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1 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 66362 | ||
Teacher, please see Ephesians 2:8-10. The Bible says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not of works. Thus, the question of whether the command to be baptized constitutes a 'work' is moot, because we are not saved by anything else except God's grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. I recognize this is not an exhaustive treatment of the subject by any means and thus invite you to Search the archives of the forum for hosts of posts on this issue. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | Teacher | 66512 | ||
Hank, I will utilize the search function as it becomes necessary, thank you. The Ephesians scripture says nothing about baptism so how does it apply. I could understand your use of this passage if we were talking about how salvation came about. As previously posted, we must look at God's word in total (Ps 119.160), not just at what fits our personal belief. I respect your opinion and will leave it at that. | ||||||
3 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66518 | ||
Hi, Teacher; "The Ephesians scripture says nothing about baptism so how does it apply" I think that's the point. The passage tells us how we are saved and it says nothing about baptism. "we must look at God's word in total ... not just at what fits our personal belief." Indeed we must. There are many passages that speak of salvation apart from baptism (Joel 2:31-32 - quoted by Peter in Acts 2, Acts 16:29-31, Romans 10:8-10, 1 Corinthians 15:1-2, Ephesians 2:8-9). Do those passages contain false teaching? If baptism is a prerequisite for salvation, why did God not mention it in these passages? Joel's words in particular are unambiguous: "All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved". Just like the thief on the cross, and there is no mention of baptism in either case. I picked the passage in Acts specifically because it answers the question "what must I do to be saved?": "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved". End of answer. Baptism is not part of the answer; it is part of the jailer's response to the answer. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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4 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | Teacher | 66524 | ||
Indiana, what passage in Acts? I don't recall. What of Acts 2:38? What of Acts 22:16? What of Gal 3:25? What of Rom 6:1f? What of 1 Pet 3:21? When you take all of God's word dealing with salvation, baptism plays a very crucial part. You say, "There are many passages that speak of salvation apart from baptism". Yes this is true but there are also many passages that speak of baptism as a part of salvation. The sum of the parts equal the whole. Subtract one element you have no whole. There are many passages that have the phrase "will be saved" attached. For example, Mt 10.22, Mk 13.13 “…he who endures to the end will be saved” Does enduring save us? Mk 16.15 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved” Does believing and being baptized (because of our belief) save us? Jn 10.9 “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved” Does entering a door save us? Acts 11.14 “words by which you and all your household will be saved” Do words save us? Acts 16.31 “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” Does belief save us? Rom 9.27 “The remnant will be saved” Does being a part of "the remnant" save us? Rom 10.9 “if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Does confession save us? Rom 11.26 “And so all Israel will be saved” Does being an Israelite save us? 1 Cor 3.15 “If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved” If my work is burned am I saved? 1 Ti 2.15 “Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing” Does childbearing save us? Now you have to admit that some of these examples are preposterous. The question is which ones are and which ones are not? Does God have to mention everything necessary for salvation in every passage that deals with salvation? No, because his creation man was given the intelligence to put it all together to arrive at the one truth. |
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5 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66574 | ||
Hi, Teacher, Yes, you did come up with some preposterous examples. But you avoided responding to the ones I provided which deal specifically with salvation apart from baptism. The passage in Acts was Acts 16:29-31. As I said in the original post, it answers the question "what must I do to be saved?": "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved". End of answer. Baptism is not part of the answer; it is part of the jailer's response to the answer. But I have another problem which I mentioned in another post. Is there any example anywhere in the Bible of someone baptizing himself or herself? No; not even Jesus baptized himself. Baptism requires the participation of another person. If baptism is a prerequisite for salvation then God is unwilling or unable to save without human assistance. This is clearly contrary to the whole of Scripture. Please respond to this point. And please comment on the passage in Joel 2, the thief on the cross, and Peter's quoting of Joel 2 at Pentecost. Joel said "all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved". No mention of baptism. The thief called on the name of Lord and was saved. No baptism. If Joel's words - confirmed by the thief's experience - were not applicable, why did Peter quote them in his speech? Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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6 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | Teacher | 66626 | ||
You fail to realize that baptism and its purpose is part of what must be believed in. Can we just take one passage of scripture and conclude that it contains all the truth? NO! We must look at all passages of scripture that deal with a certain subject, examine the context of these passages, and come to a conclusion. All of the issues you want me to comment on have been dealt with at length, as some of the seasoned members of the forum will attest to. You may decide to believe what you want. I would hope that you would study further ALL scripture dealing with whatever issue you have questions on before arriving at a conclusion. |
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7 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66631 | ||
Hi, Teacher; I had hoped you might see that I have indeed spent considerable time studying this and discussing it with others. I thought you might have new insight on the issues I raised. Thanks just the same. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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8 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | Teacher | 66632 | ||
The truth is still the truth, Indiana. It never changes. If you feel you have arrived at the truth then nothing more needs to be said. Would you agree? | ||||||
9 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66633 | ||
I hope I never feel that I have mastered God and his Truth. | ||||||
10 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | charis | 66637 | ||
Dear Indy, Greetings in Jesus' name! Just to let you know that I see that you did a balanced research, and asked some pertinent questions. The only One able to consider ALL Scripture is God. But you did a commendable job, for a 'mere' Christian! :-) (apologies to C.S. Lewis) Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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11 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66643 | ||
Greetings, friend charis; Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. As for being a '"mere" Chrisitan', that's about as high an earthly title as I could aspire to. Don't stay up too late. ;-) Peace and grace, Indy |
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