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1 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | DarcyA | 95623 | ||
The Answer lies in the BIBLE! Christ never said he would return in 40 years. You mentioned it was funny that Jerusalem was wiped out. Isn't that where Christ will rule from? (Isa. 9:7; Mic 4:1; Mic 4:8, Zech 8:3) The problem with you relying on Peterism and not God's Word, is you will take the Word of God and twist it and make it figuritive to fit your beleifs. I know you will make all the verses I quoted to you to fit what you believe by not taking one of those verses literally, but taking them figuratively. Or saying that was true until God turned his back on Israel. I can't remember who stated this saying but he was asked how do you know there is a God. His Answer was simple and holds so much truth "Israel" In Christ, Darcy |
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2 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95628 | ||
Darcy The answer does lie in the Bible, I agree. And in it, Jesus says he will be back within one generation. The end. There's the BIBLICAL answer concerning his return. I fail to see the difficulty in this. As far as the verses go that you listed, 2 of them don't even mention Jerusalem, or Israel. And yes, the others that do are to be taken symbolic or figuratively. But worry not, I do take things literal when apt, Matt 16:28 "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Take care, SUEDE |
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3 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | DarcyA | 95631 | ||
Keep reading After Matthew 16:28 put the verse in context. | ||||||
4 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95639 | ||
Darcy, You mean the Transfiguration. Yes, an all too common "explaination" for Matthew 16:28 by Futurists. Sadly, when I was a Futurist, I used it too. However, it isn't correct, and here's why. To put Matthew 16:28 in context, we need to read the verses BEFORE it to get a full understanding of what it means. Verse 27 tells us what will happen in conjunction with verse 28; and these things were NOT done at the Transfiguration. Let me show you why. I'll list a section of Matthew verse 27 at a time and then explain why the Transfiguration does NOT explain verse 28 of Chapter 16 of Matthew. Let's start, "For the Son of Man is going to come..." Ok, at the point of the Transfiguration in chapter 17, Christ was already there, he hadn't left yet. Christ saying the Son of Man is GOING to come, means that Christ first has to leave so he can in come. "...in his Father's glory with his angels..." At the Transfiguration Christ only appears with Moses and Elijah. "...and he will reward each person according to what he has done." That didn't happen at the Transfiguration either. Therefore, we can see that chapter 17 does not explain 16:28. Take care, SUEDE |
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5 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | DarcyA | 95643 | ||
The trnasfiguration doesn't show verse 27? ummm okay I must be mistaken. In the KJV 17:1 starts out and after six days. Showing there is a direct connection with 16:28. You know thbe sad thing is about people who can't prove there theory without twisting Gods word. They mislead people into thinking they can twist the Words make them in whatever they want to believe. God didn't make is bible all figuritive like you like to think. When God says Jerusalem He is not talking about Washington DC. If I told my 4 year old son what does God mean when He says Jerusalem My son would look at me wierd and say Jerusalem daddy. God says what He means and means what he says. Unfortantly people who make the bible figurative says this, "God's Word means nothing literally it means what I think it should mean." We are His Creation God is our Creature. Our creature did not give us his plan for mankind so His creation could make his words mean anything. When it comes to typology the bible always states clearly that is what it is. Read the book of Daniel and you will see what I mean. I don't understand why people stick to a certain belief when the Bible LITERALLY points them out to be a false belief. In Christ, Darcy |
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6 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95652 | ||
Darcy, “The transfiguration doesn't show verse 27? ummm okay I must be mistaken.” It happens. Apologetics 101 ALWAYS rolls Matthew 16:27 and 28 into the Transfiguration. Sad and unfortunate. “ If I told my 4 year old son what does God mean when He says Jerusalem My son would look at me weird and say Jerusalem daddy.” If you told your son what does God mean when he says the Kingdom of God, would he look at you weird and say Transfiguration? Real quick about Daniel. There isn’t a break between his 69th and 70th week. Something I hope you look into. Take care, SUEDE |
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7 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Reformer Joe | 95657 | ||
I'd never heard of apologists using the Transfiguration to explain Matthew 16:27-28. I had asked you a question a couple of weeks ago regarding your views on Matthew 25:31-46. It seems that the last judgment will be a corporate judgment rather than a one-at-a-time judgment. How does the full preterist view these verses, and when do complete preterists believe that our bodies will be resurrected and glorified (cf. 1 Corinthians 15 and Philippians 3:20-21)? Thanks! --Joe! |
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8 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95840 | ||
