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1 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | hobbs | 185769 | ||
Rom 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 2 Rom 9:23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, Hi Mark, I see the in the story of Cornelius, a lump of clay which is being prepared for Glory, and not a reprobate whom God is administering just enough grace to make a free will decision when the Gospel shall be presented to Him. which He prepared beforehand for glory, In other words Cornelius was one of those which were being "prepared beforehand for glory," That is He was one of God's elect. Hobbs |
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2 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185945 | ||
Hi Hobbs. Please note that the first two words of the passage you are quoting are, "What if".. Paul is not saying that what follows is in fact the case, but rather.. What if it were the case? Yours in His service. ebrain. |
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3 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185950 | ||
Hi Edwin, Another thing about that particular passage is that there is some information it does not actually contain, the most prominent to me being the criteria upon which some vessels were prepared for wrath, and some for glory. God has patience with ones, towards the salvation of the others, but what is this verse really saying, and not saying, about "election towards salvation"? Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185985 | ||
Hi Mark. Thank you for your post. In order to answer your question, it is best to go back a few verses in this Chapter to Rom 9:10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), Rom 9:12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."* Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."* Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! Why did God love Jacob, and hate Esau? The answer of course is "Divine foreknowledge", The Lord knew full well before these two were born exactly what each one exercising his own free will would do, and because of His foreknowledge, He loves one, and hates the other. He most certainly did not foreordain one to be good, and the other one to be evil. Such a suggestion would be a gross misrepresentation of the Lord our God. I hope this helps. Edwin. |
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5 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185987 | ||
Hi again Mark. I should have included in my last post that election is according to foreknowledge. Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Edwin. |
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6 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 186095 | ||
Hi Edwin, I appreciate your notes, and I don't mean to sound contrary . . . Doesn't Romans 8:29 actually say that pre-destination, not election, is according to foreknowledge? And not predestination to salvation, but rather predestination to being conformed to the image of Jesus? Love in Christ, Mark |
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7 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 186130 | ||
Hi Mark Paul may not say so, but Peter does 1Pe 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Edwin. |
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8 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 186138 | ||
Hi Edwin, This is a very interesting passage you've brought up. There is a bit of disagreement between translations on this one. The word "elect" is actually grammatically joined with "sojourners" in the previous verse which is where it also appears in actual word order: 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the choice sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, (YLT) The grammatical construction is: Peter apostle (Nominative subject of the sentence) of Jesus Christ (Genitive Noun - describes Peter's apostleship) to the chosen (adjective - describes Diaspora) expatriates (adjective - describes diaspora) of the Diaspora (genitive noun - describes Peter's apostleship) The place names are the same as Diaspora. This could be paraphrased as: Peter, the one sent by Jesus Christ to the chosen expatriates of the Dispersion, of Pontus, of Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, Bithynia, according to God's foreknowledge. . . There isn't a way grammatically to determine if this is saying Peter was sent according to foreknowledge, or if the expatriates were chosen according to foreknowledge. I don't think this is actually an outright statement that we are elect according to foreknowledge, although it certainly could be. Love in Christ, Mark |
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