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1 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 155495 | ||
HI, CSM... 1 Thessalonians 5:23 is an inappropriate proof for the trichotomy of man. Paul may well be using a common idiom here. He is certainly not making an ontological statement. Scripture uses the word "soul" and "spirit" interchangeably. For example, in John 12:27, our Lord says, "now is my soul troubled." However, in a very similar context, in the next chapter, John tells us that Jesus was "troubled in spirit" (13:21). There are a number of places where it is used in Hebrew Parallelism. See, for example, Luke 1:46-47. Dead people are both spoken of as "spirits" (Hebrew 12:23; 1 Peter 3:19) and "souls" (Revelation 6:9; 20:4). At death, Scripture says either that the "soul" departs or the "spirit" departs (cf Genesis 35:18; 1 Kings 17:21; Isaiah 53:12; Psalm 31:5; Luke 23:46; Ecclesiastes 12:7; John 19:30; Acts 7:59; etc.). The Scripture says that the "soul" can sin or the "spirit" can sin (cf 1 Peter 1:22; Revelation 18:14; 2 Corinthians 7:1; 7:34; etc.). Indeed, everything that the soul is said to do, the spirit is also said to do and vice versa. This includes thinking, feeling, choosing, and worshiping. Although the trichotomy of man is commonly held by the masses, it is not a notion that is supported by Scripture. In Him, Doc PS Hebrews 4:12 isn't an ontological statement, either. :-) |
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2 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 155579 | ||
Hi Doc! I've been reading this thread with interest, and I know there is a widespread disagreement over this point. My question to you this morning is: What bearing on this point do you think that Hebrews 4:12 has? "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." This verse speaks of dividing the soul and spirit. Would this indicate that the soul and spirit may be two separate things? What do you think? Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 155589 | ||
Hi, brother Mark... I'm glad you asked! :-) For reference: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12) The trichotomist position uses this verse with the argument: If the Word divides the soul and spirit, then are these not two separate parts of man? Consequently, man must necessarily be three parts: Body, Soul, and Spirit. Note that the author is not saying that the Scripture can divide soul from spirit. He is using a number of terms: soul, spirit, joints, marrow, thoughts, and intents. He is speaking of the deepest, most inner-most parts of our being, which are not hidden from the "penetrating power of the Word of God." He's saying, "If you want to think in terms of the soul, then Scripture pierces to the very center dividing it even to the point of exposing our most deep seated intentions! If you want to think in terms of the spirit, the Word is such a precise instrument that it can separate our intents from our thoughts! If you want to think metaphorically about our being buried deep inside of our bodies, then the Word is like a sword that can surgically cut all the way down to joints and the very marrow of our bones." In every one of these instances, no matter how we think of it, the Word is so powerful that it will hunt down and make manifest even the slightest bit of disobedience or lack of submission to God. So, understand, that the words "soul" and "spirit" are not to be thought of as separate parts, but simply additional terms for our deep down, inner most being. I'm sure that Brother Hank can think of a better example, but in English slang, "I'm all over that like white on rice." This is not to be construed that we think that rice is coated with the color white. Hmmm... maybe Hank will help us! :-) Sorry... I'm supposed to be getting ready for class. :-) In Him, Doc |
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