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1 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | flinkywood | 118124 | ||
Rowdy, No, the bible is not clear on every point, but your "answers", often abound in speculation which is not carefully vetted with cross references. Because the bible is not always literally explicit, we are obliged to dig (2 Tim 2:15). You should be aware, for instance, that Jesus' words come from Psalm 22:1. Can you think of any instance in Jesus' ministry when he takes OT scripture out of OT context? What is the theme of Psalm 22? In light of that Psalm, and in context of that moment on Calvary, why did Jesus choose to speak verse 1? The other stuff from your post in question goes beyond conjecture into the realm of imagination. Colin |
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2 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Custard | 118127 | ||
Excuse me for butting it but I read most of this thread and had a thought to share that I have been pondering for some time. It is that Jesus asking that the cup be passed from him is like any prayer we pray when we are going through something we would rather avoid. "Is there any other way I can do this, God? I'm willing to do what you want, but do I have to go this way?" The answer from the Father was, "No. This is the only way." In this instance, Jesus fulfills Hebrews 4:15 -- "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin." When God answers our prayers with "No..." we often/usually don't wait around to hear the rest of what he wants to say to us. Instead, we give in to our weakness and complain and mope. Jesus did not do this, however, but after receiving the answer to his prayer, he humbled himself and went to the cross -- not just obediently and dutifully, but enthusiastically, energetically and with muscularity. Compare how he underwent the mother of all anxiety attacks in the garden, but then once the arresting crowd arrives, he is virtually in charge of the whole operation leading up to the cross. The reason for his change of attitude is found in Hebrews 12:2-3: "For the joy set before Him he endured the cross...." What was the joy? "Consider him who endured hostility from sinful men so that you might not grow weary and lose heart." You were the joy. You were the answer to His prayer. You were His inspiration. |
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3 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118130 | ||
I'd like to say an hearty Amen to your post but I just wanted to add this supplemental thought with which I'm hoping your agree. I think this separation from God was truly a new experience for our Lord. As we see throughout the Gospels, He was intensely at one with His Father at all times. It almost seems that's the only thing that kept him going, he pushed himself so hard, feeling an incredible amount of compassion for the lost souls around him, the sick and dying. So, when He knew all these sins of the world would separate Him from the Father for a relatively short period, He knew He would face death on His own AND whatever fate awaited Him in Hell. He went to that cross with complete and total faith in His Father's plan. Just seems like an incredibly scary thing to me. I keep emphasizing this point because for me, it makes the fact very clear that he really does know what we're going through being human and facing difficulties in this world. He's been there, far more than we could ever imagine. This much love for you and me. What an amazing God and Father we all have?!! God bless. --Rowdy |
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4 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | WalkingTalkingBible | 118131 | ||
Rowdy, I agree that the separation from the Father was an unexplainable, tormenting horror for Jesus. One of my favorite verses is Hebrews 12:2, "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Knowing that He would be joined again with the Father was His motivation to ENDURE. Jesus has encouraged me to keep my focus on being joined with Him and not to let these little life circumstances make me take my mind off of Him. Even though Jesus was not condemned to hell (He wasn't a sinner, He became sin for us), I know He knows what hell is like (being separated from the Father) and was motivated to die for the sins of us, because of His love for us. This is the very drive I have to teach, love, and longsuffer with those who are living in error, unsaved, and lost, so that their souls are not eternally separated in the end. This was a great response you gave! What a Mighty God we serve!! WalkingTalkingBible |
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5 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118137 | ||
Thanks for the encouragement; I'm just a small part of the team. |
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