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1 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155726 | ||
Hi Doc, I Cor 9:27 doesn't mention the will, only the body. Who is the, I, Paul is talking about? His spirit or his body? I don't see where you can conclude the will is implied? What is the scriptural basis? You are right,James 2:16 was not the correct scripture, the reference was I JOhn 2:16 so that would be confusing :) Yes, we do disagree as to the two part or three part being. All of God's word has to be considered in coming to conclusions and not just isolated parts, he knows more than all mankind put together and he is the revelator. I Thes 5:23 No one should have, and I know I did not have presuppositions. I came to my conclusions by study of the word. I had no clue mankind was spirit, soul and body, until I read it. Pre-suppositions come from lack of truth and Jesus identified the source of truth as God's word, not mankinds suppositions. John 17:17 That's good enough for me. Ro 1:20 What are the invisible things of him? Isn't it the spirit realm, the Holy Spirit, Heaven, hell, mankinds spirit (which is the image of God John 4:24, since God is a Spirit), thoughts of the innermost being of man. Actually I think we are of the same understanding on that issue. I don't know any Greeks or gnostic's :) don't know what they think so it couldn't be a hang-over. I Cor 2:13 is the heart of the New Testament teaching starting from John 1:33, John 14:26, 17, Acts 2:4, 33, 39, and many others as the purpose of the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit himself. Of course he teaches truth, so that is God's word, but he also give the revelation and understanding of this truth. I John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received of him (God the Father) abides in you, and you need NOT that ANY MAN teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie and even as it (or he) has taught you, you shall abide in him. Who do you say is the anointing? Where does the anointing come from? Who is the source of the anointing? Is it a someone, or just a something in your opinion? We know the natural anointing oil was used in the Old Testament, I realize the anointing is truth, as this verse says, but I also know Jesus is the truth, John 14:6, the Holy Spirit is the truth, John 16:13, and God's word, both living, written and spoken is truth. John 17:17. The truth is what we're after, so what is it, who is it, where is it, and who has it in your opinion? II Cor 10:12 seems to me to be a warning to all people who think they have all the answers of both the Spiritual and natural things as the examples from the previous scriptures (I Cor 10:1-12) that the Holy Spirit through Paul was explaining, for all mankind to read and take heed. verse 11 Now all these things happened to them for examples; and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. In reading what those folks did, they thought they had it all together and God said no they didn't. You do agree that man is both spiritual and physical (or natural)? Isn't it a fact that none of us know it all? II Cor 10:12 What that says to me from a personal level and in my walk with God is don't compare yourself with others. The way I view it is God gives each person their own things to accomplish for him. They are different and according to what he has given us, whether talents or whatever, specifically. If we look at someone else in the body of Christ and think they are doing more or less than we are, in either case, we would not be wise. As Paul continued he did not stretch himself beyond "our measure"...we each have what God wants us to do. Don't try to do the other persons job.. I realize some of these issues are considered by some as side issues to the original subject. I don't feel anything is a side issue and that all issues of life are connected in some way as a whole. See next note |
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2 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 155798 | ||
Dear CSM, You wrote, "No one should have, and I know I did not have presuppositions." Everyone, everywhere, all the time has presuppositions. I think you are mistaking the word for "prejudices" or something. Presuppositions are simply our basic beliefs. Let me quote a good friend of mine, in answer to the question, "What is a presupposition?" "A presupposition is a ultimate assumption or foundational unquestioned principle which is or assumed to be true in the course of argument for the purpose of making other points. A presupposition is really an undergirding belief that precedes all other beliefs a person has; It is a belief that governs all our other beliefs or the most fundamental commitment of our heart and mind. Each person insists on some ultimate category of thought or conceptual framework which he must assume in order to make a sensible interpretation of reality. All of our arguments are ultimately settled only by appealing to the soundness of our first principles. Unbelievers start with the presupposition that man can be as God in the sense of being his own ultimate authority and erroneously believes he can do so successfully. For Christians we adopt the Word of God to evaluate all other beliefs, and must regard it with certainty. Reason must be the servant of Revelation (God’s Word). It is a view that places the Christian world-view and it’s basic assumptions over against the non-Christian world-view and basic assumptions!" --John Hendryx Presuppositions are not bad things. However, some presuppositions are false and some presuppositions are true. You were claiming that it was intuitively obvious to every man that he consists is composed of three parts. I'd call that an over-generalization. There are three common views held in philosophy: monism, dichotomy, and trichotomy. The fact that three different terms exist clearly implies there are people who do not agree with your claim. In Him, Doc |
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3 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155816 | ||
Dear Doc, My understanding of Presuppose or presupposition was to take for granted; assume to start with. One could say, everyone does have a basic belief system, true or false. This is evidenced in the lifestyles of people and the view of what is good and what is evil. Mr Hendryx made the statement "It is a view that places the Christian world-view and it's basic assumptions over against the non-Christian world-view and basic assumptions!" I agree whole heartedly, and in that sense, believe :)Christians could all agree. Using it in the sense of basic belief systems and the knowledge of "actual" truth from God through his word. what was attempted to be said was all mankind has to deal with challenging the "reality" they have been taught by the world, people, and the interferring influence of "the god of this world" (system of thought, word and deeds). This only tended to mix up Adam and Eve when they took another's word, instead of Gods word, and acted on it. Of course there is the other deceiver as James 1:22 states, that after one knows truth, they do not do the truth. Isn't that what Adam and Eve did, deceived themselves? Isn't it what each of us do in our lack of understanding of God completely? I may not have made myself clear, as I did not intend to imply that it is intuitively obvious to every, or all man(-kind), that the composition is three parts. Actually the exact opposite was the intent. It is not intuitively obvious, it can only come through the study of God's word for oneself. I am so glad God has put his word above all philosopy, my pastor calls it philosophooey :) Please don't send me ugly letters, I didn't say it, he did! It is a given that there are philosophys, but only one truth, God's word. Dogmatic, right? Ro 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world (one might say: philosophies): but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that 1) good 2) and acceptable 3) and perfect will of God. Hmmmm the will of God is in three levels also! The one I most want to agree with is: 1)God the Father, 2) God the Son and 3) God the Holy Spirit, don't you wish everybody did? I John 5:7 Thank you for your kind answer. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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4 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 155817 | ||
Dear CSM, I always enjoyed Philosophy... and then I became a Christian. As one man put it, "Philosophers are men whose feet are firmly planted in mid-air." Theology, on the other hand, is rooted in the Scriptures. It is the firm foundation on which we base all truth. Consequently, you'll get no angry letter from me. :-) I would hope that you wouldn't anyway. In Him, Doc |
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5 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155820 | ||
Dear Doc, I love that man, whoever he was. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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