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1 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | charis | 66412 | ||
Dear Tim, Greetings in Jesus' name! Sorry, but this seems just too convenient. They are called 'disciples.' If they were disciples of John, this would have been stated. Also 'all are NOT in agreement!' :-) Most, however, agree that they were not converted by PAUL's ministry. When asked, "When you believed...," this doesn't seem to be talking about believing in John, but Christ. Just as the Twelve and other disciples of Christ prior to the Day of Pentecost, 'John's baptism' of repentance in preparation of the coming of the Messiah was the norm. This does not make them ignorant of Jesus the Christ. More likely they were ignorant of the events of the Day of Pentecost and the up-to-date teaching of Paul. Baptism in the name of Jesus is not mentioned prior to the Day of Pentecost. Brother, I admit your scenario is POSSIBLE, but not probable. There is little Scriptural evidence that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is automatic upon belief, or synonymous with belief, but more likely often 'concurrent,' as water baptism SHOULD be. Sometimes the 'way things should be' and 'the way things are' is different. (like Christians!) :-) Good night! (really!) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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2 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 66413 | ||
Greetings Charis! Please don't answer this post tonight! Get some sleep first! :-) The command to baptize in Jesus name was given prior to pentecost. We may never know for sure what the status of these individuals was, but I am impressed by the fact they only knew John's baptism. Therefore, I don't believe they were Christians. However, regardless, we do have the case of the believers in Acts 10, who received the Holy Spirit immediately upon believing. Further, we have the Scriptures I quoted earlier which all refer to receiving the Spirit after believing. So, personally, I think there is more than adequate support that Christians receive the Holy Spirit immediately after believing. However, I did notice that you used the term 'baptism' of the Holy Spirit. Are you referring to the 'second work' of baptism? If you are, that might explain our difference in view. I am not speaking of a seond work, but the intial work of the Holy Spirit of baptizing us into Christ, sealing us, and indwelling us. I am open to the possiblity of a second work, but these works all occur upon belief. Have a good rest my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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