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1 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95972 | ||
Radioman, ….'If the Rapture "has already taken place", then the resurrection has already taken place. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15 writes of the day when the final "trumpet" for believers will be blown and mortality will put on immortality. In this passage, he links the Rapture with the resurrection of believers. In other words, when the Rapture takes place, the resurrection occurs…. Correct. But let’s fill in the details. Paul tells the Corinthians, the ones actually alive in the 1st century, that the “rapture”/resurrection will take place within THEIR lifetime, not 2000 years and counting. 1 Cor 15:51,52 ‘Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised.’ So we can see that Paul tells people that were alive that some of them would NOT physical die, but would actually live through the rapture/resurrection. ….'Those who insist that the events of Matthew 24 are history and say that the "generation that sees these things" was the generation concurrent with Jesus nearly 2,000 years ago, must of necessity show that the resurrection has also taken place. The only way that is possible is to spiritualize the text by saying that the resurrection was a spiritual one and not a physical one…. Ok here ya go. 1 Cor 15:42-44 “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, IT IS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY.” There, that wasn’t so hard now was it? …'And what was the resurrected body of Jesus like? First, the tomb was empty. In other words, there was a physical body in it but on the day of His resurrection, it became empty. A body had departed from it. Second, he had a glorified body. It was different from His previous mortal body, but it was the same body. Third, Jesus was visible to the disciples until the time He ascended and was touched by them and ate with them. Christ's resurrected body was a physical body, not a spiritualized one… Jesus had to come back physically to one, prove he could, and two finish teaching the apostles. We do not have to fulfill these things, there is no reason why we need a physical body. …If a spiritual body cannot be seen, touched, or handled, is it a body at all? It is one thing to say that our resurrected bodies will be spiritiual bodies, but quite another to imply that our resurrected bodies will be merely spirits. The Bible speaks of spiritual bodies… It sure does. Look at angels all throughout the Bible. Spiritual beings indeed, but they could be seen, they could eat, and they could sleep. Look at the angels that come to Lot. ….However, many often "flip flop" in their interpretation approach to maintain a preconceived understanding of a text…. Something Futurists are quite guilty of as well. So much for the “Beam in the eye” verse. ….An example of this is the above. Preterists interpret "this generation" in the simple sense as meaning the generation concurrent with Christ and then suddenly "shift gears" and apply a figurative approach to arrive at a spiritualized understanding of the Rapture and the resurrection… But with 1 Cor 15:42-44 (listed above) we can see that Preterists ARE consistent as far as “this Generation” and with the spiritual understanding of the Rapture and the Resurrection. And we can now see that Futurists are the ones who are not. ….The only way the integrity of the Author/author's wording and meaning can be preserved is by taking Scripture at face value. Taking Scripture at face value means that the student of Scripture recognizes the difference between what can be called the "simple sense" of a passage and what is understood as a literal understanding…. Ok, let’s do that RIGHT now. 1 Cor 15:42-44 “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, IT IS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY.” NAS Rev 1:1 “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God have him to show to his bond servants, the things which must SOON TAKE PLACE…” NAS And those are just a small handful. Shall I list some more to be taken literally? Take care, SUEDE |
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2 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Radioman2 | 96024 | ||
Suede: My sincere thanks to you for taking the time to provide more detailed information on why you believe what you believe. I find your posts interesting and educational. Grace to you, Radioman2 |
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3 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96058 | ||
Radioman, Well, thanks for inquiring about them. Literally every time I talk with a nonPreterist, their attacks are based on misinformation. Sadly though, most will not inquire or discuss at any length with us. This is very, very, unfortunate. Allow me to add a touch of personal info to this. I was not raised a Preterist. Who is!?! I was a typical dispensational premillennialist. After studying for a few years, I realized, though popular, this theology was riddled with errors. I moved on to Amillennialism and Calvinism. I am still a Calvinist. Much better. However, in studying Amillennialism I came across a view I had never heard before, Preterism. At first glance I thought it was utterly absurd. This is actually why I tend to be extremely calm and patient with others, I still remember my first encounter with the “crazy” view! But, I knew that only Truth ultimately stands up. Soooo, I decided to run it through the wringer and be done with it once and for all and bad mouth it as complete lunacy. So I sat down and studied it. Then I panicked. I was having a hard time disproving it Biblically. Then I asked my scholarly friends about it. They couldn’t Biblically disprove it either. Then I started noticing “time indicators” in the Bible. And, it clicked! At that instant, the Bible made sense to me, ALL OF IT. There were no difficulties, no hard verses, no bending and twisting to explain. And so, I am a Preterist. However, I will say this. I am always, always, willing to hear people’s sides and opinions about it. And the exact moment it is Biblically disproven, is the exact same moment I stop being a Preterist! But, until then, I suggest people do the same. If you can not disprove it, perhaps you can’t because it’s CORRECT! I mean this jist is that Christ said he would be back in one generation. He said this around 30 AD. Within a generation, 40 years to the Jews, ALL the things he had listed at the Olivet discourse had come to pass. That’s really something. Oh well, take care, thanks for listening, please feel free to ask questions too, I will do my best to answer them! SUEDE Revelation 1:1 “The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show his servants what must SOON TAKE PLACE…” |
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4 | Doesn't Revelation pose difficulties? | Bible general Archive 2 | StJake | 96069 | ||
"At that instant, the Bible made sense to me, ALL OF IT. There were no difficulties, no hard verses, no bending and twisting to explain." I am curious- there are many passages in Revelation that I would think would be difficult: Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth ... Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. and the mark, the vials of Rev 16...? |
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5 | Doesn't Revelation pose difficulties? | Bible general Archive 2 | Searcher56 | 96083 | ||
Rev 8:12 ... there will be 8 hours of total darkness (like the 9th plague Exo 10:21-23). Rev 9:15-19 ... Either it took an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year or God was talking about a specific hour where the four angels led the 200 million man army to kill a third of mankind. Rev 11:3-14 The two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days, then be killed ... when there will be a celebration ... and the two will be taken to heaven. |
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