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1 | Acts 13:1 | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 203835 | ||
Dear Jamison, You wrote, "I don't like to put that much trust in mere men, so why not hear what a Mormon says to see if it is true?" It might be good to point out that Mormon's are "mere men" too. But they are mere men standing outside scriptural, creedal, gospel, and ecclesiastical consensus! Talk about being "mere!" According to the Word, the apostles, pastors, and scholars of the church were given by Christ to the church, specifically for the purpose of avoiding false teachings (Ephesians 4:11:16). Mormon teaching fails on every point of sound doctrine as taught by twenty centuries of the consistent teaching by the Holy Spirit in the church. (See post #182013 for good direction in uncovering false teaching.) In Him, Doc "I cannot endure false doctrine, however neatly it may be put before me. Would you have me eat poisoned meat because the dish is of the choicest ware? It makes me indignant when I hear another gospel put before the people with enticing words by man who would fair make merchandise of souls; and I marvel at those who have soft words for such deceivers. 'That is your bigotry,' says one. Call it so if you like; but it is the bigotry of the loving John, who wrote, 'If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed; for he that biddeth him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds.' I would to God we all had more of such decision, for the lack of it is depriving our religious life of its backbone and substituting for honest manliness a mass of tremulous jelly of mutual flattery. He who does not hate the false does not love the true; and he to whom it is all the same, whether it be God's word or man's, is himself unrenewed at heart. Oh, if some of you were like your fathers, you would not have tolerated in this age the wagon loads of trash under which the gospel has been of late buried by ministers of your own choosing. The apostle spake by inspiration when he said, 'If we or an angel from heaven preach to you any other gospel than that ye have received, let him be accursed.' According to modem effeminacy he ought to have said, 'Let him be kindly spoken with in private, but pray make no stir. No doubt the good brother has his own original modes of thought and we must not question his liberty. Doubtless he believes the same as we do, only there is some little difference as to terms.' This is treason to Christ and treachery to truth and cruelty to souls. If we love our Lord, we shall keep His words and stand fast in the faith, coming out from among the false teachers. Nor is this inconsistent with charity; for the truest love to those who err is not to fraternize with them in their error, but to be faithful to Jesus Christ in all things." --Charles H. Spurgeon |
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2 | Acts 13:1 | Bible general Archive 4 | jamison | 203837 | ||
What's up Doc (can't be the first time you heard that one, huh), I think maybe you missed my point. Mormons are mere men, of course. However, the only way you know they stand outside of "scriptural, creedal, gospel and ecclesiastical consensus" is to know what they believe. You can either learn what they believe by listening/reading something from them, or you can take what some other guy tells you they believe. Why not hear it from them? Why assume that what someone else says about their beliefs is true when you can actually read/listen to them? What would have happened if everybody in Jesus' time took the Pharisees' word for who Jesus was? Wouldn't it be better for the people to actually hear what Jesus said instead of writing him off as a heretic as the Pharisees told them He was? Jamison |
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3 | Acts 13:1 | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 203841 | ||
Well, Jamison, for all of that, it would be much less than prudent to listen to the Mormons while ignoring all the rest! Furthermore, based on your line of reasoning, I might as well ask, why depend on what the Lord says about Satan's doctrines when you can hear them from Devil himself? Sounds silly, doesn't it? You see, Jesus himself had Scriptural, creedal, prophetic, historic, and divine validation. There is only one certain, infallible, inerrant, necessary, and sufficient source of sound doctrine, and that is the Scriptures themselves. Anyone denying that -- as do the Mormons -- is not likely to have anything to say to us that will be edifying (Jude 8-12). In Him, Doc |
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4 | Acts 13:1 | Bible general Archive 4 | jamison | 203844 | ||
Come on Doc, you know this comparison is not accurate. My line of reasoning was about depending on what one man says about another's theology. You have taken it to depending on what Jesus says about another's (Satan's) theology. Unless you think Jesus was just a man, then this comparison is an inaccurate one. So yes, it would make my argument sound silly. Here is my question to you...How do you know that what the Mormons believe is contrary to Scripture? You have to know what they believe to know it contradicts Scripture. So how do you know what they believe? Based on what someone told you they believe? Now a comparison for you then. If you were a Pharisee when Jesus came about, would you listen to what the Pharisees said about Jesus, or would you listen to Jesus Himself? Jamison |
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5 | Acts 13:1 | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 203858 | ||
Dear Jamison, The argument is precisely the same. If Jesus says, "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true" (John 5:31). Given the precedent, and the clear instruction of Scripture, we should never believe the assertions of someone simply on the merit of their own word. I'm quite sufficiently familiar with the teachings Joseph Smith, Ellen G. White, and Charles Taze Russell. Study church history and you'll find that what they teach starts out wrong from the very foundations. These heresies get repeated and repeated because people don't know enough to use God's provision. The false teachers gain a hearing because they aren't tossed out on their ear at the beginning. Son, if a man can't add 2 and 2 and get 4, I'll not be very inclined to evaluate what he has to say about Calculus. God carefully and providentially grants us absolutely everything we need "so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes" (Ephesians 4:14). "If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain." (1 Timothy 6:3-5) Simply amazing how we never seem to learn, but still give the yahoos a platform. Well, at least here in the Study Bible Forum, we have the proper foundation of sola Scriptura. In Him, Doc PS Here's a quote by Joseph Smith: "First, God himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heavens, is a man like unto one of yourselves if you were to see him today, you would see him in all the person, image and very form as a man. ...Here, then, is eternal life -- to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." Yeah... right... sheesh! |
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