Hey Joe, Yes, the Transfiguration is pretty standard, it’s not the only explanation for Matt 16:27-28, but it’s by far the most common. “I had asked you a question a couple of weeks ago regarding your views on Matthew 25:31-46.’ I hope I answered it then. Sometimes keeping up with these forums can be tough. Let me know if I didn’t though. “It seems that the last judgment will be a corporate judgment rather than a one-at-a-time judgment.” I see what you mean here, but I still think it will be a one on one type judgment. But, it will be a broad stroke. Not a ‘now serving number 1,001,436’ . “How does the full preterist view these verses, and when do complete preterists believe that our bodies will be resurrected and glorified (cf. 1 Corinthians 15 and Philippians 3:20-21)?” I’m glad you can see that the first thing to deal with is timing. I think it’s incorrect to jump this, though many, Partial Preterists especially, do this often. I’m glad you don’t suffer from that. Too often folks want to race ahead to the nature of it, when instead it’s more paramount to find out when the heck it happens. 1 before 2 and 2 before 3. In short, the resurrection has happened. I know this sounds very odd, and often gets us Preterists labeled as heretics, BUT, it is what the Bible shows. First, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend you read a Literal Translation of the Bible, specifically the New Testament. Young’s or Green’s are great translations, both can be found on line as well. Unfortunately many translators inject their theologies and understanding into the Bible and this hampers with the literal meaning. Take this verse for example, here from Young’s literal translation. Acts 24:15 having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, [that] there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous; Now look at it from another translation, say NIV or NASB. Pretty different huh? But we can see that a literal rendering means that Luke was saying that there is ABOUT to be a resurrection. Also when you take Matthew 16:27 and 28 compare those two with Revelation 22:12. Pretty much the same thing, only in Revelation Jesus tells John that he is coming soon. This is actually how Revelation starts as well, note the blatant time indicator in Rev 1:1. In 1 Cor 15 we find that Paul is telling us that we are sown physical but we are raised spiritual. (15:44) That’s the nature of the resurrection. The proof of this is in a first century Heretic named Hymenaeus. Hymenaeus was a heretic because he was able to pull people out of faith by telling them that the resurrection had already happened. This is pre 70 AD mind you. But, the logic we must present is this. IF the resurrection is to be physical and IF it was to take place thousands of years in the future, there would not have been a single Christian in the 1st century mislead by Hymenaeus. Actually, Hymenaeus should have been the laughing stock of Christendom. 1st century Christians should have laughed at him and said, “Oh Hymenaeus, don’t you know our physical bodies will be altered and that this event isn’t even remotely close to us?” But that didn’t happen. Why not? Because 1st Century Christians knew that the resurrection was right there, some of them would still be alive when it did happen. The 1st century Christian was actively and eagerly awaiting the return that Christ and the Apostles spoke of as happening within a short period of time. Well that’s the jist of it, hope it finds you will. Take care, SUEDE |
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9 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | DarcyA | 95846 | ||
Read 2 Peter 1:15-18. | ||||||
10 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95882 | ||
Darcy, Yes, 2 Peter 1:15-18 is explaining the Transfiguration, quite eloquently too. However, as I originally stated, at the Transfiguration Christ did not appear with his angels nor did he reward everyone. These are things he said he would do in Matthew 16:27-28. The Transfiguration does not explain Matthew 16:27-28, it is a very separate event with very distinct and different things happening at it. Take care, SUEDE |
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11 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | DarcyA | 95887 | ||
Yes you are right....When God promises Abraham Isaac and Jacob the land of Israel He wasn't serious, When Jesus said every eye would see Him, he didn't mean it. When The prophets of God said there would be peace on Earth and the curse would be lifted it was figurative. When a verse contrdicts your belief that can't be God must have meant it in a figuritive since. Now I would advise you to read Matt 25 about the sheep and the goats. And ask the Holy Spirit to direct you if you know lord as your personal savior. And if you do you will see some truth. Also let me warn you and other preterist this is coming from my heart People who think God changed His mind on the promises to Israel and are now given to the church. And Isreal is No more goods Chosen and you hurt the apple of God's eye I would not want to be in your shoes. Because one day you will be Judged by a Jew, the Lion of Judah on how you treated His brethern Also note not one time does Jesus call the church His brethern he calls Israel His brethern. Remember this Verse every day of your life Genesis 27:29 May peoples serve you, And nations bow down to you; Be master of your brothers, And may your mother's sons bow down to you. CURSED BE THOSE WHO CURSE YOU, AND BLESSED BE THOSE WHO BLESS YOU." (Emp. Added) God's Words Gods Promises, cannot be changed. Remember it was Jews who gave us the Word of God Who a lot died for here faith. It was a Jew that gave us gentiles the Gospel. It was a Jew that that died an undeserving death and took our place which we are deserving of. The reason I am saying all this is because I don't know how you can have this view of 70AD Christ returning and not think of the Jews have lost their promises God almighty made to to thier forefathers. In Christ, Darcy |
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12 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95959 | ||
