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1 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 215015 | ||
Hi Vintage68, I understand there was no law from Adam to Moses as for as the "law of Moses," but there was a law concerning taking the life of others. Genesis 9:5 Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man's brother I will require the life of man. 6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man. So based on Genesis 9:6 if Abraham had offered Issac as a burnt offering thus killing him - would not others be required to take the life of Abraham for killing his son? |
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2 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214997 | ||
Hi Steve, You said: "In order for your friend to mimic the command to Abraham, he would have to stop at the last moment and kill a ram instead." I like that... I will tell him that for sure. Great answer. It is sort of like people claiming to being tempted like Job when they loose things. Well to be like Job they have to be healed and restored. But that be as it may. God still told Abraham to kill his son. So is my friend to go through with the destruction of his family until God calls out from Heaven in an audible voice? |
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3 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214991 | ||
Hi walkforChrist, I understand what you are saying, but... If someone told you they were going to offer their child to God today as a burnt offering would you say it was "it was a great act of love" or would you say it was someone taking the life of another? |
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4 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214990 | ||
Hi Azure, Thank you for your kind and respectful attitude in your post. I agree with your comments in general. And in fact your comment "We always have the Bible to teach and verify people's claiming their receiving special revelation or hearing from God." is what I am trying to do. I am trying to show this guy that his special revelation is WRONG! Well how? I am trying to find the Scripture that would prove that to him. Thanks so much for your kind words. |
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5 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214989 | ||
Hi Steve, Good question. No the human sacrifice specifficly is not the question. It is when we talk to him and tell him the loss his family is going through and the "death" to his family that he is causing he responds: "Well Abraham was commanded to kill his son so why should I be any different. To which I replied: You are not Abraham. Christ has become our sacrfice and we need no more. It is wrong for you to hurt you family in this way and etc... He replies If God told Abraham to kill his son then don't think it strange if things in my life have to die as well. So I am trying to get him to see the truth of Abraham's testing. So indirectly I would like to have an answer to this question so that I can let him know how wrong he is. But he says that there must be an error in the Bible since God told Abraham to kill his son and in James we are told that God does not temp any man with evil. Well the point of the whole question is how do we reconcile Genesis 22:2 where God told Abraham to offer his son as a burnt offering (which of course would kill him - and would be evil if you are I did it) with James 1:14 that tells us that God does not temp with evil. I really did not come here to cause any kind of trouble just to get a question answered. It is a real shame that some have taken a very difficult Bible question to be some strange attempt to try and trap people. I am not doing that, just would like an answer from Scripture. |
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6 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214988 | ||
Hi John, You know, I have no desire to communicate at the level you have taken this discussion. Unless you have a Biblical answer then please leave this discussion to those who give respectful responses in a polite manner. There is too much at stake in the life of my friend (whose wife is considering leaving him today) and his family for this kind of non-Christian insults and false accusations. |
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7 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214981 | ||
Hi John, How does who referred to this forum allow you to call me a liar? |
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8 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214973 | ||
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9 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214970 | ||
Hi, OK "God is in fact not telling your so-called friend to kill anyone." But since God is no respecter of persons would you say the that: "God did not in fact not tell Abraham to kill anyone." You see the point that seems to be missed here is my friend who I have know for over 25 years is using this passage to justify his sin against his wife and children. He is a good man in many ways, it is just his thinking of late has become extremely erratic and nuts. As a friend I feel obligated to help him if I can. I am a Christian and I beleive the Word of God and no matter what he says my faith will not be shaken. But his is! And I must find a way to show him that God is NOT unjust and that Genesis 22 and James 1 can be reconciled. I am very sorry I have not been able to communicate it well in that a number of you are seeming to pile on me and trying to drive me from this board. Someone who visits this board told me that you were all very polite and very understanding. I am beginning to think he was wrong. |
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10 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214969 | ||
Hi, Of course God is not obligated to answer me in any shape form or fashion. But I thought this was a board where you could get questions answered. Sorry that a difficult question bothers you. |
