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1 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 118083 | ||
It's difficult to come up with all the reasons but I think one of them was the fact going to the cross for Jesus was going to be the first time in His existence of His being separated from His Father. Remember although this plan had been in God's mind before the fall of man in the Garden of Eden, Christ had never had the sins of the world heaped onto Him which forced God to turn His back to His own Son. Remember Christ was also 100 percent human and was maybe just a little apprehensive about going to Hell and follow His Father's perfect system of justice. If Christ was guilty of just one single impure thought for just a fleeting moment, it would be enough for the Devil to keep Him there forever. Don't you think under those kind of conditions, even the most courageous person in the world would melt and be as scared as a wild bird? I know I would be scared to death. It would be an easy thing to think that God could of thought of some other way without sacrificing His own Son. But then, we know the answer to that, don't we? God bless. --Rowdy |
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2 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 118087 | ||
Rowdy, I would like to make just two comments. "It's difficult to come up with all the reasons but I think one of them was the fact going to the cross for Jesus was going to be the first time in His existence of His being separated from His Father. Remember although this plan had been in God's mind before the fall of man in the Garden of Eden, Christ had never had the sins of the world heaped onto Him which forced God to turn his back to His own Son." Since you know that "this plan had been in God's mind before the fall of man" if would seem an unfortunate choice of words to say that the Father "was forced" to turn his back on the Son. God is not "forced" to to anything. His will is accomplished and His will cannnot be forced or acted upon by any other will or power. I assume you do not believe any different from this must merely made an unfortunate choice of words. "Jesus was going to be the first time in His existence of His being separated from His Father" Jesus was at no time separated from his Father in his divinity. The Father and He are one in being with each other and the Holy Spirit.(John 14:7-11) In experiencing death Jesus was experiening death as a man: the separation of his body and his human soul. That is enough to cause plenty of anguish to Jesus, a true man. But it was his confidence in the Father that carried him through his ordeal in faith. "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit, you will redeem me Lord, faithful God!" Psalm 31:6; Luke 23:46; Acts 7:59 In his Divine Person, the Son, the Word still possesed His body and soul though they were separated from one another for a time in order to accomplish the divine plan of salavtion. For the Son, Jesus Christ is one Divine Person with two natures and only his human nature suffered the separation of its two integral pasrts, body and soul, but the one Divine Person was never separated into two, for there was never but one Divine Person incarnated and taking on a human nature comprised of body and soul. Emmaus |
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3 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | flinkywood | 118089 | ||
Emmaus, It seems that, "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" (Matt 27.46; Mark 15.24) can be interpreted to mean that God actually forsook His Son. What do you make of Jesus' words here? Colin |
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4 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 118093 | ||
Colin, Psalm 22 in Luke 27:46. Matthew's other allusions to Psalm 22: Matt 27:35(Ps 22:18); Matt 27:39(Ps 22:7); Matt 27:43(Ps 22:8). Psalm 22 is depict the plight of a righteous sufferer who, although innocent, is mocked and scorned by his ungodly persecutors. He turns to God in his distress, relying on God for his deliverance and final vindication. This is what Jesus is doing when he prays Psalm 22 on the cross. He trusts God (Matt 27:43) and surrenders his spirit to God (Luke 24:46) believing that God with turn his humiliation and apparent defeat into victory.(cf Luke 24:43). The big picture: "Jesus handed over according to the definite plan of God" 599.Jesus' violent death was not the result of chance in an unfortunate coincidence of circumstances, but is part of the mystery of God's plan, as St. Peter explains to the Jews of Jerusalem in his first sermon on Pentecost: "This Jesus [was] delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God."(Acts 2:23) This Biblical language does not mean that those who handed him over were merely passive players in a scenario written in advance by God.(Cf. Acts 3:13) 600. To God, all moments of time are present in their immediacy. When therefore he establishes his eternal plan of "predestination", he includes in it each person's free response to his grace: "In this city, in fact, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place."(Acts 4:27-28; cf. Ps 2:1-2) For the sake of accomplishing his plan of salvation, God permitted the acts that flowed from their blindness.(Cf. Mt 26:54; Jn 18:36; 19:11; Acts 3:17-18) "He died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures" 601. The Scriptures had foretold this divine plan of salvation through the putting to death of "the righteous one, my Servant" as a mystery of universal redemption, that is, as the ransom that would free men from the slavery of sin.(Isa 53:11; cf. 53:12; Jn 8:34-36; Acts 3:14) Citing a confession of faith that he himself had "received", St. Paul professes that "Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures."(1 Cor 15:3; cf. also Acts 3:18; 7:52; 13:29; 26:22-23) In particular Jesus' redemptive death fulfills Isaiah's prophecy of the suffering Servant.(Cf. Isa 53:7-8 and Acts 8:32-35) Indeed Jesus himself explained the meaning of his life and death in the light of God's suffering Servant.(Cf. Mt 20:28) After his Resurrection he gave this interpretation of the Scriptures to the disciples at Emmaus, and then to the apostles.(1 Pt 1:18-20) "For our sake God made him to be sin" 602.Consequently, St. Peter can formulate the apostolic faith in the divine plan of salvation in this way: "You were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your fathers. . . with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. He was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake."(1 Pt 1:18-20) Man's sins, following on original sin, are punishable by death.(Cf. Rom 5:12; 1 Cor 15:56) By sending his own Son in the form of a slave, in the form of a fallen humanity, on account of sin, God "made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."(2 Cor 5:21; cf. Phil 2:7; Rom 8:3) 603. Jesus did not experience reprobation as if he himself had sinned.(Cf. Jn 8:46) But in the redeeming love that always united him to the Father, he assumed us in the state of our waywardness of sin, to the point that he could say in our name from the cross: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"(Mk 15:34; Ps 22:2; cf. Jn 8:29) Having thus established him in solidarity with us sinners, God "did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all", so that we might be "reconciled to God by the death of his Son".(Rom 8:32; 5:10) http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p122a4p2.htm#II Emmaus |
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5 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | flinkywood | 118101 | ||
Emmaus, Great post. I knew you'd come through. Did you notice that that Pharisees, scribes and other nasties also utter the prophetic words of Psalm 22:8 (unwittingly or otherwise) in Matthew 27.43? "'HE TRUSTS IN GOD; LET GOD RESCUE Him now, IF HE DELIGHTS IN HIM; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'" Only a short time later Jesus cried out verse 1. What amazing presence of mind He had. I wonder what impact His chosen words had on those ears? Colin |
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6 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 118102 | ||
Colin, It is interesting how the Holy Spirit speaks through even the wicked who oppose God. Like the High Priest in John 11:49-52 and Baalam in the OT. Emmaus |
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7 | Cup Passed? | Bible general Archive 2 | flinkywood | 118107 | ||
Scripture doth rock, Emmaus. Colin |
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