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1 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | Integrity Electric | 223559 | ||
Christ Death was only physical and only lasted three days. I hear people from all corners state that the Death of Jesus was a great sacrafice. Jesus knew that his death was only temporal. 1.Why is this death considered such a sacrafice. 2. What was the true sacrafice of Jesus. |
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2 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | BMyers | 223560 | ||
The first question I have for you, how much do you look forward to your own death? If you are a Christian, you know it is only a temporal death, yet many still do not look forward to the end. Your body will fight to stay alive as long as it can. With that being said, when you die, you are not taking on the sins of the WHOLE world; you aren't even taking on your sins. Christ, who was without sin, took on everyone’s sin. I don't think we can even imagine what that would be like. His death "only lasted three days". Let me place you in a totally dark room, void of everything except the walls that are keeping you in and see how long three days feels like to you. Ultimately, the most important part, the Son of God, who knew no sin, became sin, so that we could be found acceptable to the Father. He did what we couldn’t do and paid the price by taking on the sin that we can't get rid of on our own. He willing accepted my wickedness on His perfect state so that I might be redeemed. Christ bears the scars from that day (John 20:27) when HE took on the sins of the world. Brad |
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3 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | Integrity Electric | 223561 | ||
Hey Brad, Thanks for the answer. I know you have a good heart and I meant no disrespect. Trying to compare myself with Christ is not a good comparison. I personally do not fear death and have physically (clinically) died 4 times. But that is just me. Christ was not in a void for three days during the time of his death and we will not be in a void at our death. You sound a little irritated with this question. You are getting close when you talk about Christ taking on our sins. And taking things in context where did Christ come from. As far as the torture of Christ I can tell you there are many men who have been tortured to a much greater degree. I am looking for a deeper answer to this question. I have what I think is the answer but I am trying to get a conformation. |
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4 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | BMyers | 223562 | ||
I will have to disagree with men that have been tortured in a much greater degree statement. Mark 15:34, shows a torture that none of us can understand. Even knowing death was a temporal matter for Christ, doesn't make the sacrifice any less significant to go through. The example that comes to mind is mother fiving birth to her child. The pain is tremendous, thankfully modern medicine has made this task easier on woman, yet none the less still struggle, even though they know it will only last for a short period of time. The length of time in the grave seems insignificant even though He knew that it was only for x days, months, or years (just like a mother giving birth will know it will only last x amount time). The sacrifice was the taking of His perfect state and making it imperfect by bearing the sins of those that couldn't. Yes, you were right I do get irritated and I forget at times, that Jesus doesn't need my help to defend Himself (Mat 26:53). Thank you for taking my comments in stride. Brad |
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5 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | Integrity Electric | 223563 | ||
As far as torture goes physical torture is not the torture the bible speaks of. Let me give a hint as to what I believe the answer is. And I believe you are coming closer with Christ perfect state. What is spiritual death and has Christ ever suffered spiritual death? |
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6 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 223565 | ||
Integrity, I would be very careful with trying to see beyond what scripture reveals. Our goal is to understand what scripture does say, not speculate on what it does not. 1Ti 1:4 nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. If there is one thing which scripture has said a great deal about, it is Jesus Christ. Try to understand what it is saying rather than to figure out things unsaid. Scripture consistently speaks of Christ's death on the cross as sacrifice for our sins. Read Isaiah 53. These things he underwent for us. And God the father did see it as a payment for our sins. These are things that scripture says clearly, and so with humility we believe the word of God without searching for an alternate answer. I do not know what you are about to suggest, or what you suggesting Christ suffered a spiritual death even means in your mind. But take caution, such reasonings of men born from not being content with the answers of scripture is fertile ground for birthing heresies. In Christ, Beja |
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7 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | Integrity Electric | 223584 | ||
Very good answer and I am with you. But did not it say in scripture "My God My God why have you forsaken me". Spiritual Death, In my mind is the absence from God. Was the Son of God separated from the Father? Would this not be more of a sacrifice than a physical death? Does not the Bible talk of two deaths. Did not Jesus say that a spiritual death was worse? I am not trying to see beyond scripture. There is plenty of scripture to back up what I am suggesting. No doubt this is for the adult in Christ and I am not trying to throw confusing heresies in to the pot. In His Name, Integrity |
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8 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 223585 | ||
Integrity, You said that there is plenty of scripture to back up what you are suggesting. I encourage you to provide that scripture. Where does it say that Christ was seperated from the Father? I do not think that "why have you forsaken me?" implies that neccesarily. Where does scripture indicate that a spiritual death is a better sacrifice? Where does Jesus say that a spiritual death was worse unless you refer to the passage that says fear not those who can take your life but Him who after taking your life can cast you into hell? If that is the case, and you are calling being thrown into hell spiritual death, then we have a much more clear definition of what you are saying. If you mean to say spiritual death is not that, then that passage doesn't support you. However, you've yet to say anything of serious error yet, but let me share what is concerning me about your thinking. If you stray into error on this, your error is going to be concerning the sufficiency of Christ's attonement. That would be a very very serious error indeed. This is why I am nervous with somebody who is reasoning that the physical suffering, death, and ressurection of Jesus alone doesn't seem to be enough. Now certainly there were spiritual implications of Christ's death. His death was an outpouring of God's wrath in a way that a typical martyr's death, for example, is not. However, it is hard for us to say anything beyond that. In Christ, Beja |
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9 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | lionheart | 223586 | ||
Beja, Dear brother thank you for you calm and even handed approach to this issue. Again I'll state that we cant go wrong when the structure and framework of our faith and believing is based on sound application of God's Word. A couple of scriptures here that also add clarity to this subject. Ro 8:1-4 and Heb 7:16 Our Lord met the righteous requirement of the law. In Him, lionheart |
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