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11 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214966 | ||
Hi Steve, Thank you for your response. I have Barnes commentary and I read the part that you mentioned above. "But the moral difficulty of human sacrifice is not so removed... Without the divine command, it is needless to say that it was not lawful for Abraham to slay his son." So am I to understand that Barnes is saying that since God commanded it, then God who is over all of creation, it cannot be unlawful. And if God did NOT command it then of course it would still be unlawful? Well that being the case it seems that Barnes and you are saying that "if" God in fact is telling my friend to kill his family members then it is OK or lawful. Is that correct? |
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12 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214957 | ||
Hi Vintage68, Your calling my question dishonest is very un-Christian. I said only what I need to say to ask the question. I did not say anything further until some members began to say I was only here trying to play games. That dear brother was wrong. So to show that then I gave the "additional" information. My, but you folks are sure ready to jump on anybody that is truly seeking a Biblical response. I have only asked a question that is very difficult to answer, I know that. I have a number of resources I have looked at and have not found the answer as of yet. So if you do not know the answer please do not get upset with me. I don't know the answer either. |
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13 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214956 | ||
Hi John, Sorry you seem to be upset, it was not my intent. I know this is a very difficult question, that is why I came here, thinking you folks might could give a Biblical response. To this date after reading every single response I have not seen one response that tells why it was OK for Abraham to kill his son. If I have missed it you are welcome to point it out to me. I have a friend who needs desperately to ave an answer. |
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14 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214951 | ||
Hi John, Smug? I thought there were rules on this board about treating others in the Love of Christ! John, you don't know me and have borne a false witness toward me. I do have a friend and he is a Christian who is bipolar. He comes up with these strange beliefs about Scripture. Like saying his family must sacrifice because of God's so called "call" on his life. He does not work but reads the Bible all day long - but comes up with these strange beliefs. His family is suffering and I am trying to help. He has asked this question concerning Abraham and I am trying to get him "NOT a religious answer" but a Biblical answer. To date you are no one else (including me) has been able to offer a Biblical response that makes sense. So before you start judging you should know a little bit more of the facts. Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. |
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15 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214950 | ||
Hi Azure, You said: "The scripture said it is a test, then it is a test, period." I agree, you are correct. But does that make it OK to kill your son even though it is God who the one testing you to do it? And would bot that test be a test of evil? |
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16 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214947 | ||
Hi John, Sorry but I must have misunderstood you. I thought you said: "So even if God had allowed Abraham to kill his son, (and that is just speculation) it would have been a righteous act, and not a sin." Remember John the word allowed is a weak word - God commanded Abraham to kill his son. Genesis 22:2 "...Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering..." This is opposed to God's Word in James. James 1:13 "...for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" Seems to me that either killing your son is evil or it is not. If it is not then it is not evil to kill you son today. (And I of course think that it is) If it is evil then we have a problem with James 1 and Genesis 22. No one here has offered an explanation as of yet for the proper understanding of these two passages. (Me included). (smile) |
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17 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214946 | ||
Hi Steve, Above you said: "We do know God cannot be tempted with evil nor does He tempt anyone (James 1:13). This is clear teaching in the scriptures." I agree. But based on that agreement then you seem to be saying that it is NOT evil to kill your son and offer him to the Lord as a sacrifice. That is very hard fro me to accept. |
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18 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214945 | ||
Hi WOS, I understand your thinking but upon what basis do you assure me that this test cannot take place again? |
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19 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214944 | ||
Hi Tim, I agree! But why did someone not try and get Abraham some help for the same problem? Did not Abraham have any friends around him that cared? |
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20 | Why did God tell Abraham to kill his son | Gen 22:2 | bibleman12 | 214929 | ||
Hi John, Thanks for your response. OK I have a friend with big time problems along these lines. So by what you are saying... my friend who is saying that God is telling him to kill someone as an act of proof of obedience to God... that would would NOT be a sin? Since God is telling him to do it. Is that correct? |
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