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1 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 81045 | ||
I guess this is something they felt that Jesus would not discuss. sadfully yours, John P.S. my father's name is also John. - Thanks. |
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2 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 81037 | ||
Thanks for your kind words and prayers. I'm glad there are actually some "sane" people on this forum. As far as my dad goes, I have put it into God's hands and really don't let it get too me (much). I know that God's in control and no matter what we do, think, act, say, etc.. God's Will will triumph. - John Green |
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3 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 81034 | ||
J. I assume this was meant for "Searcher". I'm on your side here. My comment that you will probably be banned was meant as a joke. You are absolutely correct when you said that there are too many legalistic (factual) people that have to tear apart everything you say - even when you were talking (writing) to me about my father. I think a lot of people (myself included at times) forget about Jesus' love and look to the bible as our God. I'm sorry to say (actually I'm glad) that the bible is not God. It's merely a tool used to help us learn about who God really is. Like any tool, it can be abused to the point where it loses it's functionality. --John Green |
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4 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 81023 | ||
No. He's not a Catholic. He was raised Baptist as a child - but I don't really know how often he attend church back then. He doesn't like to talk about it - now and before he had cancer. He claims to have his own God - one that allows getting drunk and watching porn. | ||||||
5 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 81022 | ||
You'll probably be banned from this forum :) |
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6 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 80940 | ||
Thanks! I may just have to print that out and hang it on my wall. | ||||||
7 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 80933 | ||
I'm sorry to hear about your mother's passing. I'm going thru a somewhat similar problem now. My father has only a few weeks left (cancer) and thinks he is going to heaven because he went to church when he was a kid. He doesn't want anything to do with church now and does not want to talk about it. I even bought him the two Left Behind movies hoping that would spark something but he refuses to watch them. He thinks he's made his peace with God because he allowed a chruch chaplin to pray for him. I've been asked not to talk about it with him anymore. All I can do is leave it in God's hands and pray that He reaches him somehow before it's too late. Jesus did say that many will call his name but only few will be let in. I believe this to be all the "Christians" out there, like my dad, that feel that they are "saved" because they used to attend church, or their family is saved so I must be also, or say that I attend church every week so I must be saved - but the rest of the week, they forget all about Jesus. I think these people really believe they are saved but may find out otherwise when they stand before God. I think a lot of this could be prevented if all the churches had the guts to preach the full gospel - at least once in a while. (I'm not saying that they should preach fire and brimstone sermons but more explain what Jesus's death and resurrection meant for us today, how we need God's love and guidance, and how we need to live that life in today's world.) |
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8 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 80904 | ||
I believe you're in category (b) because you choose to accept God's gift of salvation and not because God implanted in you the idea that that's the only choice you have. Why must you diminish God's free gift to all by spouting that His gift is only for the few Elect and that other people are destined to Hell and have no chance of salvation? Why can't you see that when they talk about the Elect in the Bible, they are referring to Belivers? Why can't you see that the predestination mentioned is that, thru Jesus, all people will have access to the Kingdom of God? I assume you too have read thru the bible many times (specifically the NT) looking at what the bible is actually saying and basing your interpretations on that and not on what you've been taught by others. And when doing so, you've been brave enough to question beliefs that may differ from what you've previously thought and investigate those differences until you find a solution that incorporates the bible as a whole - posibly even changing your views. If so, then maybe God has a reason for both of us to have differing viewpoints because I have done so and still find the Elect theory to be very flawed. Maybe my eyes are just closed for some reason but until God shows me where my interpretations are wrong, I have to stick with what He's shown me so far. I wish we could actually get together sometime and sitdown for a day or 10 and pray and study the scripture together. I think we would both come out enlightened. Your friend in Christ, John |
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9 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 80893 | ||
Hey Joe - long time no write. If you remember, I've answered your questions before but if you want me to, I'll do so again. To answer the new questions: --Luke 22:31-32 Jesus prayed to God that Peter be given the strength not too lose his faith (seems to imply that you can lose your faith) but it was still Peter's choice what to do with that strength. Fortunately, he accepted it and repented. We're also taught to pray specifically and as if it has already been accepted. Just as Jesus did here. --Acts 9:15-16. Yes, God chose Saul/Paul to be His instrument and because Time doesn't exist for God as it does for us, He knew that Saul would accept the mission. If Saul would have refused, I think God would have found someone else and we'd be reading about that person instead. God gave us the ability to choose our own paths. Some choose good, some bad. He wants us to choose to love Him. He doesn't want us to be "programmed" to love him automatically. Would you rather have your kids choose to love you or would you rather force them to love you (kind of like Saddam)? |
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10 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | jg8ball | 80885 | ||
