of a new Sabbath unless you can show me within those scriptures a command to recognize a new Sabbath day. Using these scriptures is a similar arguement used when people use Acts 10 - 11 to show all meats are now clean - even though in Is. 65:4 clearly states eating swine's flesh makes God angry. Is. 56 clearly shows that not ONLY Jews kept the Sabbath. Humm - there goes the arguement that only Jews were required to keep the Sabbath. I am sorry but to use examples of 1st day meetings is no evidence whatsoever of God changing His mind on what day He made Holy and sanctified as a day of rest which gives us the opportunity to worship Him, and do "good" - just as Jesus did in the NT even though confronted by the Pharisees. Also, Jesus and Paul clearly show us the real Sabbath was the one they kept as their "custom" was. Look forward to more discussion, In the love and truth of Christ, Merv |
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110 | Are Jesus' Two Commandments Easy? | Matt 22:40 | swerv | 147242 | ||
Hello: From your note - do you agree we are still rquires by God to keep the "law". Which would include the diet of God. For example: We should not eat pork !! Is. 65:4 I grew up eating everything but now recognize that was contrary to God's law. But I also recognize that God sees a unknown sin different than a known sin. ??? Merv |
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111 | "not under legalism but under grace" | Rom 6:14 | swerv | 147241 | ||
Yes, but righteous is given based on forgiveness, repentance, faith in God and finally proof of faith which is obedeience. The Holy Spirit will give us the wisdom and power to overcome temptation and not sin. Obedience proves our love for God and loyalty to God not the devil. God's grace amd mercy have been present from the moment sin entered the world. In love, Merv |
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112 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147239 | ||
Brad: Looking at your profile - we have similarities. Although not married and no kids - I was raised Methodist/Baptist. Attended Methodist college but fell away from God after college. In recognizing I was lost I searched for truth and challenged my doctrinal beliefs which came as a result of my upbringing. Had contact with Oneness Pentecostal - which helped me more understand the Trinity and "tongues". But currently the closest denomination that I have seen the Biblical Truth that I was searching for is the 7th Day Adventists. I have always grouped them in with Mormons and Jehovah Witness - as I was taught. But had never know there doctrine until I was challenged by a co-worker to justify why we keep the 1sy day as the Sabbath. Anyway I look business/accounting in school so my mind need logical scriptural proof to support doctrine. Hope we can journey together to recognize truth. In love, Merv |
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113 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147238 | ||
Ok Brad: Thanks for your honesty !! Look at Math. 15 and Mark 7 (paralell passgaes) and Acts 10 - 11. Determine if you think that from these texts that Jesus/God has cleansed all meat. Remembering that God clearly established in Lev. 11 what animals were unclean (example pig). You can also look at Is. 65:4 to see waht angers God !!!! Also look at Daniel 1 to see why Daniel did not want to defile his body. You would agree that in the NT we are are told our bodies are the "temple of God". If God required only "clean" animal sacrifices in OT would it make logical sense in the NT that God would change what He designated to be unclean to now be clean. Is there any ripture in the NT where we see either Jesus or one of His disciples eating a unclean piece of meat ??? This same principle of arguement used for holding we are still required to be obedient to God's diet, can be used to show we are still to recognize God's Sabbath. Remember we are to follow God and not man. Look forward to what your conclusion is !! Merv |
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114 | In what way is it clear? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147018 | ||
Hi Tim: Yes punctuation was added by translators. A quick aside: When Jesus was on the cross and give assurance to the repentent sinner that he would have eternity with Him, the punctuation (,) is added in wrong place to give people the impression that "that very day" they would be together in Paradise. But this is a improper interpretation because clearly Jesus told Mary that He had yet ascended to His Father. If the comma is changed then we see that Jesus meant that "today" I give you assurance that the sinner would be with Him in Paradise. But just like all the rest of mankind that are dead and "returned to dust" - we will all be resurected together when Christ comes. Immortality does not come until that day. I grew up believing in the immortality of the soul but it based on tradition and not scripture. Sorry to go off track but this will be another subject for discussion. Now yes, prince is used twice but clearly both uses are distinguished but "Messiah the Prince" and the "people of the prince" who would destroy Jerusalem. One is Christ and one is teh devil leading the Roman Empire to destroy the Jews and Jerusalem. Well Tim I respect your view but would have to disagree !! Clearly, there is only one week left in Daniel's 70 week prophecy. The only week discussed refers to one who would confirm a covenant of one week. Then in the middle (3.5 years) bring an end to the sacrificial system. There are 3.5 years left after Christ's death in which the disciples stayed in Jerusalem to