Darcy, “When God promises Abraham Isaac and Jacob the land of Israel He wasn't serious” God made promises and established covenants. Promises are based only on God, but covenants involve at least two groups, namely God and another party. A lot of the things that were to happen for the Israelites were based solely on them remaining faithful to God. They didn’t do this all the time, and suffered the consequences. When God sent his son, as promised, a lot of Jews refused to believe in him. They are therefore NOT a part of the New Covenant. “When Jesus said every eye would see Him, he didn't mean it.” He did, but you desire this to be fulfilled with visual confirmation. Not so. This is prophetic language, quite common in the OT. Since the world is round, it is an utter impossibility for all eyes to visually see him. “When The prophets of God said there would be peace on Earth and the curse would be lifted it was figurative.” Believers DO have peace, the curse HAS been lifted. To say otherwise is blasphemous because it says that we are under the curse of death, that Christ didn’t finish what he set out to do. “Now I would advise you to read Matt 25 about the sheep and the goats. And ask the Holy Spirit to direct you if you know lord as your personal savior. And if you do you will see some truth. Also let me warn you and other preterist this is coming from my heart People who think God changed His mind on the promises to Israel and are now given to the church.” Well, I do appreciate your concern, and you are sort of on the right track. Israel, as in ethnic Jews CAN in fact take part in the New Covenant and in the Promises of God. HOWEVER, they must believe in Christ. That’s key. It’s in error to separate the Jews and the Church. If Jews believe, they are the Church, along with us gentiles. But note, gentiles were grafted into the promises of God. How? By belief!! Jews/Israel can still partake in the promises, BUT they must be believers in the Son. “ And Isreal is No more Gods Chosen and you hurt the apple of God's eye I would not want to be in your shoes.” It’s ok my friend, I shake not in my boots. Israel as a single ethnic nation is not God’s chosen people anymore. Jesus plainly says that he is going to remove the kingdom of God from them and give it to a nation bearing fruit. That “nation” is all believers. Matthew 21:43-45 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. "And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust." When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.” “Remember this Verse every day of your life, Genesis 27:29 “May peoples serve you, And nations bow down to you; Be master of your brothers, And may your mother's sons bow down to you. CURSED BE THOSE WHO CURSE YOU, AND BLESSED BE THOSE WHO BLESS YOU." Yes, excellent verse. Darcy, don’t you know that that verse is about you? Who is it that blesses or curses nations? It’s the believers in God. Who are they? The Christians! Both Jewish and Gentile in ethnicity, but they are believers in Christ. I HIGHLY recommend you go over Paul’s epistles, it will clear up a lot of this chaos. Here a few verses so you can see what I mean. Romans 4:13-16 “For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, Gal 3:29 “And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.” ” Remember it was Jews who gave us the Word of God Who a lot died for here faith. It was a Jew that gave us gentiles the Gospel. It was a Jew that that died an undeserving death and took our place which we are deserving of. “ Truly. Which is why it is ultimately a pity that many ethnic Jews do not believe. ”The reason I am saying all this is because I don't know how you can have this view of 70AD Christ returning and not think of the Jews have lost their promises God almighty made to to thier forefathers. “ Christ returning fulfilled and sealed those promises, it didn’t cause them to be lost. Take care, SUEDE |
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13 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | DarcyA | 95960 | ||
Complete heresy! Look at the covenant made with Abraham. Abraham fulfilled his part. He left home! and How do you get poetic language EVRY EYE WILL SEE HIM? Its Poetic because all you are doing is twisting the Word of God to fit your needs. Last time I checked This world is not at peace. Christians are STILL persecuted and killed. And you say that is peace? What happen September 11, 2001 is Peace? The Nuclear Weapons is a sign of peace? Tell me what war is then? We will kill 40,000,000 babies because there is peace on earth? The bible states they will learn war no more! It is not poetic if it is poetic its a bad poem. | ||||||
14 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95970 | ||
Darcy, “Complete heresy!” If it is then it will be quite simple to disprove Biblically. “ Look at the covenant made with Abraham. Abraham fulfilled his part. He left home!” I agree 100 percent. He was faithful to God, and we as the faithful reap the rewards that God promised and honored to Abraham. “How do you get poetic language EVRY EYE WILL SEE HIM? Its Poetic because all you are doing is twisting the Word of God to fit your needs.” Sorry my friend, that’s the way it is. There’s no twisting here. “Last time I checked This world is not at peace. Christians are STILL persecuted and killed. And you say that is peace? What happen September 11, 2001 is Peace? The Nuclear Weapons is a sign of peace? Tell me what war is then? We will kill 40,000,000 babies because there is peace on earth?” Hmm, does the Bible state a universal peace, even for non believers? No, of course it doesn’t. There will ALWAYS be dogs outside the city. Please research that further. “The bible states they will learn war no more! It is not poetic if it is poetic its a bad poem.” Well, art is subjective. Take care, SUEDE |
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