God loves us (everyone) whether we are saved or not - and nothing will or can stop Him from loving us - not even principalities. I'm not as strong in my opinion as to whether once saved always saved is true as I am in that God has put into motion a plan for salvation that EVERYONE can choose this plan to be saved. I don't believe that God has selected only a few ELECT people to have the opportunity to be saved. But back to once saved always saved. If that was true, why then all the warnings to guard your salvation? You mentioned Peter - What if he didn't repent but ran away instead? Same for Saul - What if he said "Hey, I'd rather be blind than to promote that Jesus thing."? God gave us the ability to choose for ourselves the path we take. While it's true that no one can take our salvation away from us, I just see to many examples in the bible that imply that we (being human) may choose to deny it and fall away - for whatever extreme reason. Some would argue that they were never saved in the first place. I would then ask those people how they know that they are truly saved then? My faith grows the more I realize that I need God. I understand (and am fully aware) that I'm not perfect and I do sin and maybe even sometimes run away from God - but I know that God still loves me and calls me His own. I'm still saved. I have always come back and never ever thought about rejecting God. But what about those people that walked and talked the path to God thru Jesus, accepted Him fully, was baptized, attended church and church funtions, witnessed to others, etc... but later because of maybe a loss of children or spouse or maybe over time because he though that he could not lose his salvation became stagnant and fell into the ways of the world and forgot about God over time and then died. Are they still saved? Truely - only God knows for sure. Keep in mind that these are my interpretations of what I read and studied from the Bible. Why we have so many different views - I don't know. All I know for sure is that God loved us so much that if He didn't do something to get us back on track we were going to end up in a big mess again. The only thing He could do that would get through our thick skulls (although some still refuse to believe) is to to become human and show us who God really is and what it really means to serve Him. Jesus died for us once and for all as a final sacrifice for our sins. No more pigeon killing. No more slaughtering of Lambs. Jesus is our new convenant with God - and just to prove it God raised Jesus so that many would witness and spread the truth so that we too would hear it through the written word. Now that I've written way more than planned, I'll end. I hope I didn't ramble on too much and sorry if I did. |
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11 | Not my will, but Yours be done... | Luke 22:42 | jg8ball | 70746 | ||
I completely agree with you here. I believe Jesus, during His time on earth, was more human than God. He had to become human to become the perfect sacrifice for us. | ||||||
12 | Is tithing for today? | Lev 27:30 | jg8ball | 41933 | ||
I agree completely. I use the term Tithe (probably incorrectly) to mean that which you give back to God - which would be whatever amount you can joyfully give. Traditionally, this amount is 10 percent based on OT and that it literally means a tenth. | ||||||
13 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 41712 | ||
Thanks for the agreement. I hope others study the Bible (as a whole) and not just the verses that seem to fit with what they want to believe. If they did, I don't see how they could come up with once saved - always saved and more importantly, that God's salvation is not available to everyone. (Elect versus Free Will) But that's just my interpretation. I can hardly wait for the day when I'll get to hear the Truth from the Source. I'm betting that it's going to be something like all that really matters is that we Love God and Love everyone else. If you do these two things then does anything else really matter? On a side note, that wasn't me that responded to your response to my initial response :) |
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14 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | jg8ball | 41584 | ||
New Creature, I've fought this same battle many times before (including in this forum) and, as your finding out, people are pretty set on what they want to believe and no matter how many verses that show that we must be on guard against losing our way, they're always going to refer back to a few verses that when taken out of context support a "once saved always saved" doctrine. When it all comes down to the bottom line though, it doesn't really matter which way you believe. As long as you have accepted Christ in your life, and continue to believe and not reject Him, you will be saved. Others may also add that you must also be baptized, but that's a whole other can of worms. |
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15 | Question not answered..... any help? | Mark 16:16 | jg8ball | 40147 | ||
From a Christian (and believer) standpoint, I completely agree. From a non-believer standpoint, I'd have to disagree. I could always say that the NT writers new the OT prophecies and fabricated a story to fit. NOTE: I don't believe this to be the case but would have a hard time convincing someone that did. While it's ok to study the Bible, I think God would like us to spend at least as much (if not much more) time getting His message to those that need it. Luke, I believe, is a person that needs to know the message. The message isn't trying to prove one interpretation over another, it's that God loves him and wants him. Once he's a believer (if that's the path he chooses) and he then decides to debate the various parts of the Bible, then so be it. That's just my thought. Others will probably disagree and that's ok too. |
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16 | Do YOU belive in the Bible? | 1 Cor 7:15 | jg8ball | 39232 | ||
Yes, Love is a feeling. What does that have to do with faith? Are you trying not to make sense or do you find pleasure in tormenting others for no good reason? | ||||||
17 | Can a divorced person remarry? | 1 Cor 7:15 | jg8ball | 39108 | ||
AMEN! | ||||||
18 | Do YOU belive in the Bible? | 1 Cor 7:15 | jg8ball | 39106 | ||
I don't understand your question then. Did I imply that Faith had something to do with feelings? | ||||||
19 | Do YOU belive in the Bible? | 1 Cor 7:15 | jg8ball | 39096 | ||
Sorry, you are correct. Hatred of that which is against God is ok. (although we are still told to love our enemies - Hate the sin but love the sinner) I was refering to hatred in an evil sense. |
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20 | Do YOU belive in the Bible? | 1 Cor 7:15 | jg8ball | 39086 | ||
I agree. Is Faith Love? |
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