witness to the Jews only juts as Jesus had instructed them to do. Thus fulfilling the final week of the 70 week probation period for the Jews to repent to God. Thus the majority of Jews rejected Jesus and the Gospel - then the final destruction of Jerusalem came in 70 AD. But note that once Stephen wad martyred 3.5 years after Christ died this was then beginning of the Gospel to go to the Gentiles. Thus the 70 year period was over for the Jews. Remember that this futurist theory ((pushing the final week (tribulation period) out 2000 plus years) was a result of the Protestant reformation and the Catholic Church wanting to decieve the world into believing the antichrist was not yet come. This clearly disagrees with Jesus's own teaching that there were already "antichrist's" in the shaddows awaiting to corrupt the Gospel. The gap theory is CLEARLY wrong and not logical. 69 weeks happened literally - why do we have a 2000 plus year interuption when NOWHERE in Daniel 9 it tells us this. Why !!! This is added to deceive people away from seeing that the antichrist system was indeed the Roman empire and then followed by the Catholic Church. This is then followed by the Protestant reformation which is the "image of the beast" - Although the protestants have reformed in many areas they still uphold to many paganistic doctines like the Sabbath - which is a clear violation of God's Law. But unfortunately people do not see this because "status qo" is comfortable. Now Tim I do not think for an instance that all people are going to hell which many say as a defense to make 7th day adventists to seem judgemental. I believe "light will be given to all" to make a decision. Remember the devil is in the business to make God out to be unjust. How could a just and loving God uphold a single day to be so important. What is the big deal with a day. But what if we had the same attitude to sexual preference in patners. The whole Christian community would not tolerate it. Well Tim - I look forward to your thoughts !! Merv |
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115 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147013 | ||
Hey Brad: Do you believe in following the unclean/clean meat diet of God ? Merv |
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116 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146816 | ||
Doc: Where is the one singl verse in the NT that commands that the Church worship on the 1st day of the week. If it is not int he scripture then it is based on tradition of man which the Bible clearly teaches against !!!! Merv |
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117 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146412 | ||
Searcher: True - only sacrificial laws repleced by Christ. 1 John 2:4 is pretty clear we have laws to follow. Was the Sabbath changed by Christ or by false doctrine. Remember the Sabbath (7th day) was created before the fall of man into sin. Therefore the Sabbath was created apart of the perfect plan of God. The Roman Catholic Church takes pride in making this change. Protestants (which I grew up as) take pride in saying there is scriptural evidence of a change in the NT. Daniel 7:25 says the persecuting power will want to "change times and laws" In love, Merv |
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118 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146411 | ||
Mark: Yes circumcision was a very hot topic and so was idol worship. Please just give me the best verse for why we can eat anything and the verse that says we are to worship on Sunday !!! Thanks, Merv |
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119 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146410 | ||
Doc: Ok - you make some good conclusions. I think we are to follow all and every law unless specifically addressed by God as being changed or done away with. The Sabbath has not been changed or done away with. Diet has not been changed or done aways with. All laws have a purpose and possibly arguement can be made for specific culture parallels. 1 John 3:31 Law is what God uses to judge our love for Him. What a greater test than laws that not only bless us but contribute to our well being !! Merv |
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120 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146407 | ||
Mark: Jerusalem council only dealt with the controversial issues of gentiles coming out of idol worship and their dietary customs. Malachi 3:6 He gave us law to point out our sin. 1 John 2:4, Rom. 7:12, 14 Through Christ we can do all things. God expects us to be obedient out of love. In the OT even the sacrifices could not take away their sins. Actually, once a year they were again reminded of there sins for the whole year. They could not forget their sin because the Saviour had not yet come and died. But their faith in God and obedience to atone for their sin with symbolic sacrifices pointed them to Christ. I do not think anyone with the right heart could slay a little lamb and not feel the pain of their sins which was put onto the lamb. Jesus's shed blood took away forever the guilt of sin as long as we repent of it. After repenting the Holy Spirit will give us the power to sin no more. But we still need to guide (law) to keep us from slipping off the path to God. Noah found grace in the eyes of God but if he was not obedient to build the ark - would he still have been saved by God ??????? Faith requires action (Faith without works is dead !!) We as a Christian community have been beaten down with false doctrine. (Sabbath, diet, prophecy, hell ..) I challege you !!! (Math. 15:3) |
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